In other words, Yuschenko was greatly sickened, but Viktor Yanukovych is dead.

He wasn't poisoned, and the Rudolfinehaus docs backed off that statement.

As a physician, poisoning makes absolutely no sense to me.

And the MD's at Rudolfinehaus -- they are either FOS or imposters, because nothing they say is logical from a medical standpoint.

Just because they SAY he was poisoned, doesn't make it so. They offered no proof (they HAVE no proof).


In fact, yesterday they said they have NO EVIDENCE of poisoning and they can't get Yushchenko in to do the ONE test that might give them an aswer: a skin biopsy.

Why?

Viktor doesn't want to campaign with a band-aid on his face (you know how disfiguring they are!)

Poisoning went out with Napolean ANYWAY.

But I've been saying this ALL ALONG at

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/


See:

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2004/12/csi_medblogs_po.html

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2004/12/csi_medblogs_up.html

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2004/12/csi_medblogs_me.html

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2004/12/csi_medblogs_th.html

http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2004/11/csi_medblogs_th_1.html


CodeBlueBlogMD

CodeBlueMD,
There is nothing illogical about not having any evidence yesterday and having it today, if I get your chronology correctly. Secondly, when I compare the two Yushenko pictures three months apart, and someone tells me that the reason for that is alcoholism - now, that's what I call nonsense.
I see no reason to conclude that he was poisoned by people working for Yanukovich or Putin or whoever, but I see even less reason to dismiss the poisoning hypothesis, physician or no physician.

Speaking of the future, I think it is way too early to bury Yanukovich - or, rather, the current Russia-backed regime. We don't know what these guys are capable of, but I know it's a lot, especially when we're talking about making a mess. The Russian regime's capabilities to create disaster are hard to overestimate.

When it comes to 'making no sense', phrases like "Poisoning went out with Napolean ANYWAY." take my breath away.

Being a medical doctor does not absolve you. You're either totally naive, or completely ignorant of history.

In my mind's eye, I see the security officer behind the woman screaming at the review board. It's testitmony from survivors of the sinking of the Kursk (in 2000, which was after Napolean, BTW). The security officer clearly raises a hypodermic needle over her head and brings it down in the woman's shoulder. The screaming woman falls in a heap. News cameras all over the room record the action.

No one knows more about poison than the former operatives of the KGB - do you think they swore some oath never to practice again?

CodeBlueMD, it's time to pull your nose out of the Lancet, stop blog writing for a moment and start reading history. Poison is still a dandy way to get rid of your enemies, and if it was good enough for Joe Stalin, it's good enough for Yushchenko.

Poisoning went out with Napoleon? How about Georgi Markov, a Russian dissident who was poisoned by a ricin infused pellet (425 micrograms) in 1978? Or the cult in Oregon who poisoned salad bars with botulism, trying to make people too sick to vote against their candidate?

On a non-political side, there's a case right now in Raleigh, NC, where a woman poisoned her husband. Oh, and if you read the MMWR (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report) from the CDC, you'll see that in 2001 there were 64 fatal poisoning homicides, and 7,628 non-fatal poisonings.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/ss/ss5307.pdf

Google, it's a wonderful thing....

"Poisoning? How gauche. How last week."

LOL

Well, poisoning may be passe', but it sure is popular, as the earlier posting noted. Just 200 yards from my home, a woman murdered here husband with antifreeze.
In this local case, as in the cae of Yushenko, the failure was the use of a poison which is easily detected, and exhibits well-known symptoms.
In my local case, the woman used an amount of antifreeze sufficient to do the deed.
In the case of Yushenko, the dioxin was insufficient.
I would look for the perpetrator of this poisoning to NOT be KGB related. Probably a leftist, since they have an irrational fear of the Dioxin. Unlike the press reports, Dioxin is not particularly poisonous when compared to other chlorinated pesticide-like materials.
Dioxin has the unique attributes of being unbelievably stable, and unbelievably detectable, both being due to the chlorine atoms in the molecule. The chlorine atoms act as a barrier to degradation of the cyclic hydrocarbon structure of the molecule, meaning it accumulates in nature. It is so detectable because the instruments used to detect Dioxins use the Chlorine atoms's affinity to beta emmissions from a radioactive source to find it. The preponderance of chlorine means that it can be detected at picogram quantities (trillionths of a gram).
What this means is that virtually any biological sample tested for this predominantly man-made compound will test positive for Dioxins.
What a positive test at sub part-per million levels actually means is where the envirnmentalist fearmongers come in. Many of them want us to do whatever it takes to remove Dioxins from the environment, so overplaying the believed toxicity of Dioxin helps their cause.

My thesis is that the poisoner of Yushenko either:

1. Was an environmentalist type who believes the hype and thought that microscopic quantities of Dioxin would kill him.

or

2. Wanted to use a poison which would be detected easily, so as to make the poisoning obvious.

Not sure which is true, but I lean toward #1.

Another hypothesis is that a disfiguring but not lethal poison was used so that Yanukovych would be guaranteed re-election without the embarassing questions that would certainly be asked if Yuschenko had dropped dead in the midst of campaigning.

They were talking about dioxin poisoning on NPR, and apparently dioxin has a half-life of 7-10 years in the body, it's not something they can just remove via dialysis or something. It can lead to cancer, organ failure, etc. Who ever did the deed, they have very likely shortened Yushenko's life.

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