..not only should we stop this genocide,damn the world for their agendas;doing what's right is my answer..Again I say send the impotent and resource wasting UN packing ...this organization is not worth the cost for the fuel it would take a bulldozer to level this organization..nothing but a collegiate debate society !

Westphalia is dead, killed by International Telecommunications and an increasing level of moral awareness in the first world.

We, and by that I probably mean the Anglosphere, have the power to act as the World's policeman, Pax Britanicca survived for centuries because there was no "Cold War", Pax Americana (Cold War over) now has the chance to develop.

Or do we say "All too difficult, we have no duty of care until they come Knocking on my door, or demolishing my buildings!!"

I think not, before 9/11 I really believed that my children would grow up in a peaceful world. After all their Dad had been part of the winning Cold War team, my side had fought and won in Malaya, Indonesia, Oman. We had fought the IRA to a standstill (and even managed to slow down their supply route from the USA).

Then out of the blue came GW1. We poured out our treasure and showed the world that Dictators and violence would not prevail. At last I was sure that my children would grow upo in a world of reason and peace. Sadly I was wrong, today we have a future of struggle for our children. It will be easier for them if we do not shirk the task, let us pass on a torch that is bright and moving forwards, not flickering and quietly going into the East.

I think that we have our hands plenty full right now. Not to be cruel, but if there are other people in the world that give a crap let them take care of something. Do we really want our forces fighting there? I don't. It's pretty well inevitable at this time we're going to have to do something about Iran, and probably Syria.
However, it is probably inevitable as Sudan is becoming another Islamofascist state right now.

Let the French, Chinese, NATO, UN, Germans, Brazilians, hell, anybody else, take care of just one problem. Does every problem in the world have to belong to the U.S.? And if so, why?

If the Europeans want to express their righteous indignation all the time let them fix this one. If it don't work we'll still be there to bail there sorry assess out.

I have to agree Chads. As I've stated elsewhere, this is a perfect opportunity for the international community to test its mettle.

But so far the signs have all been dismal.
What's happening in the Sudan is the net result of rampant islamo fascism. Anyone who wishes to imagine what life would be like if America loses the war on terror has only to read about the tragedy of the Sudan.

It's frustrating too that the left hasn't used all the energy that's so abundant when it comes to bush Bashing on getting some movement out of the UN et al.

On the cynical political side of things Bush should do something, a beau geste if you will and then call on Kerry to explain why the "international community" is unwilling to confront this disaster.

Should it be a part of the campaign, yeah, I think so.

I don't see how Bush can make a political issue out of the international community's reluctance to act, when he is reluctant to act himself. Isn't Bush the guy that insisted that we don't need no stinkin international communty? So if Sudan requires action, what is he waiting for? Maybe he should remind everybody how that preemptive war in Iraq is preempting U.S. action elsewhere . . . yeah, thats the ticket.

..hey guy`s turn the light on;the only balls in the world are red white blue, ( ok green)...

The Problem RDE, is Sudan is pretty much just a humanitarian problem. Now WMD's no big military's, shouldn't be any big deal. Get the Arab racist Islamofascists to stop shooting everybody else? Should be easy right? There are plenty of other countries who would have more strategic interests there than we would. Let them handle it.

Chads

Interesting article on NRO today about sudan. Come to find out, and this is shocking I know, FRANCE HAS OIL DEALS IN THE SUDAN.

Hmmmmm, now I'd really advocate making a political deal out of the "international community's" reluctance to do anything at all.

Is Bush reluctant, I imagine so. Should he be? yes. But the point here, dear pachyderm, isn't that he's reluctant it's that Kerry's allied himself with a group that is incapable of action.

The UN will do nothing because FRANCE HAS OIL CONTRACTS AND A VETO The EU has already decided this isn't genocide so they've taken themselves off the hook, who's left?

How many Rwanda's can the UN survive and still be the darling of the left?

Doesn't this situation, dear pachyderm, cause you to question the validity of the UN? Or are you just a rabid Bush hater without a thought of your own?

Let's see, France has oil deals in Sudan so it is incapable of action ?? Says who ?? And who said that Kerry allied himself with the French ?? He is no more (or less) allied with the French than Bush is.

The idea that France would veto action because it has oil contracts is absurd. Prove it.

The EU said it wasn't genocide, but the State Department just said essentially the same thing.

State Dept.: Sudan Genocide Hard to Prove

Wednesday August 11, 2004 11:01 PM


By BARRY SCHWEID

AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - As human rights groups demand action against Sudan, the State Department is informing Congress it is difficult to establish that the Khartoum government is trying to destroy the non-Arab community in Darfur.

And even if Secretary of State Colin Powell, who has been weighing a judgment for weeks, decides that Sudan and Arab-led militia in the province are committing genocide, the Bush administration would not be required to take legal action, the department said in an informal analysis obtained by The Associated Press.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4411963,00.html

The UNSC just passed the resolution the U.S. asked it to pass (with a minor modification). If the UN is not doing enough then neither is the Bush administration. It is that simple, no how much you want to spin it, Skipper.

I'll say again, let somebody else handle it. If France has oil contracts there, let them clean it up. There is no reason for the U.S. to be the worlds babysitter. We've got our hands full dealing with problems that are an actual threat to U.S. interests. If the fighting in Sudan threatens French interests, let them handle it. There is no reason for the U.S. to be their. It just reinforces the role of U.S. as bully to the world. We have much better reasons to be in Iran and Syria, and we will be there loooooong before we are in Sudan, I would guess.

Chads

I don't quarrel with that view, Chads. My issue is with those who criticize the international community but give Bush a pass for doing essentially the same thing.

I don't see anybody giving Bush a "pass" on the issue. This problem didn't just pop up, it's been going on for some time. It's just politically convenient to bring it up at this time as a way to criticize Bush. After the election, nobody will care again.

Chads

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