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April 28, 2003
Another Reason To Not Respect Norman Mailer
What the hell is Norman Mailer thinking? According to his Op/Ed in the Times (UK), it appears we went to war in Iraq to satisfy the ego of a disenchanted and disenfranchised population of white American males. We've no white athletes to root for, you see, so Bush decided to throw us a bone by sending the nation to war. There were, however, even better reasons for using our military skills, but these reasons return us to the ongoing malaise of the white American male. He had been taking a daily drubbing over the past 30 years. For better or worse, the women’s movement had had its breakthrough successes and the old, easy white male ego had withered in the glare. Even the mighty consolations of rooting for your team on TV had been skewed. There was now less reward in watching sports than there used to be, a clear and declarable loss. The great white stars of yesteryear were for the most part gone, gone in football, in basketball, in boxing, and half-gone in baseball. Black genius now prevailed in all these sports (and the Hispanics were coming up fast; even the Asians were beginning to make their mark). We white men were now left with half of tennis (at least its male half), and might also point to ice-hockey, skiing, soccer, golf, (with the notable exception of the Tiger) as well as lacrosse, swimming, and the World-Wide Wrestling Federation — remnants and orts of a once-great and glorious centrality.If you meant to offend, Norman, you succeeded admirably. Read the rest here. Posted By at April 28, 2003 09:11 PM | TrackBack Comments
He's been drinking with Harold Pinter. Maybe they'll get in a fight over something stupid and both wind up in the tank. Posted by: marymcl at April 28, 2003 09:51 PM What's interesting here is that the common cry of the left is that the army is made up mostly of poor minorities. So now it's made up mostly of white males? Posted by: jen suozzi at April 28, 2003 10:07 PM The man is an ass. I saw him speak in 1972. He argued against abortion or birth control on the basis that one would sacrifice the gift of the existential gamble that is life...or some such garbage. Just one of the many trails of rubbish he has left in his sorry career. I never could understand why a person is considered to have an opinion worth quoting on the basis of a talent for writing fiction. He (like Gore Vidal) is simply another silly, self-absorbed celebrity. Posted by: BF at April 28, 2003 11:10 PM What is the idiot babbling about? He must be really old these days. Must be senile. CT Posted by: Charles T. at April 28, 2003 11:39 PM Old Norman's indulging himself in a bit of projection. Posted by: Robert Crawford at April 28, 2003 11:54 PM Who is Norman Mailer? Posted by: Dog at April 28, 2003 11:58 PM Someone should introduce him to Thumper. Posted by: Bama at April 29, 2003 02:11 AM What's with his bizarre fixation on race? Plus he admits to being uninformed: "If the TV was a reliable witness." What the hell? Sad the British provide a stage for the irrelevant opinions of this buffoon. Posted by: PJ at April 29, 2003 02:39 AM Sad, sad exercise of dying intellect. It's a good thing I have old man Mailer to explain away my miserable existence, not! What a wagon load of fertilizer! Posted by: Elvis at April 29, 2003 03:04 AM White men needed something to look up to? I thought it was to distract non-whites from their problems, according to your fellow-travelling crowd? The Roman Catholic Church is a "bastion of the erstwhile American faith"? And the US is "unwilling" to take it on? Norm, old fellow, the pedophilia scandal has also been a big problem in Australia, France, and other places: and the Church is in court even as you spout. "Be it said that the Administration knew something a good many of us did not — it knew that we had a very good, perhaps even an extraordinarily good, if essentially untested, group of Armed Forces, a skilled, disciplined, well-motivated military, career-focused and run by a field-rank and general staff who were intelligent, articulate, and considerably less corrupt than any other power group in America." "Our good people on high would rush to claim that our putative foe possessed a nuclear threat. Along the way, they presented President Saddam Hussein as the closet architect of 9/11." "For better or worse, the women’s movement had had its breakthrough successes and the old, easy white male ego had withered in the glare." "We white men were now left with ...the World-Wide Wrestling Federation — remnants and orts of a once-great and glorious centrality...." - a bit of a slip there? Bring back boxing? Bull-fighting? All for "WE" white men? Norm, meet Noam. The two of you can go watch "Bowling for Columbine", you make a lovely couple. Posted by: John Anderson at April 29, 2003 03:51 AM My Dad said to me: "Son, as you walk back past the barn yard, you'll see a jackass there. When he brays at you ... don't answer him!" Was Norman braying? Posted by: G. Chris Hamilton at April 29, 2003 08:58 AM Do I keep coming in and out of an alternative reality? Posted by: Warthog at April 29, 2003 09:12 AM Crackpots like Mailer depend on your not being able to remember past his last exacrable screed. Mailer rep was built on, let me see, could it be? Yeah, that's the ticket! A tome about the glories of ...WAR! (Oh, and something else about a firing squad in Utah) The good ol' war, where Blacks were janitors rather than officers. Maybe, just maybe, Bob Crawford is right. Norman is talking about his own silly desires. After all, he is white, isn't he? Posted by: J. Fillmore at April 29, 2003 09:34 AM Ask Norman about Jack Abbott. Back in 70's (or early 80's) Norm applied his deep insight to an imprisoned violent criminal who had done some writing in the jailhouse. Norm liked the writing. Norm mounted hue/cry media campaign to have Abbott sprung, under Norm acting as probation officer, so Norm could make Jack write and publish, and teach middle America doofus-culture the truth about political prisons in USA. Jack is free a few weeks when a waiter, a young kid 25 I think, made him mad at the restaurant where Jack was dining. Jack follows kid to back area, stabs him in stomach, kid dies. Jack goes back to prison. Norm apologizes to world. Kid's family stays permanently ruined. Kid stays permanently dead. Jack is forgotten. Norm "moves on" to other projects. End of story, alas. Posted by: Buddy at April 29, 2003 10:45 AM P.S. Norm's "apology" took the form of literary essay, which Norm sold on the market. Whole affair good career move for Norm, made him more real, gave him that street cred he craves. Dead kid died for Norm's greater glory, but, no problem, just some kid, probably didn't even speak French, besides, no Leftist Intellectual worth his salt worries about details, their ideas are always getting people killed, so what, there's plenty of proletariates around, whats a few dead or alive in the big picture, big deal. Posted by: Buddy at April 29, 2003 10:56 AM Thanks for noting this article, it is a lovely essay, it made me laugh a lot. Nobody takes Norman Mailer seriously as a commentator. He is good at what he does. He writes fiction. He makes up stuff to create an alternate reality with enough truth in it to catch you. Ignore it if you want, but what sticks with me is the question why did we go to war. I really don't know the answer. I'm glad we did. I remember that polls showed that like 75% of Americans believed Saddan was involved in 9/11. Also 75% believed Saddam was close to having nucleur weapons. Without ever actually lying, Bush encouraged us to believe these things, which the administration knew to be untrue. A 4/25 ABC news article says the administration purposefully misled the American people. I guess misled our Coalition allies as well. The real reason for the war was less specific. To quote the article: " The Bush administration felt that a new start was needed in the Middle East and that Iraq was the place to show that it is democracy — not terrorism — that offers hope." That is a good enough reason for me. It makes sense too. Posted by: marc at April 29, 2003 11:23 AM Marc, I have to ask you--and I've read lots of your comments, you are good, for sure--but, are you under any sort medical treatment for bipolar disorder? Posted by: Buddy at April 29, 2003 12:17 PM Yeah Norman...but we run the boardrooms and the great companies of the world....the others just play for our enhoyment! ---CAESER (Italian white man) Posted by: Dick D at April 29, 2003 12:56 PM If the shoe fits. . .what's the matter too close to the bone for y'all. . . This is good writing and good sarcasm. All you conservs and neo-conservs don't seem to have any problem when the mighty Rush is being sarcastic. . .Here he comes to save the day. . . Oh you Dudley Do Rights. . .stew in it. Posted by: Phil at April 29, 2003 02:14 PM Sorry Phil, You need better material than that to "bait the bear". Better luck next time. Posted by: whitecollar redneck at April 29, 2003 02:23 PM whitecollar redneck is right, Phil assumes we actually read the Mailer piece...which I for one didn't, as I knew what it was going to say even before the author did. No trick to it, read a few leftist statements, one on "evil America" and one on "How Stupid Conservatives Are", and presto, you know everything they have to say. After that, you never need to exert much effort beyond a quick scan, if you're interested in seeing how the latest news has been fixed-to-fit. Posted by: Buddy at April 29, 2003 02:54 PM Norman's irrelavance is the true issue here. This article was more of "Look at me! Over here! Hey where did everyone go?" He is no longer controversial or provocative. Merely old, sad, and disconnected. Posted by: whitecollar redneck at April 29, 2003 03:09 PM Buddy I assume you mean I am hard to label. I hope I am. 9/11 was something new, and many have changed to integrate it into their world view. In fact I am not interested in anybody who spouts their old ideas and adds 9/11 I told you so. Many Dems and Repubs changed dramatically. Remember how isolationist Bush was? Only one anti-war Dem candidate, amazing! Posted by: marc at April 29, 2003 05:05 PM Post a comment
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