July 09, 2004
Michael Moore & 'Convenient Lies'
Pejman has a couple of interesting points to make about Michael Moore. "The Coleridge Party" discusses the "willing suspension of disbelief" as a political program:
"It's not as if the lies in Moore's film are well-hidden. The websites Moorelies.com and Mooreexposed.com keep a running commentary on Moore's inability to coincide his facts with the truth.... No one believes for a moment that the cult of irresponsibility is confined to just one party, and conspiratorial whispers during the Clinton Administration that Bill Clinton had Vince Foster killed, or that the Clintons ran drugs, were just as shameful as the swallowing and parroting of Michael Moore's alternative history by prominent Democrats. And it would come as no surprise if there are other prominent Democrats who are appalled by their party's embrace of a mendacious filmmaker and his hate-filled message. But either their voices are being drowned out by other Democrats eager to grab hold of Fahrenheit 9/11 and use it as a political tool -- no matter what the cost to honest discourse -- or they are not stepping forward in the first place to try to inject some semblance of sanity in their party."
Exhibit A - Kevin "Calpundit" Drum:
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Posted By Winds of Change.NET at July 9, 2004 11:01 AM
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The thing that really gets me about this guy is that all of this hate and distrust he's spreading is going to get more of our people killed. If this is not treason im not sure what is.
Posted by: BallsDeep at July 9, 2004 12:49 PM
Someone at the Guardian has a bet on for the most wingnut trackbacks, and I think they'll win it.
Posted by: bananas at July 9, 2004 01:24 PM
The thing that really gets me about Michael Moore is that conservatives dont see that hes just using the same crap tactics that Rush Limbaugh et all have been using for years: Innuendo, cheap shots, selective editing, spin.
Neither of them is "good" for democratic compromise. Both shock the public into being more invovled. Is it better to be lethargic and ignorant, or fired up and misinformed?
BallsDeep comments are hilarious. If what MM is doing is treason, what was crippling the government for 2 years because of a blowjob about?
Posted by: dave at July 9, 2004 02:37 PM
getting a blowjob is not a big deal, cheating on your wife, ehh ok, lying to the entire country slightly more important, getting caught red handed, PRICELESS...
This is a crucial time and we especially now don't need som fat jackass speading half truths that fuel the fire of hate toward us. MM rapes the lady that protects him. This is the ultimate discrace and I think he should be punished for his disrespect and for his arrogance towards the U.S.
Posted by: BallsDeep at July 9, 2004 03:48 PM
it wasn't about the BJ, it was about LYING UNDER OATH to Congress/poeple of the US. Any other person would have been jailed/fined for such an offense. You currently have lefties howling for Bush because he "lied" about WMD and such in Iraq...how is that ANY different when it comes to the value of the "lie"?
WPoS
Posted by: WPoS at July 9, 2004 03:51 PM
Byron York of the National Review does a pretty good job of reconstructing clinton's lies based on his PBS appearances. It's just disgusting.
Michael Moore is just disgusting.
I'd like to see some factual support for the contention that Michael Moore equals rush Limbaugh.
Yes, I would.
Posted by: skip at July 9, 2004 04:39 PM
dave wrote
The thing that really gets me about Michael Moore is that conservatives dont see that hes just using the same crap tactics that Rush Limbaugh et all have been using for years: Innuendo, cheap shots, selective editing, spin.
What gets me is the people trying to defend Michael Moore by bringing up someone they think those icky enough to criticize Moore must like and use the classic small child's "but they do it toooooo" 'defense'.
What, pray tell, will you use with those people who dislike Moore and Limbaugh?
Posted by: Patrick Chester at July 9, 2004 11:51 PM
Good. Congress just called bullsh*t on Bush's prewar claims, when do the impeachment hearings start?
Posted by: Lakhim at July 10, 2004 01:27 AM
Lakhim,
Have you ever been to Congress? I did not think so!
The Senate is typically posturing for their own re-elections. There are few Republican Senators and NO DEMOCRATS who give a Damn about anything except themselves, so their Bull Shit will be ignored, as it should be.
Posted by: leaddog2 at July 10, 2004 08:28 AM
"Good. Congress just called bullsh*t on Bush’s prewar claims, when do the impeachment hearings start?"
Start? I don't believe they will. Have you read the report? Your statement 'implies' otherwise.
The italicized portion above Posted by: Lakhim at July 10, 2004 01:27 AM
Posted by: Cap'n DOC at July 10, 2004 10:59 AM
Lakhim
As usual you miss the point. Congress had access to the same info that the president, plus more, plus analysis of it, if they wanted. If Congress was wrong the only ones to be made at are the Congress people themselves. Without their vote nothing would have happened. Just because it now appears there was problems with intelligence analysis doesn't mean anybody lied. Hell, I misinterpret things everyday, it doesn't mean I'm always wrong, or even generally wrong. You can misinterpret quite a bit of stuff and still generally come to the correct outcome, which I beleive is what happened in Iraq.
Chads
Posted by: Chads at July 10, 2004 12:59 PM
I transcribed this part of an interview with Sen Mary Landrieu on FoxNews last thursday:
LANDRIEU: If there's any senator or any person that takes issue with anything in that movie, they should lay their cards on the table. So far that movie's been out for several weeks, has grossed more money than almost any documentary in the history and I haven't seen one credible criticism that can't be backed up with a fact so that's that on the movie.
ANCHOR: Let me stop you there. You're say nothing in the film that has not been criticized factually?
LANDRIEU: I am saying that ... it's been out there for three weeks there is not one criticism of that film that hasn't been backed up substantially because of the fact checks.
I'm sure she meant to say that all of the criticisms have been disproven by Moore's infamous factcheckers. She must be standing in her office with her fingers in her ears, humming to herself if she hasn't seen or heard any of the documented debunking of many of Moore's "facts" (even by liberal entities like Chris Hitchens or Newsweek).
Posted by: GarnetGirl at July 12, 2004 03:43 PM
I used to work for a Chamber of Commerce in the Midwest. Back in the early '90s, one of our VPs attended a 'Prayer Breakfast' downtown with various community movers and shakers. Everyone was polite and said their piece. Toward the end of the breakfast, a local black minister stood to speak. Jewish doctors were infecting black babies with the AIDS virus, he said, and he was sick of the inaction he saw around him in the community.
My friend the VP had the same reaction just about everyone else had - jaw-dropping silence. When your leaders are co-opted by paranoid conspriacy theories, it marginalizes your message. It trivializes the real problems that are out there.
Mary Landrieu and her democratic cohorts are a few scant steps away from the tin-foil hats. One wonders where the wishful thinking stops and the willful delusion sets in. It is, indeed, a slippery slope.
Michael Moore is a documentary maker the way Leni Riefenstahl was a documentary maker. Be careful what you swallow whole.
Posted by: torpedo_eight at July 12, 2004 07:51 PM
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