Thanks for the news, guys! Keep up the good work!

Howzabout you find us some nerve gas or something in Iraq to shut up all the b.s. artists and quit telling us stuff we all knew a long time ago?

There a bunch of Terrorists out there, including the domestic sort, who are "ready to use nukes."

They don't have them.

Don;

You say that like its a bad thing!

DON ! You are SO with it! GEEESH. You got this inside scoop on spookspeak too, don't ya? Remember how I was talkin' about cookin' up 10 cans of Raid? DON't try it, okay? Somebody might label you a terrorist.
Of course, al Qaeda didn't obtain any training in Iraq, and Saddam never had any WMD's either, did he? The CIA is comprised of more liars than the CABAL, so you're right on Don. NOT.

Whew-glad we got that report just in time to scare us away from the WMD sham exposure. I wonder if they got the nuclear material from the nuclear dumpsites that we refused to guard in Iraq so they could be looted right under our noses. hmmmm By the way-old GW himself is ready to use nukes too! Well, mini nukes that is. How cute.

Turnip: please cite the source of your statement that we "refused to guard" nuclear dumpsites in Iraq. Besides the sources close to your imagination, produce a link that backs up your charges.

Until you do, two can play at your game:

Turnip, did you know that your liberal Democratic buddies, Clinton voters all, tried to blow up San Francisco's city hall? Yeah, the cops found explosive materials in several "peace" marcher's backpacks. Did you know that these "peace" marchers also planned, and executed, a series of looting and robbing incidents in the city? What did the Democrats who run the city do about all this? Nothing! Why? Could they have been in on the plots? What did they know and when did they know it? Why hasn't there been an investigation? Because all their friends run the police and the DA's office? It's a coverup I tell ya, and somebody made a lot of money from the whole thing, probably Howard Dean.

GEEEESH! I'm beginnin' to see a pattern developin' here. Don'll drop a thread like a hot rock, once he figures there's a logic argument standin' in the way of doom, death and chaos. Go figure.

So the war on terror, the extermination of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the fragmentation of Al Quaeda cells, the war against irak has solved exactly nothing? Obviously.

Wonder what they would have without that? H-Bombs a carrierfleet and the 7 apocalyptic riders?

Gosh, Al Quaeda is only a terror group. Bin Laden is very likely dead and you people still piss in your pants if you hear his name.

It's frightening what a small group of people can achieve if they are strong willed.

This all is panic, not a reasonable observation of real existing dangers. They can only win that way if they are able to set off a stampede of mindless frightened people like the US citzens seem to be now.

You need good Intelligence, endurance and a working criminal prosecution to hold them down, not marching Armies around the world.

No matter if you believe the war proved anything or not. the fact of the matter is that we provided a massive show of force and unleashed that force so that the world will not forget who we are. Good or bad we must continue to do this from time to time. So what if you think we are bullies. The bully always has lunch money. So all of you that are on the critisism platform there are plenty of americans who are willing to do the the job that some are to coward to do. If there are nukes in the wrong hands, simple cut off both hands.

nobodywantoknow:

Your English has certainly improved since yesterday, did you take an overnight course at Berlitz?

Turnip, you do your liberal comrades proud. It's refreshing to be reminded that it was mostly liberals who joined the communist(with a lower case c, just like liberal) party in the days before the USSR went Chapter 11. If we went along with your ilk here in America, we would end up a commie dictatorship within ten years, because if you look at all your kind espouse, it certainly isn't the kind of freedom this country was founded on.

Maybe you should move to Beijing.

John D. Tampering around with nukes is a very bad thing, you easy can get a hit in a war.

Of course SK would be probably an insula after this, but Hawaii also could be history after this. Wonder if the people there would like to pay the price you generous suggest.

Only beatniks need to demonstrate from time to time how strong they are. It's simply crude behaviour and not needed. Everyone know what a danger the USA can be.

The USA is IMHO close to be an military dictatorship instead of beeing a democracy.
Well there is still hope, but only few.

Unilateralism is not a working option to bring peace to the world. Also you can't bring peace to the world with weapons or wars. This is like a Hydra, for each head you cut off with a war two new will grow.

Napoleon tried to unite Europe, with weapons, and we know he failed.

Anyway, it's time for you Americans to learn it on the hard way, and this way will become hard.
I feel pitty about the many lives this will cost over the next 2 or 3 decades, American lives and of course every other lives.

There are enough Countries who are not impressed from the brute demonstration of Force the USA have shown. Armies are one way to win a conflict. There are many other.

Hey Nobody;

I guess that I will believe it when I see it. You say that there are other ways...

Interesting. Would you perhaps like to share then with the class?

Also, define 'an insula' for us please.

This is an honest question; where is there a history book reference to 'other' methods besides war? Sure, diplomacy. What is wrong with that? How about international cooperation? If you say you are against terrorism, then you are actually for fighting the terrorists.

How are you against the terrorists?

What is so great about your countries 'tried and true' methods? Is your country any freer than mine?

I would say that if you tried but now the US is involved, then by definition, your country did not erradicate terrorism.

Spin it any other way you want, Mr. Nobody, but I think that you just don't like the US. Guess what?

I don't think the US gives a rats ass what you or your 'former colonialist' country thinks. Actually we do... We want YOU to QUAKE IN YOUR PUDDLE every time the United States of America is mentioned. We also want you poor sniveling ungrateful bastards to slime back into the hole you crawled out of, but we will settle for your country paying attention to what the US says and then what it does! Do yourself a great big favor and not cause the US a lot of trouble... We take a lot to piss off, but don't tread lightly on us! Just be thankful; we aren't kicking YOUR ASS!

M'kay?

Thanks for sharing... Have a nice day, now!

No need to criticize Nobodywanttoknow's English. He's obviously not a native speaker. Judging by the occasional Capitalization of Nouns, he's German.

It's better to criticize his arguments. How's this for example: people in the peace at all costs camp reliably forget every historical precedent that exists demonstrating that peace cannot be maintained without military force, or the credible threat of using miliatry force. Nobodywanttoknow, can you tell me what's the German word for "Hitler"?

Europeans, who have decided over the last few decades to dismantle their militaries while letting the U.S. fight their wars (Bosnia, Kosovo), find it easy to adopt a holier-than-thou attitude about this.

To use a more recent example, what do you think about the war in Afghanistan, Nobody? Do you not agree that was justified?

Not bad PJ, but yesterday I called him an 'evil double agent'!

I am just warming up, but perhaps I went a little overboard. I am sorry. OK? ;-(

I guess I'm so new to this that I just go to water over a 'Nobody'... They have a right to hold thier manhoods cheap, they weren't there with us!

Actually, neither was I. I was in Kiaserslautern!

Hey devils chewtoy,

I wasn't referring specifically to you. I actually rather enjoyed your post.

I have had the privilege of living in Kaiserslautern for the last year or so myself - that's why I turn to the web for almost all my news.

I like Germany, but wish the Euros would drop the sanctimonious, condescending attitude they so commonly adopt. Many of us Americans are more educated and more thoughtful than they are.

Not to mention better looking and better in bed.

HEY GUYS!

I've been doin' a bit of grammatical studyin' here, and my inquiring mind wants to know:

NOBODYWANTTOKNOW - Where in the hell are you from? 'Gosh', that sounds kinda CAish to me. Berlitz? Crash course in, what? 10 seconds?

Your arguments stinketh. Did I put that goodly, DT?
I sure as hell hope so. It's way early to be having to deal with recalcitrants.

Insula means island. Nobody is suggesting that we'll nuke NK underwater.

It's Latin, though, so there are a few choices:

1. Nobody's part of some obscure country I've never heard of that uses Latin as its native language (unlikely)

2. Nobody speaks a romance language that has kept insula. This isn't French, Spanish, or Italian. (possible)

3. Nobody's using an extensive and occasionally inaccurate translation dictionary, or just chose the wrong word from a multiple-meanings translation (my bet).

I give him a lot of credit, it's tough stuff to argue in a secondary language.

I think the "we need to show we're still strong from time to time" argument is, as Nobody suggests, rather silly.

More accurate for describing America's situation is that we need to respond forcefully when our strength is challenged.

"...we need to respond forcefully when our strength is challenged."

I agree with this comment, but in my opinion, you did not state it strongly enough. I'm Dad to 4 great AMERICAN kids. I don't want them growing up in a climate of fear. I say that when we "respond forcefully," we do so such that the grandkids of these idiots that would attempt such heinous acts quake in their boots at the mere mention of the name of the GREATEST COUNTRY ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH--EVER!

& that's all I got to say about that...

i grew up in a climate of fear.
bullies at school were a lot scarier each day than a terrorist. at least when there are terrorists you have friends who are scared too.

Bah. Don't get me started on our school system.

To Foobar, I say amen.

Well guys it's anyway if you like my grammatic or not. What i try to achieve is to make you think one step deeper as most of you usually do.

Yep i'm german, but mainly an European. Hitler btw was a born Austrian :p and of course a mass murder, no doubt about this. He led an preemtive strike on Poland because he feared to be attacked from Poland (he said so), just like the US did with Irak (the US said they feel threatened from Irak).

Both claims were without legal cause IMHO. Of course there are diffrencies between both cases, but if the US can claim to lead an preemptive strike against a country, why do you think other countries will not do the same? Even dictatorship used this as an excuse to launch an agressive war for other reasons.

The US claim they did it to find WMD's. Well until now we have very little evidence this claim was right. Don't get me wrong, i like the result to a degree, so it's good Saddam is gone. The point for us Europeans is how it happened. Unilateral more or less and against the UN decision. This whole war had almost broke the NATO. One of the results out of this will be Europe founded seperate Troops that will not be part of the Nato.
I don't think the Pentagon is very happy about this.
Btw i like the idea of European Forces. I think the NATO will be history sooner or later, mainly because the US don't trust us Europeans any longer. I would like if ALL US Forces withdraw from Germany and all US bases would close. You still could use NATO bases with permission of course only.

PJ German ECM Tornados were the spine of any Air attacks led on Serbia, they silenced the AA-Spots.
German AWACS led your fighter to their destinations. We still have peacekeeping troops in Kosovo and in Afghanistan. So shut up.

There are many ways to lead a war as example i think we have since several years trade wars.
The Euro is on the way to become not only a Federal Reserve currency for many countries (instead of the Dollar of course) but also Oil start to be Traded in Euro. This has a far larger impact as you can imagine on the US economy and especially on the Euro Dollar parity. In the 1st Gulf war the dollar bounced right after the war back to his former value. This time the Dollar kept his losses and the Euro rised to former unknown highs.
Draw your conclusions out of this. BTW Iran has changed his Federal reserve currency to Euros and several other countries did the same.

Many people in Europe think the US-Administration try to split the Europeans to avoid a Multipolar world. I can assure you we will not stay beside and watch this. The EU has already 450 million citizens and with the 12 new countries we will be far larger than the USA. This is true for citizen numbers AND for gross national product.
You will see very soon a diffrent Europe, and you will have a lot to swallow the next decades.
France just started to flex their muscles in Kongo, with an UN mandate. And exactly this is the diffrence.

I'm sure the US leader are well aware that change caused also from introducing the Euro as currency.
Or in other word if you still haven't got it, Europe will be in a few years your largest nightmare if you don't cooperate with us.
It's not yet a military threat, but it's economically. Some decades in future it can also be a military threat of course. We just started to realign our Military structures and Industry.

This war in Iraq, and especially the unilateral action the US have taken, was like a wakeup call to Europe. This will change the world more you can imagine now.

So to a degree i'm very thankful for the US attack without UN backup on Iraq. This helps to unite Europe faster than it would be possible otherwise.
We will be the antipole to the US, to keep balance in the World. Multilateral as way we have learned from history and from the process of the European unification.
We will be there and watch you, like good parents always do with their childs.

The only reason terrorists have power is because we're scared of them? They think that because they are willing to die for there cause they are somehow going to scare us? OHMAHA,GUADALCANAL,CORRIGADOR,BULLRUN, BELLA WOOD, IWO JIMA,CHOSIN RESERVOIR,GETTYSBURG,LEXINGTON, HARPERS FERRY,ARDENNES FOREST,FT.WAGNER/54THMA, ECT,ECT,ECT. WHO DO THESE DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS THINK THEIR FOOLING WITH?

This we will have to see.
Don't put all your marks on it, Nobody, make sure you hedge against the dollar.
The European Union is like a new club, and it's got a few inept governments at its core. It hasn't been tested yet, not for real. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
Two years from now, the European Union might be like the aftermath of the Tower of Babel, a complete goatfuck, begging Uncle Sam once again, as has long been a European tradition, for help.

Mr, nobody;

Its good to see you again my fine german friend. I have absolutely no doubt that deep down to your german core, you cannot stand to see one group of auslanders, can you?

We have lived with it for many more years than we have fathered your nueduetschland.

Yes, we cared for you and fed you and protected you from all of those real bad monsters to your East. I can easily see your mothers cliimbing in bed with Ivans and Morocivichs! Yeah, Polish masters! Thing about you germans is that you never could stand the french, barely stand the english and never could stand the poles, the Maraks, the Slavs, or could you barely hold your disdane for your neighbor and former empire Austria. I would not even mention the Russians!

How does it feel to be swarming with Turks?

Thats it, get all nationalistic on us now, wont you?

Can anyone say, universal healthcare?

How can I immigrate? I want to serve der miester race and be an Ubber mensch too!

nobody,

I do not disagree that Europe has made contributions to peacekeeping forces in the Balkans and even in Afghanistan. I thank you heartily. For now, I'll leave the issue of the relative value of those contributions compared to what the U.S. has done.

My biggest issue with the desire for a so-called "multipolar" world is that the people who seem to be its strongest proponents (say Chirac) are knee-jerk anti-Americans who seem to desire a multi-polar world only to be contrary to the U.S. They side with third world dictators routinely, seemingly for the express purpose of spiting the U.S. and Britian. The pictures of Chriac kissing up to Mugabe and Saddam are nauseating.

For the last 100 years the U.S. has been the world's economic and military powerhouse. Those last 100 years have been a wonderful, dynamic period in history. We have seen unprecedented growth in wealth, improvement in health care, lifespan, working conditions, you name it. And the U.S. deserves some credit for this. The few exceptions to this pattern (Nazism, Stalin) were destroyed in no small part because the U.S. brought to bear our economic and MILITARY strength to fight them.

Sure, we made some mistakes along the way (Vietnam, supporting a few right-wing dictators), but even our mistakes were well intentioned. Maybe there is an element of overreaction to the current war on terrorism.

But history has proven time and time again the necessity of the judicious use of military force. Do you disagree with this fact?

What will the multi-polar world envisioned by Chirac look like? Will he attempt to hobble the U.S.'s military interventions, and to what end?

Fortunately, I think there's a long way to go before the EU has a credible military force, especially since the only European country with the slightest ability to project military power outside of its borders is Great Britain, and they have made very clear recently that their commitment to NATO and the U.S. is stronger than their commitment to the EU.

P.S. I take your statement about Hitler to be facetious. Hitler may have been born in Austria, but we was fully German.

Bloody 'ell, Nobody, do you mean to tell me that it is Europe's goal to do to the world what the US has done to itself? Polarize into two camps, where the only camp allowed to form an opinion is the one who gets there first, as the other camp must immediately take the opposite opinion?