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May 16, 2003
Jesse Jackson Weighs In On Race & The Marine Withdrawal

During a recent speech at Stanford University's Dinkelspiel Auditorium, Jesse Jackson commented on the withdrawal of US Marines from Iraq. This from the Stanford University's Standord Review:

Mr. Jackson spent a large portion of his speech emphasizing the existence of a racial divide in the United States. He demanded that the audience look closely at the military, which is 35% black and 15% Latino. He argued that the withdrawal from Iraq of the Marines, who have a higher white percentage, suggests racism on the part of this nation's military commanders, as the Army, which has a higher percentage of blacks than the Marines, would have remain in Iraq.
Hat tip to Krempasky.

Posted By Newshound at May 16, 2003 04:52 PM | TrackBack
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I don't need any more to make my choice, ballot box or otherwise. GO JESSE! Yeah....... Sure to win over the hearts and minds of everyone in the Rainbow Coalition. Wait 'til the sun shines and all the clouds and rain go away. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Posted by: Dave Dube at May 16, 2003 05:13 PM

What is it with the left and the military? Is it the fact, perhaps, that the military is the closest thing we have to a pure meritocracy? This ia bad stuff, Jesse, you should apologize to the U.S. military.

Posted by: Buddy at May 16, 2003 05:17 PM

Marines are usually first in/first out, the Army traditionally "occupies".

My son (Sargeant with 3/1/1 Inda) was to be on a 37-day mission originally. He's still there, Reverend. Tne Marines are pure combat troops, not police/peacemakers.

I suppose now Jackson wants a fistful of dollars from the USMC fo their racial transgressions.

What an idiot.

Posted by: texdriver at May 16, 2003 05:58 PM

I think Jesse Jackson should retire, and give way to the younger generation.

Posted by: Lola Lee at May 16, 2003 06:44 PM

His outrageous statements included the claim that the US is pulling the Marines ( amphibious expeditionary force ) out of Iraq before the Army ground troops ( consistent with their historical roles ) because a higher percentage of Marines are white...

Considering that the Military is one of the leaders in integration and equal opportunity, and has been for decades, this is a lie on many levels.

He claims the military is 35% black and 15% Latino which proves? "US builds itself up on the backs of 'the black, the brown, and the poor.'"

In actuality the percentage of blacks is 26%, highest in the Army over the other armed forces but blacks prefer support jobs and make up a representative proportion of the front line combat troops. As Latino's, that newly defined 'victim' group, make up 15% of the US population he doesn't seem to have a point.

He claims in South Carolina 30% of the population is black but 80% of the inmates are black. He claims in Illinois it's 13% and 65%.

This ignores the well documented issue that people commit crimes against their own race 85-90% of the time. If you don't incarcerate blacks for crimes then you don't equally protect the black victims of those crimes. This 'Catch-22' of race-baiting is a leftie favorite when the real correlation is that poverty leads to higher crime rates and that blacks are frequently lack educational opportunity and very frequently struggle in single parent households.

So why are you against school choice vouchers Jesse? Why don't you be a 'Reverend' ( as if ) and counsel your community to build stronger families?

He claims the USA has 5% of the population but 25% of the world's incarcerated.

I don't even know where to start on this lie. Oh yeah... Bullshit. Immigrate to the Cuba you so adore you P.O.S. or North Korea or China or [ insert 3rd world shit-hole here]

He implies that all white people are racist with the back handed remark: "'Lest you think all white people are prejudiced,' said Mr. Jackson, we only need to look at George Halliday, who videotaped the Rodney King beating."

We really have to watch this guy...

Posted by: DANEgerus at May 16, 2003 07:40 PM

Let him blather. The more he does, the more he shows the world what the reverse racist quota people truly stand for.

Posted by: gus3 at May 16, 2003 09:52 PM

DANE, ol Jess has been doing this for decades, this is nothing new, just do what the rest of us do when he starts getting long winded, ignore him. If it werent for the fact that hes been around for damn near forever and made a couple really crappy presidential bids then nobody would even print his drivel any more. Let him blerb, just nod and roll your eyes and go about your normal day to day routine, wait til the next big conflict when he'll drop another load.

Posted by: Ronin at May 17, 2003 12:18 AM

Actually, I have to give Jackson credit for making me who I am. It was he who opened my eyes to what liberalism in the USA is all about: quotas, preferences, and punishing success. Without Mr. Jackson, I might still be a fence-sitting liberal.

Posted by: gus3 at May 17, 2003 01:27 AM

If you want a good chuckle, listen to the song "In God & Alan Greenspan we trust" by Tim Wilson. There is a nice dig in there at Jesse. What an a$$bag he is. Oh, and throw Al Sharpton in with him and others, you'll have yourself a nice race-bait stew.

What burns my grits is when someone refers to these maggots as "Reverend". They need to read the definition of the word. These parasites are by no means to be revered. Where is their church? What do they actually do to earn their money?

You guys are right, best to ignore them. Let the fawning leftist press try to make these weasels feel important by giving them ink, and watch readership go in the tank.

Posted by: Elvis at May 17, 2003 02:02 AM

Elvis, in answer to the money question, some (maybe most) of it comes from sweeping into corporate HQs around the country, and letting mngmnt know that they could have some serious race problems in their work force--or even among their customers-- unless they hire ole Jesse as a "race relations consultant." Some people call this "extortion", but they don't call it that in the Rainbow Coalition, they call it "public relations" instead. But only the minorities can reject him, if caucasions puff up, it is just more racism at work. Thank goodness his constituents are catching on, these days. There's hope, yet!

Posted by: Buddy at May 17, 2003 07:36 AM

I would highly recommend everyone read "Shakedown" byKenneth R. Timmerman. A well documented expose on Jackson that, as on the books jackets, tells:

1. How Jackosn exploited (lied) about the King assasination.

2. Jackson's unreported affiliation with a notorious Chicago gang.

3. Jackson's policital education at the foot of Communists

4. How Jackson made himself a Reverend.

5. The self perpetuated myth of how he grew up poor and a victim of racism

6. How he raids corporate America in the name of the poor, only to pocket millions.

7. His sex shenanigans that enabled him to become the "minister" for Bill Clinton.

8. Corrupt Africa diplomacy and unofficial business with dictators.

9. The story about the CEO who stood up and won.

The only think more shocking to me is how the media preesents this guy as the spokesman for blacks. It is appalling.

Posted by: Dog at May 17, 2003 10:00 AM

What was with that "Hymietown" remark he made about New York City, where did that come from, after generations of NYC Jewish support for civil rights legislation?

Posted by: Buddy at May 17, 2003 10:53 AM

P.S. And that's a helluva thing, to sell your entire justification for generally attacking American ideals as because you have seen through them to some dark racist undercurrent. And then blithely tickle your audience with...racism. Wow. Talk about playing us for fools....

Posted by: Buddy at May 17, 2003 11:03 AM

The most damning thing I have ever heard about Jesse Jackson came from a black man. I remarked that Jackson, and Sharpton, were two of the most blatantly racist people I had ever heard, and he replied," Oh, don't pay him no mind. Reverend Jesse is a professional nigger."

When I, rather stunned, asked him what that meant, he replied that it was someone whose job was being black, and resenting it, and making all white folks pay for it.

Posted by: Jrm at May 17, 2003 12:33 PM

Right, for someone who hates racism, he sure does work hard to make sure there's plenty of it.

Posted by: Buddy at May 17, 2003 01:02 PM

Actually, ol' Jesse is actually saying that white people are better than blacks at going to war. He's rightly pointed out that a disproportionate majority of white people are in Americas elite fighting unit.

Well, let me say I agree. White people ARE better at war than Africans or Caribbeans. When white people go to war, we do it right, not like Africans who can't organise a piss-up in a brewery.

For example, the black Africans of Sierra Leone fought their 'war' by hacking off the arms and limbs of civilians. This, they considered, was preferable to risking their own life in combat, and allowed them to rule through terror. If Jesse Jackson wants us all to fight like black men and hack the limbs off of Iraqis, then I'm afraid us white boys aren't going to do it.

White men have studied and perfected the art of war over years of scientific endeavour (as I understand it, the Enlightenment era never touched Africa). We don't enjoy fighting, and rarely use force (unlike African nations that perpetually seem to be involved in some bloodshed or another), but when we do its quick, clean and effective - with the minimum injuries to civilians. That's the white way.

Now that's not to say that black people can't fight as part of the marines and not do an excellent job. Of course they can - but only as long as they obey white mans rules of engagement. Ie. no hacking of limbs, no deliberate injuring of civilians etc.

Maybe Jesse should spend a spell in Sierra Leone trying to find recruits for an army from there. A little dose of reality might make him wake up and smell the coffee.

Posted by: Daniel Polwarth at May 17, 2003 02:55 PM

Resist all temptation to feed the troll kids, dont feed the troll, it must be starving to type up that much drivel at once, let it starve to death as it is natures way. Nothing to see here, please move along.

Posted by: Ronin at May 17, 2003 03:47 PM

Sorry, Ronin, but I have to tell him that he sounds like...Jesse Jackson. With reversed hue adjectives, of course. really, Daniel, stop thinking like that, it is bad for you, and bad for everyone. Attack Jackson on moral lines, sure, but lets try to forget all this color stuff otherwise. If possible. Jesse is a turd, but not because he's black.

Posted by: Buddy at May 17, 2003 05:53 PM

This is to Buddy.
Never in my life have I seen an argument so weak and pointless than the one you have mindlessly typed up. Pretty much everything you said is a redneck-ass uneducated assumption of what you think the "art of the white man's war" is all about. Dumbass.

Posted by: jordie at May 17, 2003 06:04 PM

MY BAD, THE ABOVE IS TO THAT Daniel Polwarth PRICK

Posted by: Jordie at May 17, 2003 06:06 PM

I hope Al notsoSharpton either a) creates his own splinter party, thereby drawing votes away from the democrats, or b) gets nominated and loses abysmally.

PS: Daniel Polwarth, go take a long walk off a short pier.

Posted by: Ken Stein at May 17, 2003 06:28 PM

Heh heh heh.

Okay, I admit my post was a little hot tempered and irrational, but slow down a minute. Was I really that far off the truth? Just hear me out with an open mind. I guarantee I'll listen to your arguments afterwards - and who knows, you may just persuade me!

Remember, I was not the person who brought race into this, Jesse Jackson was, I'm just simply following his argument through to its logical conclusion ie. if the majority of the marines in the US army are white, and the US army is based on meritocracy, then therefore white people merit being in the elite services greater than black people.

Now, if you don't agree with the above proposition, it can only be for one reason: that is, the US marine corps is not a meritocracy and is institutionally racist, deliberately keeping black people out of elite service. In which case, Jesse Jackson was right and all you whiners should shut up.

On the other hand, if the US marine corps is a meritocracy, then those white boys are there because they deserve to be, and those black boys aren't there because they don't deserve to be. In which case, Jesse Jackson is wrong and I am right in saying that white people make the best elite troops.

Looking at the two arguments, they can't both be wrong, and they can't both be right. Either you agree with me, or you agree with Jesse. And as for being a redneck, I'm not - I come from London (in England), and I have a degree in Philosophy. You can accuse me of a lot of things, but you can't accuse me of being stupid. You certainly can't accuse me of being politically correct either ;)

Also, let me take my wider case a little further. Some races and peoples have a propensity to be good fighters - in the UK, we have a regiment made up of Nepalese Ghurka soldiers purely because in past campaigns we found them to be tough fighters. They are brought up in tough conditions, have a good attitude, and are tenacious in battle. The British have a whole regiment of them because they are superb fighters - and this is a real fact proven in battle, not some politically correct statement. This would suggest that some races of the world make excellent, disciplined fighters if trained in the right environment, even though they come from a third world country.

Compare that to Africa. What I told you about Sierra Leone was absolutely true. They fight wars by attacking civilians, because its easier and safer to kill civilians than it is to fight an armed opponent. This is the black African way of fighting. No amount of politically correct bullshit is going to change that. Unlike the disciplined and effective Ghurkhas, Africans are tribal and cowardly. Both are racial ethnic groups, none are white, and so there is no prejudice here on my part: I would rather fight alongside a Ghurkha than an African. Incidentally, there are no African regiments in the British Army, so they seem to have the same opinion too.

And who are the masters of war? The white Europeans, of course, along with some South East Asians. Von Klauschwitz was not a black man. Sun Tzu was not a black man. I doubt if Jesse Jackson was familiar with either of those, despite his pontificating about warfare.

The white european race and south east asians gave the world artillery, gunpowder, metalworking to craft swords and armour, the battleship, the tank, and numerous other inventions of warfare. By contrast, in Africa warriors cut the genitals off of infants and eat them with their blood in muti voodoo practices in order to give them strength (this is the African equivalent of high-technology.) Now, a politically correct person would call that a valid cultural tradition, I personally would call it paganism.

Remember that America is basically an Anglo Saxon country. Its ruled by white men. The army's rules are white mens rules. Did you know that the American navy was based on the British navy? Did you know the American army borrowed much from the British and German armies of WWII? Basically, the white anglo-saxon culture has been integrated into most of American life, which is why black americans are not inclined to chop the limbs off of infants on the battlefield. But lets face it, if the US army was based on African armies rather than British and German ones, they probably would be doing just that.

Now, I know my ideas are radical. I know that none of you are going to accept them openly. But deep inside, you know I've made a pretty good point. Behind all the happy bullshit you've been taught at school about everyone being equal, you know its not true. You know that on the Battlefield, you would fear the pipes and drums of the British army a damned site more than the bongos of Swaziland. Why? Because the blood of the Irish, the English, the Scots and the Welsh was forged in battle with each other, and then went on to conquer a globe. The days of Empire may be over, but the fighting mans blood still runs strong.

Now, does this make me a racist? No doubt some of you will think so. But like I said, I didn't bring race into this, Jesse did. I'm just pointing out that traditionally, the best armies of the world have not originated from Africa, therefore its only reasonable to expect fewer African-Americans in the elite corps. If, on the other hand, there were more Ghurkhas in America, you would be on to a winner ... ;)

Posted by: Daniel Polwarth at May 17, 2003 07:09 PM

Confession time, folks! Here it is: I'm just full of shit and wanted to play devils advocate. Looking back at what I've written, it doesn't really represent what I wanted to say.

Certainly any African Americans who took part in the coalition should feel proud of themselves and their country. You did well guys.

Ignore me. I'm just ticked off by Jesse Jackson and wanted to pick a fight for the sake of it. I couldn't even convince mysel, let alone anyone else ... ;)

Posted by: Daniel Polwarth at May 17, 2003 09:31 PM

Thu jokes on YEW, Dan'l, we'z awl KKK hyar, an we wuz testin' yew to see if'n yew wuz WITE enuff fer us. Yew ALMOS' made it, 'ceptin' fer yer las' post. Now we 'uns is gonna haf ta KICK yore ASS, boy!

Posted by: Buddy at May 17, 2003 09:38 PM

The funny thing is, membership in both the Marines and the Army is voluntary. When all is said and done, racial mix is the choice of the troops.

And of course, the Marines are shock troops, and the Army, outnumbering them about fifteen to one (I think that's the current ratio) have more diverse training, capabilities, and duties.

Posted by: Jrm at May 18, 2003 08:22 AM

"if the majority of the marines in the US army are white,"

FYI, the Marines are NOT part of the Army. I just want to inform you of this important fact before a Marine reads it and bawls your head off over it.

"And who are the masters of war? The white Europeans, of course, along with some South East Asians. Von Klauschwitz was not a black man. Sun Tzu was not a black man. I doubt if Jesse Jackson was familiar with either of those, despite his pontificating about warfare."

FYI, the region "Southeast Asia" excludes China, Japan, and Korea. Sun Tzu was from China, ergo he was not from Southeast Asia. Further, it was China and Japan that mastered the art of the war on the Asian side of the world, not Southeast Asia (with the exception of Ho Chi Minh, who mastered the gorilla and PR aspects of war).

Otherwise, interesting theory. However, I think it is flawed in that you are comparing tribal Africans to American citizens of African descent. There is a world of difference there. That's like saying every Italian is a mobster. Further, African-Americans are dominant in sports in America. The US military prizes physical ability above all other criteria (for example, the Marines' Physical Fitness Test serves a similar purpose that the SAT does for colleges), so there is no reason that African-Americans should not be dominant, or at least equally represented, in the Marines as well.

Perhaps the Army does a better job of recruiting minorities? The Army is a much larger service than the Marines and has much more resources for recruiting, from more recruiting offices nationwide to offering "signing bonuses" of up to $20,000 to new recruits. I can only speculate uneducately on the reasons, though.

Posted by: Byron at May 18, 2003 10:37 AM

What Daniel was after is well covered by the currently very popular military historian/classicist Victor Davis Hanson, who posits that it is a Western way of war-fighting--a combination of the relationship of the soldier (Greek Hopelite or U.S. Marine) to his political culture, that makes Western armies so lethal. Hanson has a lot of his ideas posted, in short articles, on the National Review site, in the archives under his name. He sort of caught fire on 9/11/01 and between then and now has put out several dozen of the clearest, densest, easiest to understand, info-heavy essays you'll ever read on the nexus of politics, war, religion, culture, human activity, and morality, from Hellenism to present. Esp. apt now are his recounts of the Greek vs Persian wars. For insight into the current conflict. Read first (my opinion) "The Ring" from around Memorial day a year ago, I believe. Read it, and you'll never be the same again.

Posted by: Buddy at May 18, 2003 11:08 AM

www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson.asp

Posted by: Buddy at May 18, 2003 01:20 PM

One thing I've read, is that the reason that the elite units are disproportionally white is because most blacks who join are joining for the technical, relatively safer jobs--support roles--the ones that train you for a job in the civilian world.

Posted by: Gabriel Hanna at May 18, 2003 09:58 PM

Gab, I've read the same thing several times. And in the long run, that is going to be a very good thing. Many blacks find it difficult to finance training needed to qualify for the higher paying jobs. People with better paying jobs commit fewer violent crimes and generally are better citizens.

Posted by: RetAF at May 18, 2003 11:14 PM


I remember cutting school for a Jerry Browne rally
during the primaries for the 92 Presidential election. I took a trip down to Washington Square Park to watch the circus.
A few days earlier Jerry named Jesse as a potential running mate (essentially killing some momentum he'd built up).
He still had a good crowd on hand. Browne struts to the podium and does the usual. Jesse is sitting on the stage. A guy a few feet to my left (literally, not politically) pulls out a sign that says "Welcome to Hymietown"
It was classic. It still makes me laugh.

Posted by: John at May 22, 2003 03:25 AM

lets get real, this jackson fellow has never worked an honest day in his life. He is a dumb asz with a big mouth, a hypocritical idiot lacking any moral foundations whatsoever. Why even try to respond to his lunacy

Posted by: mark at May 22, 2003 06:55 AM

lets get real, this jackson fellow has never worked an honest day in his life. He is a dumb asz with a big mouth, a hypocritical idiot lacking any moral foundations whatsoever. Why even try to respond to his lunacy

Posted by: mark at May 22, 2003 06:55 AM
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