OK,

Enough already, turn down the squelch on that squak box. I jus' wanted to have my say. Thank you very much...

LoL

Some of these folks are in deep water already. It is the man that makes the nation, not the other way round. The nation is to safeguard him and give him opportunities, and the freedom to perfect himself and aid his neighbor in doing the same. The nation is the servant, and that extends to all branches including the judicial. IT has obligations. It also has the right to demand and recieve obedience of man, as it is required for the performance of its duties. This right, as long as the government retains its responsibility, is inalienable. The judicial system is supposed to arbitrate differences between man and state, and not make decisions to which they hold no right. Now, this is the wrong forum for discussing some of these issues of import, but the Courts belong to US, not the government. Their Authority comes from above, and they would not have it, were it not given to them from above. I paraphrase here, but you should be getting a picture. It is MY responsibility to fulfill my role, whatever that might be. I should comport myself, and conduct my affairs with Authority that has been entrusted to me. God cannot be 'exorcised' from the equation.

The rule of law is badly imperilled when laws are ignored. How much more so when a judge ignores the law.

I don't think that the Ten Commandments are inappropriate for a courtroom or a courthouse. But Judge Moore chose the wrong ground for this battle. He's not helping.

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step..

--ancient chinese proverb

By rights people should have noticed the problem back with the Dredd Scott case. The Judiciary is messed up. They routinely make ludicrous rulings like Dredd Scott, Roe vs Wade, and every gun control law they have upheld. The courts must stop writing the law and must start upholding the laws that exist.

this guy is exploiting christianity for his own personal gain. They should take the lost ark outta that big warehouse and open it up so judge moore's face can melt off.

The concept of "separation of church and state" does not exist in the Constitution. The amendment was inserted in the original Bill of Rights because certain states had already established religions (for instance, Massachusetts was Congregationalist) and they didn't want the federal government imposing a national religion on them - like the C of E back home.

That said, placing the 10 Commandments in the courthouse does not establish a religion. It is a nod to the original Source of all law, the original Source of our rights. We the people only grant power to a government in order to maintain law and order and protect our rights. It is not "freedom FROM worship", it's "freedom TO worship".

If our judicial leadership finds reference to God offensive, then why aren't they consistent about it? Stop swearing oaths, take the "In God We Trust" off our currency, stop observing Easter and Christmas as federal holidays (which does much more "establishing" of religion as any 10 Commandment tablet in a courthouse). And that Thanksgiving thing, thanksgiving to Whom? I say all federal employees should be working that Thursday and Friday like any other. And rip all those crosses and Stars of David off the fallen soldiers' graves. Do it - if you have the BALLS.

In other words, this is just political correctness run amok again. The hypocrisy is palpable. Reference to God, reverance to God, thanksgiving to God - is NOT establishment of religion. It is acknowledging the Source of our RIGHTS as Americans.

Leftwing pantywaists - get over it, you've been ignoring the Constitution of the US for the last 60 years so why would any of us believe you knew what was in it?

Look for Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists - there's your "separation of church and state". A letter from a former President to a congregation, a letter, not the Constitution - you morons.

Nice going torpedo8;

I read that and had to laugh out loud. We are in agreement, face melting off... OK, were do I sign up?

Torpedo-8:


The 10 commandments arent the original source of law. Hammurabi's code is. Why dont we just write and eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth?

Original source of rights? no
My granddad fought for my original source of rights in ww2. He didnt have to lug a 2ton stone around the south pacific for it either.

BTW... I think it would be great to see giant stone hindu sex goddess statues all over the Supreme Court building.

I think God understands we are all just trying to get along down here. He isnt going to hit us with lighting bolts and send us to hell if we dont convert every pigmy we see.

Your granddaddy may have served his country, but he certainly didn't have to fight for any original source of rights, unless your are referring to God - as in, he served God and Country. The Declaration says your rights were given you by your Creator. They are inalienable. As a citizen you are endebted to your country, and hold the office of Citizen. You may even be a Soldier, which is a bit different than being a Citizen. The State asks that you defend it if need be. God well understands that there are many here that could give a Tinker's Damn about your rights and responsibilities. It really isn't the 10 commandments, you know. And Hammurabi probably arrived at the code he established with the help of God, if only by accident.

Yo Joe!

Actually, although you are correct about Hammurabi code from babylonia, T8 is referring to the Source of law, which is God. Indeed, many of the laws of England and early America, were based on Judaic law, but many were also derived from the Romans, which of course, derived primarily from the Greek, which was, at least, in some part, derived from Hammurabi's Babylonian law.

BTW, I doubt that a Hindu sex goddess would elicit the response that The Ten Commandments has. There are all kinds of pagan symbols, serpents, gargoyles, etc, all over public buildings. Why is the ACLU not screaming to have them taken down? The hypocrisy with this issue is palpable here, and although I do not agree with Judge Moore, I think we tread dangerously trying to remove all vestiges of foundations of our country from public view. And whether we like it or not, whether we believe it or not, The Framers believed and tried to live the Ten Commandments. It is a huge part of our cultural heritage. We deny it at our peril.

Anyone interested in Hammurabi's code of Laws can go here:

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM

There is a law on placing monuments in court houses in Alabama.

The judge did not follow the law of monuments of his own state.

This is not a religion case.

It is a case of whether the Judge has to follow the laws of his own state.

A lot of people don't think the Judge should be bound by the law. I hpe the Judge makes his precident stick. There are a lot of laws I don't want to obey.

But that's not how it originated, was it, Simon? Although I think Justice Moore lacks judgement, this began because someone was offended because the judge had a plaque of them BEHIND HIS DESK. I do not believe that this isn't about religion, because as Dube has stated, if it had been anything else posted up there, no one would have squawked. And before you say that they would have; when was the last time you heard someone complain about the statues throughout this country's courthouses of an ancient Greek/Roman goddess?

Y'know, the blind one with the scales?

gijoe: There was no need for your granddaddy to fight for his rights, they were already granted to him by God (not Hammurabi). This is the basis for OUR AMERICAN SOCIETY, not that of the Fertile Cresent.

Hammurabi was an important man (and moment) in history because he was the first ruler to observe the rule of law - the idea that no man (including the king) is above the law, and that law applies to all of us, although at the time it only applied to Hammurabi's subjects. He didn't make sweeping generalizations to all men and what their rights might be, but he did post laws (a first) and he did his best to enforce them. It makes him a great man, but our government is based on the concept of natural rights, not Hammy's code.

If Judge Moore violated his state's laws regarding momuments, then maybe that technicallity is enough to explain the removal of the Commandments, but as many here have noted, the enforcement of such laws is arbitrary and politically nuanced (as in correct).

Still, making the leap from displaying the Commandments and converting every pygmy to Christianity should leave your hamstrings across the street where you started.

As for your ignorance of the basis for the American Constitution and our Founding Fathers' intentions, I can only suggest "Liberty, Order and Justice - An Introduction to the Constitutional Principles of American Government" by James McClellan.

when i was in grade school they passed a law forgidding the ten commandments in the classroom. My first grade treacher was an old hand at teaching children. She simplely refused to take it down. They tried to compel her to obey, but they couldn't answer her question.And they left alone. It was this,"How are the children to know what is exspected of them , if they are not told?"

Dear Sir


The information that I hope you will read you will see that Mr. Moore has a lot of skeletons in his closets.
I, have email this information so that you will seek the truth - I, have fax the same information to his office place so that "Roy " will have a complete chance to rebut this so far Moore has not. Also “Roy” received the information package on Nov.8th, 2003 , by Susan Holmes hand ixoye@brightok.net
.

I, personally believe Moore has a dark past " HE TALK'S THE TALK BUT DOES NOT WALK .

Thank you ,

Have a blessed day, I, pray for Mr. Moore each day to get right with GOD

Butch Walker
5829 Wiltshire Dr.
Columbus, GA. 31909
1-800-688-7627


J’Accuse
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Judge Roy Moore


Dear Judge Moore:

We at J’Accuse, are concerned regarding the increasing publication on the Internet, first, from Mr. Esler C. “Butch” Walker, and now from many others, alleging that you acted improperly in Alabama appeal number 1992181. These very, very serious accusations by Butch Walker concern us for the following reasons: If what Butch Walker says is true, a Christian American family has been subjected to sham judgments exceeding six hundred thousand dollars, been defrauded of their home, been defrauded of other substantial sums of money with your complicity, and worst of all, you have publicly ridiculed Butch Walker for standing up for his rights and God’s Law. We are also concerned about you, Judge Moore. Prior to receiving communications from Butch Walker, we believed that you are a God-fearing, honest public servant dedicated to truth, justice, and the American way. We feel that you deserve an opportunity to vindicate yourself of Butch Walker’s charges.
We request that you answer the following questions. Please be informed that not answering these questions tends to validate Butch Walker’s accusations. We feel this request is not onerous as your publication on Butch Walker suggests great familiarity with his case; and regardless, a Christian American family has been made to sacrifice terribly, apparently by public corruption.
We anticipate being able to publish your compliance with this request.




Richard Luke Cornforth, Chairman of J’Accuse

1. Please admit that you know and understand that Alabama rules of civil procedure require that on motion of a party, a trial shall be continued where party needs to find substitute counsel.
2. Please state whether the record made in appeal number 1992181 shows (1). Rhonda Jones Hardesty, formerly attorney for Butch Walker and now judge in Chilton County Alabama accepted a gift from plaintiff and opposing party Bill Blackwell which most people would consider a bribe; (2). Whether Rhonda Jones Hardesty filed a motion to withdraw as counsel for Butch Walker but the motion wasn’t filed into the record until a year later; (3). Whether Butch Walker filed a motion for a continuance of the trial for time to find substitute counsel; and, (4).Whether the trial court judge continued the trial based on Butch Walker’s motion.
3. Please admit that you know and understand that a judgment, whether by jury trial, bench trial, summary judgment, or default, must be based on a “prove up” of the claim, requiring witnesses testimony and admissible evidence, and the total lack of evidence and testimony would result in a void judgment. Please admit further that you know and understand that collecting or even attempting to collect money on a void judgment is both a civil and criminal trespass.
4. Please state whether the record made in appeal number 1992181 shows that an ex parte trial was held in the absence of Butch Walker; no testimony was had; and, no evidence was entered on the record, yet Judge Drinkard ruled for Bill Blackwell and against Butch Walker in a sum of three-hundred thousand dollars.
5. Please admit or deny that a party who petitions to vacate a void judgment as opposed to a party moving for the vacation of a void judgment is filing their own suit against the alleged judgment creditor known as a collateral attack. Please admit further that you know and understand that a party attacking a judgment as void is invoking the ministerial side of the court and where the record shows procedural irregularities such as denial of due process by a judge refusing to continue or a total absence of any evidentiary support of the claim, the court has a non-judicial, non-discretionary duty to vacate the void judgment and order repair of the party against whom the void judgment was rendered.
6. Please admit that you know and understand that where a party moves an Alabama court for change of venue, Alabama law requires that venue be changed one time. Please admit that you know and understand that it is a violation of judicial canon for a judge to be a witness in their own court.
7. Please state whether the record made in appeal number 1992181 shows that Butch Walker’s motion for change of venue was denied, whether Butch Walker’s affidavit that Judge Bush refused to allow the proceedings to be recorded was rebutted, whether Butch Walker’s affidavit stating that Chilton County court clerk Mike Smith refused to allow Butch Walker to file the collateral attack and said, “don’t do nothing for that son of a bitch” was rebutted, and whether Butch Walker’s subpoenas of Rhonda Jones Hardesty and Mike Smith were not enforced.
8. Please admit or deny that you published that the reason why Butch Walker’s subpoenas “didn’t issue” was because Butch Walker failed to pay for the subpoenas.
9. Please admit or deny that the record in appeal number 1992181 verifies a receipt where Butch Walker in fact did pay for the subpoenas; the subpoenas did issue and were part of the record on appeal; the subpoenas are stampeded “after diligent search, the party subpoenaed could not be found in the county meaning Chilton County’s chief judge and court clerk were absent without leave; and, the subpoenas were signed by Chilton County court clerk Mike Smith. In other words, not only could Mike Smith not find his chief judge, Mike Smith couldn’t find himself.
10. Please admit or deny that Butch Walker filed a motion to challenge the record in appeal number 1992181 but that you and the other judges of Alabama’s supreme court either never saw the motion due to clerical mischief or ignored it.
11. Please admit that the record made on appeal in appeal number 1992181 shows almost countless alterations of court records in case number CV 1991-251.
12. Since it is undeniable that you ruled that Butch Walker’s appeal was frivolous and sanctioned Butch Walker about two thousand dollars for even filing the appeal, please state your basis in law for ruling that Butch Walker’s appeal was frivolous where the record shows an ex parte trial with no witnesses or evidence that resulted in a three hundred thousand dollar judgment against Butch Walker, where judge Bush refusal to change venue and refusal to allow a court report reporter in case number 2000-83B, refusal to enforce subpoenas, and you refused to review the procedural irregularities of cases CV 1991-251 and CV 2000-83B.
13. Please admit or deny that 18 USC 4 requires a judicial officer to make inquiry on report of a felony and the judicial officer’s refusal or neglect to investigate and assist in the prosecution of the crime means that the judicial officer is guilty of a crime.
14. Please admit that Butch Walker reported at least two felony violations of law by the attorney you rewarded in the appeal, Christopher Scott. Please admit that Butch Walker reported to you and your associates that Scott committed foreclosure fraud in violation of Georgia code section 16-9-60 and also Scott’s embezzlement of large sums from the Georgia treasury.
15. Please admit that you know and understand that there is no statute of limitations on challenging a void judgment, that when jurisdiction is challenged, it is incumbent in the party asserting that the court had jurisdiction to cite the jurisdictional regularity on the record in the original proceedings, and that no judge has authority to dismiss a jurisdictional challenge.
16. Please admit that you were given actual notice of misconduct in the Alabama Supreme Court including the denial of Butch Walker’s motion for rehearing filed merely six days after notice because it was allegedly out of time.
17. Please admit that you chose to publish your opinion in appeal 1992181 with intent to defame Butch Walker by making statements existing records reveal as untruthful.
18. In the context of inquiries 1-17, please explain how your personal conduct equates to due process or respect for The United States Constitution.

Judge Moore, we would like to discover that you had nothing to do with the review of the cases involving Butch Walker, that it was all mischief by clerks and law clerks. That, however, would require that you publish an apology to Butch Walker, vacate the void judgment in case number 1991-251, order Bill Blackwell to repair the Walker family, disbar Christopher Scott, assist in impeachment proceedings against Rhonda Jones Hardesty, Mike Smith, and judge Bush, and cooperate with a United States Justice Department investigation into public corruption in Alabama specifically targeting clerks and law clerks for civil rights violations and criminal misconduct. We appreciate your taking time to read this communication and remind you that whatever time you chose to invest in your response, a Christian American family, the Walkers, has lost their home, substantial sums of money, and been subjected to public humiliation. Please be advised that we at J’Accuse have done our due diligence, and after reviewing the files, Butch Walker’s accusations are completely true. The only questions to us a J’Accuse: who is really responsible?





November 8th 2003

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