Sounds about right. Of course he'll just say he was blindly mislead by the corrupt Bush administration.

Chads

Yep god ole flip-flop at it again. Dems, this is your guy.

Chads

Thanks, Crank.

In your face, DNC.

I can't imagine why anyone trusts the guy. He is so plainly out for Number One.

BUSTED!

Bostonian: And he's so full of Number Two.

Call-Sign "Boston Strangler" is such a lying weasel it sickens me to listen to him.

Even the lefties are less than enthusiastic about him, but the wingnuts who have hijacked the democratic party are so desperate to get into power that they would support Charlie Manson if they thought he could beat Bush.

"Of course he’ll just say he was blindly mislead by the corrupt Bush administration."
- absolutely right. Who could believe a president would lie so much.
Oh and remember the circumstances that he voted- Bushco was saying they were going to use the war vote to strengthen the US hand when it went to the UN. That we would definately get a vote one way or the other. What happened to that? Right Bush either outright lied or he flip flopped and didnt get a UN vote. So is it president flip flop? or president liar??

Frankly I supported the war...used to...of course I made three assumptions that have proven wrong:
1) Bush wouldnt lie about this
2)Bush would do the job right
3) the efffort wouldnt take away from Afghanistan.
Of course, I was wrong, I believed Bush.

O.K. Loofa

Kerry and the Dems didn't have to listent to anybody. They had access to all the same intelligence that everybody else had plus they could have requested more. Are you saying liberals shouldn't be trusted to make decisions?\

Define right?

How did we take away from the war in Afghanistan? What would leaving 150,000 troops there have accomplished?

Chads

Loofa The "Bush lied' meme is getting real old, especially coming from you. Hang youself net to the Soap-on-a-Rope, and turn on the Shower.

You need it.

net=next. Preview is my friend.

///Frankly I supported the war…used to…of course I made three assumptions that have proven wrong:

Loofa, if you supported the war, I'll eat my shirt. I suppose you voted for Bush and his father and are a highly decorated member of the military as well, like the rest of the liberal trolls that spout here.

Spare us.

Someone had an Idea a few posts back. Charlie Manson as Kerry's VP selection. Let Charlie negoiate with the DPRK and Iran and France. The diplos always talk about sending a message. What better messenger then 'ol charlie. Not sure how well he polls among the soccer moms, but he is bound to do well with the MTV crowd. For sure pro abortion, although a little confused about just where you cut.

Bush lied? Not accurding to the IAEA and UNMOVIC

The assertion that Saddam Hussein had no Weapons of Mass Destruction prior to last year’s liberation has been rendered absurd – by United Nations weapons inspectors.

Demetrius Perricos, acting chairman of UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), recently disclosed that his inspectors have been busily tracking shipments of illicit Iraqi WMD components around the world.

The Associated Press announced that UNMOVIC inspectors have found dozens of engines from banned al-Samoud 2 (SA2) missiles, which were shipped out of Iraq as “scrap metal.” Most recently, UNMOVIC agents found 20 SA-2 engines in Jordan, along with a great deal of other WMD materials. Officials discovered an identical engine in a Rotterdam port in the Netherlands and believe as many as a dozen extra SA-2 missile engines alone have been transported out of Iraq and remain unaccounted for. Inspectors believe at least some of these engines have also reached Turkey and hope to search Turkish ports in the near future.

UNMOVIC estimates as much as 1,000 tons of scrap metal a day are leaving Iraq bound for foreign shores.
Besides the SA-2 engines, inspectors also found Iraqi “dual use” technology in Jordan, items purportedly employed in civilian affairs that can be used to create or enhance deadly weapons systems. The New York Times noted that among those items were “fermenters, a freeze drier, distillation columns, parts of missiles and a reactor vessel - all tools suitable for making biological or chemical weapons.”

UN spokesman Ewen Buchanan put the threat of “dual use” technology into perspective. “You can make all kinds of pharmaceutical and medicinal products with a fermenter,” Buchanan said. “You can also use it to breed anthrax.”
Before the war, Saddam’s regime cast its possession of “dual use” materials in the most innocent light, a ruse familiar to students of the Cold War. UNMOVIC wisely rejected his sunny assessment.

Today, UNMOVIC inspectors are deeply concerned about the possibility of WMD proliferation. A Reuters news story captures their distress:
‘A number of sites which contained dual-use equipment that was previously monitored by UN inspectors has [sic.] been systematically taken apart,’ said Ewen Buchanan, spokesman for the New York-based inspectors. ‘The question this raises is what happened to equipment known to have been there.

‘Where is it now? It's a concern,’ Buchanan asked.
‘The existence of missile engines originating in Iraq among scrap in Europe may affect the accounting of proscribed engines known to have been in Iraq's possession,’ UNMOVIC said.

The report said the U.N. inspectors also found papers showing illegal contracts by Iraq for a missile guidance system, laser ring gyroscopes and a variety of production and testing equipment not previously disclosed.

Many of the “dual use” components UNMOVIC found in foreign ports had been previous tagged by UN inspectors in Iraq before the war. And transfers are taking place rapidly. During his presentation, Perricos showed the Security Council a picture of a fully developed missile site in May 2003 that had been entirely torn down by February of this year.

Perricos’ June 9 testimony is made all the more credible by the fact that he is hardly a neo-con stalwart. USA Today described his mindset just three months ago: “Demetrius Perricos, acting head of the United Nations weapons inspection program, can't disguise his satisfaction that almost a year after the invasion of Iraq, U.S. inspectors have found the same thing that their much-maligned UN counterparts did before the war: no banned weapons.” Today, Perricos’ smile has disappeared.

(It should be noted that Perricos was honest enough to say the Iraqis were dragging their feet in destroying banned missiles just a month before Operation Iraqi Freedom began. He said at the time that Saddam viewed a partial and halting disarmament as a “way by which the possibility of war is being further avoided.” He added: “I cannot tell whether he genuinely believes in the inspection process or not.” Evidently, the fact that Saddam expelled all UN inspectors during the Clinton administration wasn’t a clue to the UN’s Sherlock Holmes.)

These revelations came during a closed meeting of the UN Security Council held last Wednesday, June 9. However, the investigations are not new. The Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) launched its own probe into Iraqi WMD transfers a full six months ago, when a Dutch scrap metal company discovered five pounds of yellowcake uranium ore in Rotterdam. The sample was shipped from Jordan but Jordanian officials said the metal originated in Iraq. (Perhaps this is the yellowcake that atomic sleuth Amb. Joe Wilson insisted Iraq never purchased from Niger.) IAEA Director Mohammed El Baradei warned two months ago that evidence of Saddam’s WMDs is being shipped abroad.
Jordan has been the recipient of Iraqi WMDs in the past. Most recently, Jordan seized 20 tons of chemical weapons while foiling an al-Qaeda plot to kill 80,000 people. The stockpile they uncovered contained 70 different kinds of chemical agents, including Sarin and VX gas. (Remember, last month Iraqi insurgents lobbed two chemical weapons at U.S. troops armed with Sarin and mustard gas.)

On April 17, Jordanian King Abdallah claimed these poisons came from Syria – but experts say Syria only has the capacity to produce small amounts of these weapons, not the 20 tons al-Qaeda possessed. Significantly, David Kay and others have said Syria acted as a depository for Saddam’s WMDs. Former Justice Department official John Loftus has made a compelling case that even more WMDs are presently buried in Syria. And these are merely the latest in a long line of WMD discoveries, inside Iraq and out.

You may be forgiven if this is news to you: The mainstream media have chosen to ignore or downplay the significance of the UN’s vindication of President Bush’s policies. In fact, the predictably left-leaning Reuters news service blamed these WMD shipments…on America. Reuters wrote that “the U.S.-led occupation force” had not adequately “protected sites or items that inspectors tagged before the war because of their potential use in weapons of mass destruction.”

Apparently, one must live in Australia to get the truth. The Sunday Times’ headline? “UN uncovers banned weapons.”
The discovery of banned WMD engines should forever silence those who believe Saddam had no stockpile of weapons, or that all such stockpiles were destroyed before the war. Saddam gassed his own people. He had WMDs that miraculously ended up in the hands of Jordanian al-Qaeda terrorists. And now we find his pre-war armory of chemical and biological weapons, including anthrax agents, is being shipped around the world. The fact that these transfers have taken place in an independent Iraq should only reinforce the righteousness of toppling Saddam. In a post-Saddam Iraq, these weapons are being found in shipyards in the Netherlands and Jordan; had Saddam stayed in power, more and more of them may have ended up in the hands of Osama bin Laden. UNMOVIC’s finding is simply further evidence that Operation Iraqi Freedom was justified – and the opposition was willfully ignorant of the threat Saddam Hussein posed to American security.

Truth Angel: Links would be most helpful.

How did the Iraq invasion detract from Afghanistan? Well we supposedly had Osama bin laden surrounded in Tora bora. But since we had taken out our crack special forces out of Afghanistan, it was left to Pakistani troops to surround the area. Bin Laden escaped.

Currently we have around 10k troops in Af. That enables us to secure Kabul, and not much else. We've put the warlords back in charge.

Oh and now we hear the Taliban is returning to Afghanistan.

Hers a link:
http://www.iht.com/articles/106783.html

Johnny- try some ketchup with that shirt, cause I did. Even advocated that the USArmy should turn right and invade Iraq after the first month.

And Bush lying is getting old? I agree. Please make him stop. Its truly criminal that Bush repeatedly uses national security to justify his actions. Gee he recently lied again about a 9/11-Iraq link. He lied in his SOTU address. And why hasnt Bush apologized or corrected any of his errors? I think the WH press secratary said that Bush doesnt follow polls. Later a Bush admin insider reveals 'apologizing doesnt poll well'

Up, to late. Bush just anounced that there really was a 9/11 Iraq link... Geez the man lied in the State of the Union speach.

Truth Angel-
Heres a couple of clues-

Dual use stuff? Give me a break- first if we really gave a shit about this stuff we could have protected the storage facilities where they were held. But we didnt.

Second the UN was already monitoring the Dual use stuff. Thats why it had tags on it. We let the genie out of the bottle by invading, remember?

Third- I dont know why Righties are so f--ked up on this point- we didnt invade to keep Saddam from giving SA-2 missile engines (a soviet designed surface to air missile used in the vietnam war by the north) to Al quieda- We invaded to keep Saddam from giving Chemical, biological and eventually nuclear weapons to al queida. Not scrap metal. Not rocket engines. You may have noticed - 9/11/01- there are plenty of delivery systems for these weapons around.

Fourth- Stockpiles. Stockpiles of WMDs. Not one or two. Stockpiles. That Saddam was going to launch at 45 minute notice against our allies in the region. Thats the fucking yardstick.
Lets recall: "In defiance of the United Nations, Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."

Source: President: Iraqi Regime Danger to America is "Grave and Growing", White House (10/5/2002).

Youve made note of the Sarin shell, and a mustard gas round. I havent heard anything about the mustard gas round that you speak of... so I wont comment on that directly but you can extrapolate.
Saddam had developed chemical weapons. He had sarin, mustard, Im not sure what else. He made binary sarin shells. And these were live fired, in Iraq. Then he destroyed it all to comply with the UN sanctions. Fast forward to the present- artillery shells have over a 10% dud rate..Resistance members searching for explosive shells to use as IED's search a weapons range and find a dud. They use it for an IED and it turns out to be an old Sarin binary shell. We dont know thats what happened for certain, but we do know it comports with reality. As opposed to your account where insurgents 'lobbed' those shells- the sarin one was an IED- an improvised explosive device- a bomb on a trigger, not an artillery launched shell.

So its nice that you still think Bush has some credibility and that Saddam still has some WMD's but Im sorry, they both dont.

LoafaLoofa - Then he destroyed it all to comply with the UN sanctions. Posted by Loofa at June 21, 2004 03:16 AM

He did, did he??? Could you like, give us some PROOF of that?

Just how much proof can you drum up there, LoofaLaugha?

Is it too hard for you to THINK, and realize that the terrorists run from one country to the othr?
Is it to complicated for you to realize that this fundamentalist movement against the west, America is centred in a hub consisting of more than one country?

Do you not think, despite all the overwhemling facts that iraq was not in fact, one of the leaders of developing dangerous goods to assist that terrorist movement? Do you not think that there are still others, like Syria, Iran and others still very much involved?
Why don't you wake up, Loofa.

Do any lefties have an education, and the capability of rational thinking?

I have yet to find such a lefty.

terorism Loofa, isn't just in Afghanistan, they are very much cleaned out of that area, and are all in Iraq, Iran, syria, Europe, Idonesia, Malasia, Sudan, Algeria, Morocco, Spain, and the USA.

Saddam was clearly, amoung otherthings, developing and selling, training and relating with these Islamic "fundamentalists" . Not to mention killing millions of his own people, just for what, Sport? But that's ok in your mind. To hell with it if he goes and kills a bunch of Kiwaiti's totures people, does as he likes.

Do you, Loofa, think this is all about oil as well?

Why don't you check out a few links, then come back and tell me that. Make sure you READ first, so you don't sound like a complete idiot.

oil for blood?

More oil for blood?

Hopefully, those links might help to improve your intelect.

http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_belmontclub_archive.html#108721924564569760

and

http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_belmontclub_archive.html#108755863602428605

direct links don't work here i guess.

Al Uzza-
Here's how you do it-
EXCEPT everywhere I've used { or } (brackets) you should actually use the little sideways v's called carats (I think) that are located on the period and comma keys OK?

type the following

{a href="type the address between the quotes">type the address again without quotation marks{/a}

If you preview, the second address should be the only thing displayed and it should be underlined and blue and it should work. Providing of course you substitute carats for brackets as I mentioned.

Also that IS a space between the a and the href in the first bracketed section BTW

Good luck!

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