Martin Luther King, Jr. and Mohandas Gandhi might have a few words to say about a peaceful intifada.

That groups like Hamas will not allow it does not void the concept entirely. Indeed, the problem is that Hamas wants-- and is getting it-- both ways: violence *and* sympathy.

I suppose one could make the case that the San Francisco pro-tyranny protesters were taking part in an unarmed intifada. After all, they're both anti-Semitic, their activities are designed to get attention, and they have no answer for logical criticism.

Yes, I live in San Francisco.
It is a town of and for liberals, of which I am anything but.
This is the only place I know of where a city employee's benefits, should he/ she be dissatisfied with the gender God provided, include a soup to nuts(no pun intended) sex change financed by the taxpayers.
And yes, the antiwar protests were carried out unarmed, but those peace loving, human rights sensitive, antiviolence advocating liberal protesters were sure peaceful and nonviolent as they threw newspaper vending machines into the middle of streets, broke a lot of expensive shop windows and sat down en masse in major intersections, preventing not only buses and streetcars from getting people to work on time, but also preventing ambulances and other emergency vehicles from arriving at their destinations in order to save the lives of other human beings.
Unarmed intifada, indeed!

"I suppose one could make the case that the San Francisco pro-tyranny protesters were taking part in an unarmed intifada."

Nope -- they were armed. Remember the Molotov cocktails that were found?

Dear A reade wrote;
Martin Luther King, Jr. and Mohandas Gandhi might have a few words to say about a peaceful intifada.

Man, how I wish that that were true! That would be just great, if the Palestinians could learn those lessons. Trouble is; and I really, really mean this, they were infidels. No really, they were totally and distinctly non muslim. They were not the umma at all.

One christian and one hindu, just marvelous. Sorry, the best idea since sliced bread cannot even get off the ground. the next difference is that they both had cuontries that were rooted in the greek and roman system, and westernized. So no dice there. See, Sharia law is Muslim. It has to be sharia in order for the system to work. They had to have laws to break in order for them to work. Tha Pals do not recognize Isreals right to be there.

They do have a point about a former colonial power... maybe not having the right to set things up in perpetuity and there on, it was pure hell for all sides and now its the worlds problem.

For them the problem is simple, it has to be from the koran or they won't believe it. I bet you could frost alot of them before they decided it would be sharia.

I missed that about the Molotov cocktails. Ah well.

How exactly does being opposed to war make one an anti-semite?

I also take offense to the suggestion that Islam is inherently violent and that the reason there are no MLKs or Gandhis in the Middle East is that they are Muslims.

You're absolutely right, Eve. The Middle East is probably full of MLK's and Gandhis. In fact, I'm sure that among the 200 dead kids found to have been buried alive by Saddam, there were a whole slew of MLKs and Gandhis.

I figure that if we keep digging, we'll find more of them, filling out the landscape. And when we run out of spots to dig, the radical imams will be more than happy to fill the Middle East once again with the children of moderates and liberals in their sects.

Eve: Ghandi once said that he was a hindi, and that he was also a muslim. As for anti-semite? hell that word is thrown around almost by reflex against anybody who disagrees with thier position, and the more its used the less effective it is becoming. Of course from what ive read Ghandi was also a sexist asshole, but hey he did lead a successfull nonviolent movement to oust brittain.

Eve: Apparently you missed some of the more virulent placards at the various anti-war demonstrations in February and early March. Hook-nosed Jews hanging from nooses; George W. Bush drawn with distinctly Jewish features; the Star of David invoked constantly. It hasn't really gone away; it's just shifting its venue, as seen in this cartoon.

The mere existence of the state of Israel is anathema to these people, both the Islamic intifad-ites and the nasty left-liberal wing in Europe and the USA. It's their dirty little secret. They want to punish Israel for defending itself against those who want to destroy them, and thus we get the propeganda about Rachel Corrie and her ilk (click here for the reality of what happened).

The point is still the same, Muslims think it's their muhammedian right to kill all jews from the mid east.

I won't say god, or "allah" given right, even though Allah is nothing like god.

Eve, If you don't understand the mindset of those bloodloving Arabs, maybe you should take a Islam course, start here
www.faithfreedom.org

Now, be anti war, but first, we must kick ass of those who want war. Some, like muslims don't understand what "peace" means untill you bash it into their heads with a heavy lead stick

The M. cocktails were found in an alley near where I work- 11th Street near Howard.

Those of you who have been to Paradise Lounge will know where this is.

I passed a cop that day and kept saying "hi" to him to be a nice guy; later I found out why he was in such a bad mood.. he was guarding the scene of the finding.

As far as SF goes, its not all Liberals. There's a guy that hangs out at a coffee show from 1-2pm that we call the Mad Hungarian because he like to pick arguments (actually debates) and takes the Savage Nation viewpoint. He used to teach English to some Kurds from Iraq until the freaked him out one day when he missed work. Its was then that he moved to the US and became a seething conservative.

Chewtoy, I don't understand what you meant by " I bet you could frost alot of them before they decided it would be sharia."

Actually could not make up my mind which adjective I wanted to use...

wax, grease, liquidate, terminate with extreme prejudice, eliminate, shred, annihilate,go through them like crap through a goose...

Take your pick, whichever one seems colorful enough or bland if you like. Thats the great thing about words, they have diferent meanings.

What matters is which interpretation, WE WHO SUFFER AND DIE BECAUSE OF IT would like in order for them to stop being murdering assho@#$.

Historically all of these great books have been rewritten and interpreted. The muslims are free to an extent to interpret the Koran as they see fit. Beyond a degree of training in religious principles, one has to be recognized as an Imman from the umma, then is free to interpret the koran for themselves. For instance, what does 72 virgins mean. What does jihad mean. Same character to the christian bible. In fact there has been a large decentralization movement within the christian community as a result of changing conditions here in America which interprets the original intention of the bible formally through the church's hierarchy, and also informally through leaders like David Koresh, who was busy writting the 'Seventh Seal' before the fires started.

There seems to be a point to all of the religions of the world that; based on interpretation, some things God tells them to do are very bad for civilization. Religion can be a great salve or bring incredible destruction. The difference is in the interpretation.

Bubba;
I have been reading some of the articles in the website you recommended(faithfreedom.org) since you mentioned it in another post.
First thing that came to mind:
Christians having a religious debate, holding bibles.
Jews having a religious debate, holding prints of the Talmud.
Muslims having a religious debate, holding baseball bats.

Hey everyone,

Dubya said that Islam is a religion of peace. Didn't the "arab street" get that message? Methinks GWB might have been misled, or was just trying to be politically correct. Had he called a spade a shovel, just think of the indignant crap that he would have had to spade out from under.

Never mind that the linked article doesn't contain the quote attributed to it (referring instead to "armed struggle"), for Abbas probably did use the word intifada. Because it means struggle--more literally, "rising up and shaking off." That, and "struggle," can be done without violence... it could as easily refer to political campaining. In fact, the intifada-- before it become a violent protest-- was much like that, along with attempts to self-educate.

Does anyone care to find out what a word actually means before pointing out a logical inconsistency depending on its meaning? Does anyone care what they're talking about? Why bother with the pretext?

Anyway, "the Palestinians" didn't announce a freaking thing; ONE of them did.

"They [the San Francisco protestors] were armed" because cocktails "were found."

"The Palestinians" want to eliminate the Jewish state. What, they have a hive mind?

Sheesh.

And: "be anti war, but first, we must kick ass of those who want war." Ah-- you must be that barber who shaves every man in town who doesn't shave himself.

My understanding is that Allah and God are in fact one in the same. Al lah meaning "the God", the God of Abraham, same God as the Christians, and the Jews. The only problem I can see is the birthright , and therefore the covanent, of Abraham was passed to Isaac and not Ishmael. Mohammed being a descendent of Ishmeal. With that in mind, WTF *is* an infidel?

Hey Al D., the term "uprising" also doesn't denote weapons, but how many people would think of "unarmed uprising" as being an oxymoron?

Al D,

Theoretically, an intifada could be conducted without violence. In practice - hasn't happened. I don't know what sources you're using to say that the intifada was peaceful; the first intifada started with rock throwing and escalated from there. The second intifada dispensed with the rock throwing, except when it made good press shoots, and just cut straight to the Jew-killing.

One palestinian may have announced something - but he is the appointed PM of the "sole representative of the palestinian people" and of "their aspirations". You also might be helped by noting that the Pew Global Attitudes survey showed that 80% of palestinians believe that the existence of Israel is not reconcilable with palestinian aspirations. This is similar to number shown throughout the past three years by the JMCC and the IMRA, both of which have conducted frequent polls of palestinians.