"The bile and vitriol being spewed at liberals on a daily basis is enough to make anyone want to barf it right back."

Thanks for saying that, I've been losing my mind as it has seemed I was the only person in this country who noticed.
The entire pupose of my past few post has been to give the right a taste of their own medicine, but I'm going to stop now, I'll let it go.

Well, maybe I write one more lash out, THEN I'll let it go.

The left has been shit-talking for years about how they are going to make Bush pay and how this election was going to kick him out of office.

It was you lefties who piled up the shit-talk. Now we winners get to rub your noses in it.

Bad dog, bad!

:)

Thank you for a sane and gracious piece. I was beginning to think that the entire Republican party had the maturity level of Penosity.

Good Lord, rdelephant, can't you recognize sarcasm-in-kind when you see it?

I honestly can’t decide which is more amusing to watch, the Liberals hyperventilating over the polling results which elevated moral issues as the majority issue for those who voted for GW or watching the Media trying to understand why their exit polls got it all wrong. Well, duh… the exit polls WERE wrong and those same exit polls identified moral issues as the majority issue. Makes sense to me that the only certainty is those that were polled selected moral values .. and the polls WERE WRONG!

Moral values was an undefined category and everybody on the left and in the media is assuming that those that responded to that category MUST be talking about ABORTION and GAY MARRIAGE.

Wrong!

That category is much wider. But I’ll not define it for you. I would rather watch you struggle to figure it out and hope that by 2008 you are still as confused as you are right now.

But check this out.

Every poll leading up to the election said that those who supported GW listed TERRORISM and IRAQ, actually those that supported GW … DON’T separate the GWOT from the War in Iraq. The MEDIA made that distinction. So if you add those categories in the exit polls together, you will see that NATIONAL SECURITY which includes the GWOT and IRAQ was the number one priority.

But I have to admit, I have really enjoyed watching you Libs falls all over yourselves trying to figure out why you didn’t see this coming. And the only answer I can find for you it that at some point you went from being a Kool Aid drinker to a Kool Aid franchiser.

See, my point is to get people on "the left" to stop generalizing and attacking individuals on "the right" with broad labels like homophobe and moron and zealot. But it's hard when every time we try to make a point, we're dumped in with "all liberals do this" and "you lefties believe that." I agree with you that the main reason Bush lost wasn't due to a fundamentalist groundswell (though there definitely was that element involved and part of the strategy, according to Rove himself), but why do you have to be so mean about it? You won! Why are you so angry?

We're not angry. We're laughing.

At least I am.

I'm not angry.

I'm bemused, jovial, ecstatic, overjoyed, thrilled, delighted and pleased.

We Republicans really don’t have time for angry.

Anger is a Leftists trait.

Solonor -

I can nit pick some of your statements but over all I have to agree with you. I read your note more as an open letter to your compatriots. With a couple of changes in positions, the same should be said to MY compatriots. Let's all just stop with the nastiness. Let's all just agree that both sides have stepped over the line at times, eat alittle crow, and get on with things.

Yeah, it's easy for me to say this because my guy won but still...the level of tension in the electorate is reaching dangerous levels and we should all make a conscious effort to step back. We can gloat in private...we can brood in private...throwing the gloating and brooding in the oppositions face accomplishes NOTHING now. Take that energy and put it toward your support or opposition to the issues at hand and stop fighting the election...it's over.

Sure, we lost in part because the Republicans got out the vote of their evangelical crowd, but mostly we lost because John Kerry sucked as a candidate. He was handed the election on a silver platter and managed to louse it up. That’s just the way it is. If he had had a clearer message and half of Bill Clinton’s personality, he would have wiped the floor with George Bush.

I'm almost loathe to correct you, Solonor; because that utter lack of introspection is going to mean the Republicans get a filibuster proof majority in the Senate in 2006.

Carry on.

If he had had a clearer message and half of Bill Clinton’s personality, he would have wiped the floor with George Bush.

Hehehehe

I agree with Darleen .. carry on!

And my thanks to Billy for limbing out of his sick bed to energize the Republican Base.

Solonor said:
"why do you have to be so mean about it? "

Not me. I'm pleased and content. We have a decisive, principle-based President who's got his Whitehouse pass renewed. But why do people have to flip-off my wife and children, spit at them and scream/yell at them when they drive a car with a Bush sticker on board? Who's being mean? Maybe those angry people don't represent the broad-brush liberal, but the rule of thumb is that it takes 10 Kerry supporter kind acts to counter balance 1 Kerry supporter bad act. Since my wife and kids have had about 10 vile attacks, they are waiting for the 100 kind acts.

I've had the luck of not being subjected to that vile behavior, as I've been in Malaysia since just before the election. The people here in Sarawak (Borneo) are alright (generally indifferent) with Bush. It's the Europeans I meet here that are nearly as animated as the Kerry supporters. One Dutch guy thought it odd that I voted for Bush because I was an "Intellectual" (in his words), implying smart people wouldn't (or the reciprical, dumb people vote for Bush). I explained that the smart people for the most part did vote for Bush, as evidenced by the recent Gallup polling summary. It was the uneducated that more greatly voted for Kerry and Bush gained ground (up 4% from 2000) in the post-graduate group.

So, I'm not angry because I don't have a reason to be. I got what I want. Now it's time for the occasional liberal to cool their jets so my wife and children are not fearful to go out and about.

Wayne and Max, that is EXACTLY what I mean! I'm sorry if I stumbled in the way I presented it.

Everyone needs to back off and look after their own attitudes. There is no reason to be abusive to someone either because you disagree with them or THINK you disagree with them because you've decided to put them in a philosophical box in your own head ("Ooh, she has a Bush bumpersticker. I have the right to HATE HER."). That's just childish.

Darleen and TexasGal, we shall see. I don't buy that the Democrats have to somehow move away from their core values and become Republicans to win, as some are suggesting. I just think we had a sucky candidate this time. I may be wrong, but that's life. I'll get over it.

"I just think we had a sucky candidate this time. I may be wrong, but that’s life."

Solonor, you are right, but it's not LIFE, it's STRATEGY. I still hold to the theory that from the D party perspective, Kerry was SUPPOSED to lose, while yet keeping the troops energized. Why? Because the "heavy hitters" were missing, Kerry has lots of baggage and Hillary does NOT want a D incumbent. If anything, Kerry got too close to actually pulling it off. I believe the strategy was to hold the D interest and go for H for 8 starting in 2008. Mark my words (unless I'm wrong in 3 years, then forget what I said [wink]).

Well, as a Bush voter I can tell you that a certain amount of anger DID get him my vote, and I am not relgious in the least. I have been angry with the left here in the US and around the world for a long time now: Angry that my tax dollars are used for taking away countless personal freedoms. Angry that my daughter has been subjected to an expensive, ineffective, bureaucratic education system crammed with multi-degreed leftist eggheads who build their salaries and resumes by forcing the “fair learning theory of the week” down our throats, while teaching out kids next to nothing, except maybe revisionist history. Angry that business after business has been chased out, by the high cost of environmental and labor legislation, not to mention the high cost of organized labor unions who have priced themselves out of the world markets, all the while blaming Bush for “outsourcing”, lol. Angry that the liberal left looks to Europe and Canada as the utopian political model, and seeks to take us there, not understanding that high taxes and liberal policy in those countries has taken away individual opportunity to start/grow small business, created dependency on big business, and conditioned citizens to be pacified with social programs rather than personal responsibility, (among other equally backwards and unsustainable ideas). Angry that the liberal left takes it’s freedoms, opportunities and safety for granted, even though many of our grandfathers fought and died to insure it. Angry that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton keep the black minority down artificially, (like Arafat has done with Palestine), by preaching about past injustices and racial quotas rather than legitimate equal opportunity, all the while blaming those who support equal opportunity over enforced handouts. (Meanwhile the hispanic minority (who is more and more voting Republican, makes great new strides in home ownerships and new business startups.) Angry that whack-job, idle-rich Islamic extremeists can declare war on us and kill 3500 of our citizens, yet the liberal left says “well, lets look at the underlying problems in the middle east…maybe it’s our fault”, and believes peace is the natural state of the human experience. Angry that the liberal mainstream media panders to all that is on the left, manufactures its own version of the present and future, and in general has more power to do harm than anyone else on earth.

So yes, I was, and remain angry. Yes, I voted on morality issues, if that is what we can call the above. Don’t think for a second that they were “religious” morality issues for me; I could really care less about gay marriage or anything else of the sort. I don’t actually know anyone who does. The Dems/libs made the mistake of listening to their own media, who convinced them that all Republicans and Bush are religious fundamentalists, when really many of us are something else altogether: Just Americans who like the idea on which the country was founded, and are not anxious to get in step with Europe, the UN, or anyone else who does not share that simple conviction.

Very well said Alliturken.

Solonor

When T. Van Gogh was assassinated, what did the Dutch government do? Vigorously pursue any and all perps? Make unequivocal statements that such terrorism wouldn't stand? Reassure the populace that their safety and rights would be protected? Bring pressure to bear on the moslem community to cooperate?

Nah... they stuck to their Leftist absolutist principles of "the West is at fault" "multiculturalism" "must never offend the down-trodden" and immediately stifled Dutch freedom of speech least they criticize the all knowing all good Leftist credos.

Such is the "core" beliefs of Leftsts who have dominated the Dem party for sometime.

And you wonder why 59 mil people shrugged and voted the other way?

When you're message is rejected, don't think it is because you didn't speak SLOWLY enough or LOUD enough...start questioning your message

I'm sorry, Darleen, but that's bull. Not only has the Dutch government vigorously pursued the killers, but the Deputy Prime Minister said, "We are declaring war back: we will step up the fight and will make radical Islamic movements disappear from the Netherlands." At the same time, they have to deal with a bunch of reprisal attacks against Muslims (who, by the way, have come out forcefully against the terrorists...something I wish American Muslims would do more of!).

Besides which, this has nothing to do with the Democratic Party or its message. People need to take their heads out of the Democratic Underground and Free Republic sewers long enough to realize that mainstream America--left AND right--are on the same side as far as terrorism goes. My only beef on that front (and one I think is shared by most "normal" people who oppose Bush) is that Iraq was completely mishandled, had nothing to do with the immediate threat of al-Qaeda (except to recruit MORE of them), and came at the end of a series of lies and distortions, NOT that attacking Islamist radicals is wrong or we should somehow forgive their brutal murder sprees because they didn't get enough love from their mommies. I don't think that's inconsistent with the message Kerry tried to present. He just stunk at it.

Solonor - Your guy Kerry had no MoralCompass. He was and is an Elitist who lied, cheated and stole his way to the position he is in.

I grew up in a Democratic family. I ain't a PartyAnimal any more. Picking the lesser of two evils last time would have been a SlamDunk IF ONLY Gore would have said something to convince me he was different than his former boss. So, when that didn't happen, I made my choice.

This time - the Party made the wrong choice. It has become a gathering of self-interest groups. What you had this time on Reps side was SELF-HELP groups.

Buck up, man. You guys want to accuse everyone from the President on down of bein' nothing but a pack of liars, you can now wallow in the fact you decided to go with a proven liar.

I ain't angry. But... I ain't seen justice done yet. Of course, all it would take would be for Kerry to own up to his thievery, admit that killing the unborn is indeed something which he is BOUND to oppose (in or out of uniform, privately AND publically), and apologize.

Nah. I waited thirty years for that. It ain't happening.

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