..this is what our enemies think of Kerry..
via drudge-washington times-
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20041027-121030-7792r.htm

While you would be hard pressed to find someone who agreed more than I that "Kerry needs to loose", I do not feel such serious accusations based upon tenuous evidence is called for. While there undoubtedly were Communist agent provocateurs active in the anti-Vietnam War movement and throughout the Cold War, the vast majority of those opposed to the war and nuclear weapons were not. That these well meaning but oft-misguided souls were at times led, directed and deceived by Communist agents likewise cannot be questioned, but this is not unlike the current "anti-war" movement that is largely shaped and funded by organizations such as ANSWER while most participants remain completely ignorant of the larger goal they are serving.

While John Kerry seems certainly guilty of self-interested grandstanding vis-à-vis the VVAW hearings, I think it is far more likely that his nuclear freeze mentality throughout the Cold War (and even today) was informed by the impression of America as either a bully or child whose reckless and thoughtless acts pose a greater danger to the world than the sort of cold, but rational, evil the Soviets represented. That much of this impression was shaped in his Vietnam War and post-War experiences seems without question and, while Communist agents most likely had a large part to play in forming and solidifying these ideas, casually accusing him of being an agent is akin to the "interesting theory" that GWB knew about 9/11 before it happened.

Washington Times? Ha ha ha!

It's owned by Moonies, for the sake of criminy.

Drudge, Washtimes, what's next for the crazy right trifecta, Newsmax? World Net Daily?

Another thing:

1. Do not besmirch such a fine film as The Manchurian Candidate with such lunatic metaphors.

2. The evil forces in TMC were Republican. It's funny, you could portray Iselin's side as neo-cons, while Jordan's side were real conservatives.

And your guy is nothing more than the same pathetic Liar he was over thirty years ago, Vince. And that's a FACT. Not based on some analogous relationship with celluloid - or Super8 film if you wish.

That he's got you sheep following him around is another recreation of his VVAW days. The next thing you'll be doin' is contemplating assasinations. But there is already talk in that vein, ain't there?

"The next thing you’ll be doin’ is contemplating assasinations. But there is already talk in that vein, ain’t there?"

Dear Cap n Doc:

Stop smoking reefer.

Love,

Vince

No. No. No. It was Chinese Communists in the "real" Manchurian Candidate, not the anti-corporate remake. Also, it was Kerry and his buds in VVAW who were "contemplating assasinations" of pro-war congressman (in St. Louis in 1971). Well-documented stuff!

As I recall it is also pretty well documented that Kerry walked out on the St.Louis assemblage after the assasination idea was floated.

If opposition to the Vietnam War and support of the nuclear freeze movement makes one a communist, then so are millions of Americans (including lots of corporate chieftains these days).

rdelephant reckons those who were opposed to the Vietnam War were all commies.

There were also a lot who were just so gutless they didn't want to put their lives on the line for their country but were unwilling to mention their own cowardice as the reason for their opposition.

Kerry clearly wasn't a coward and he is the subject of this thread (in case you missedf that part). I was only 15 when the war ended, so I assume you aren't talking about me. What exactly is your point ??

Vince Whatever gave you the impression that I was smokin'? I note you avoid discussion of Kerry's proclivity for sucking toads with Peter Fonda...

But I digress. So do you.

Kerry was wearing his MagicHat when he secretly enjoyed Christmas Dinner in Cambodia. Just another example of his excellent 'nuancing' abilities. He a proven Liar. And you sittin' somewhere South of Alaska and somewhere north of Michigan leaves you with not much of a voice in the matter.

Don't know whether Kerry is a coward, nor does elephant, whatever he may think.
But Kerry sure went around asking for ribbons for every little scratch he got. That says something unsavoury about the man.

Then there is the litany of his lies. And marrying for money. Seems like a sort of Walter Mitty character, except a nasty one.

It's interesting what sort of person would support someone like that.

"As I recall it is also pretty well documented that Kerry walked out on the St.Louis assemblage after the assasination idea was floated."

Yup. He sure did the right thing there, rd.

Notice he didn't flip on his 'band of brothers', either. Must have been something that HE said that kept him from going to the authorities with that one.

AFA the documentation goes... It's easy to come up with all kinds of documentation, guy. Hell, Dan Rather cooked up documents overnight!

There's a lot that we don't know about Senator Kerry, mostly because he won't release his military records. You see, the Democrats run on a DoubleStandard, whereby lying is okay, cheating is okay, and stealing is okay. What Kerry stole from me, my dead brothers, those who have suffered in silence for thirty some years, and even those POWs that he abandoned, was our honor.

He could apologize. He could do what his fellow Democrats demanded of our President - release his records. But he won't. Because he is nothing more or less than the common lying, cheating thief.

I certainly don't admire you for trying to excuse his behavior, nor that of the VVAW, of which he was a LEADER. What you know about his activities you've apparently read. Revisionist history, I suspect...

The italicized portion Posted by: rdelephant at October 27, 2004 07:38 PM

rdelephant says:
“As I recall it is also pretty well documented that Kerry walked out on the St.Louis assemblage after the assasination idea was floated.”

Yeah, but that was after the vote and we don't know how he voted or whether his departure had anything to do with the murder proposal. Why don't we know? Because his campaign claimed he had resigned from VVAW before the meeting. After they had to eat crow on that one because of the FBI reports and other witnesses, we heard no more. Of course, the MSM didn't press it.

After all, what's a little proposal to murder congressmen among friends?

See my blog of October 2, raising the same possibilities and suggesting a few others.

Leonardo Kokopeli

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