It may die as a 'visual' horror for the media but it will live on as a religious one for muslims all over the globe. The precise way that a "kufir" is beheaded is demanded by mohammed(MHBIH) himself and is considered a old (and should have been forgotten)ritual by the followers of islam the world over. You see it is how you deal with kufir (kafir, kuf'r, ect), the only thing that is missing is the placing of the head on a spear along the road facing the direction of the rest of those you intend to behead. To the west the video's is a nightmare, a grisely unwarrented act of torturous death metted out by monsters. To the followers of islam the message is slightly more unnerving, 'These are our slaves, this is how you deal with them when they become uppity'.

If all they were going for was shock value then they would take some western women and kids and shove them through a shredder.

For more information heres something i came across (from LGF): http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13371

It is as much as a part of islam as the Quran and the daily prayers. Be ready for when they start making towers out of the skulls.

Funny. I thought the Nick Berg tape was a proven fake.

Did they ever find the body of the guy in Saudi Arabia?

Intriguing how the Nick Berg tape was the top searched topic on the internet, then there is this rash of "beheadings".

Do muslim people get the internet? I thought most of the muslim world was too poor to afford computers.

Hey Happeh,

Not sure what you are getting at here. I dont put it past any idealogical fanatics to go around beheading people.

As for these "rash" of beheadings, Happeh, would you at least agree to this: Fake or not, the frenzy over the Nick Berg tape shows that its a good publicity stunt to appear to behead someone.

As for your witty "I thought most of the muslim world was too poor to afford computers", I think you are making a non-point. Besides, I think most middle class persons of any country can at least afford to access the Internet via an Internet Cafe every once in awhile.

And for those of you picking on Islam about beheadings, dont forget that the Old Testament is filled with God-given decrees for wholesale genocide in the name of the Chosen People. I am not dissing Jews, but I am saying dont be so quick to single out Islam as some murderous religion. Alot of religions seem to do that and one point or another.

Happeh, enlighten me (serious comment) show me where the beheading was proven to be a fake. I've not heard that story put around.

Villageidiot, you are of course correct, much of the ancient Judaic/ Christian history reflects a God that shows no mercy to his enemies. Thankfully as a Christian (albeit a poor one), I recognise a new Testament. My Jewish friends tell me that there have been no revelations to Prophets they recognise, ordering Death and Destruction to the Pagans. Sadly , the third great religion to come from the ME believes in values that Christians and Jews abandoned hundreds if not thousands of years ago. The Christian faith , has a poor track record of tolerance and coexistence, however we have (largely) matured in our vision and faith. Long may we continue in our toleration of other faiths.
I am certain that (barring some idiot sects) the Judeo/ Christians of this world have no desire to kill or subjucate all "Non believers", sadly the same is not true of "Islam" as portrayed by the current crop of extremists.
Radical Islam has become a malignant growth which threatens not only Islam but the whole world. race. We now have two choices, self healing via the good works of Moderate Islam (White blood cells), or the surgeons blade (Western Crusade) and I use the word advisedly.

The pyramid of skulls story is actually something that happened to the muslim inhabitants of Nishapur during the Mongol invasion of 1218 to 1221 uder the leadership of the pagan Jenghiz Khan. The following account is recorded by noted Penn State historian Arthur Goldschmidt Jr. in his classic tome, A Concise History of the Middle East:

The atrocities perpetrated by the Mongol armies defy description: They slaughtered 700,000 inhabitants of Merv; their engineers broke the dams near Gurganj to flood the city after it had been taken; they poured molten gold down the throat of a Muslim governor; they carried off thousands of Muslim artisans to Mongolia as slaves; most of them dying on the way; they stacked the heads of Nishapur's men, women and children in pyramids; and they even killed dogs and cats in the streets. The Mongol aim was to parlyze the Muslims with such fear that they would never dare fight back.

Then along comes the Khan's grandson Helegu in 1259-1260 who pillages his way to Damascus which gave up without a fight. From Damascus he dispatched his envoys to Cairo with this message:

You have heard how we have conquered a vast empire and have purified the earth of the disorders that tainted it. It is for you to fly and for us to pursue, but whither will you flee, and by what road will you escape us? Our horses are swift, and our arrows sharp, our swords like thunderbolts, our hearts as hard as mountains, our soldiers as numerous as the sand. Fortresses will not detain us. We mean well by our warning, for now you are the only enemy against whom we have to march.

"And for those of you picking on Islam about beheadings, dont forget that the Old Testament is filled with God-given decrees for wholesale genocide in the name of the Chosen People. I am not dissing Jews, but I am saying dont be so quick to single out Islam as some murderous religion. Alot of religions seem to do that and one point or another." - VillageIdiot at June 23, 2004 05:33 AM


Oh your abstolutely correct, with the exception of very few almost all religions and branches from those religions have in thier history some sort of prophacy for a 'armegeddon' type holywar that showes thier people comming out on top and ruling the rest of the planet as slavemasters(hindu, confussism and buddism being exceptions). The difference (for most) is that religions such as modern judaism and christianity/catholosism is that they evolved out of thier basic text. Things arent taken literally any more, we dont follow the rules on slave ownership, we dont stone the adulteresses according to such and such chapters. Asside from a few 'rituals' here and there the old holy text is taken as a guidlines and not set of rules that have to be followed verbatim. There are exceptions (Dr. Laura, some VERY strict jewish sects in ohio, ahumish, some sects of islam, ect) that try to bring back or never let go the exact wording of the text and strive to keep reality as it was when the words were written. These people are lost in the words and not the message.

CapNdoc will drop a prayer here and there, and im sure he goes to church every sunday, but hes not advocating the stoning of homesexuals, or demanding that we follow the parts of the bible that clash with the "rule of man" that we have in this country. He is just an example of what modern religion has (and should) become.

IMHO, in the words of my favorite muslim lesbian: "islam needs to evolve".

Ronin,

What makes you think Islam can evolve?

Cancer DOES NOT evolve. It just kills.

The big question is will enough of it evolve before it gets nukes. Well i guess now that i think about it that question has already been answered to a degree.

Pakistan! Theres alot of diehard taliban loving muslims in pakistan, theres also the largest number of "modern thinking" muslims in pakistan. If not they would have nuked india by now, or us. Oh im sure its come close, and pakistan has lightyears to go still culterally. But the simple fact that their entire country isnt moving into iraq and afghanastan to fight us shows that maybe there is some hope left, and im not even an optimist.

Village Idiot says:

"but I am saying dont be so quick to single out Islam as some murderous religion. Alot of religions seem to do that and one point or another."

Your moral equivalency breaks down when the very real concept of time is introduced. While the Old Testament may have those exhortations the focus is on the word "Old". The fact that Christianity has moved beyond that and Islam has not is the point in the year 2004. There is no moral equivalency in Jewish ritual from 4,000 years ago to Islamic acts today- none whatsoever.....none.

Has Paul Jphnsons body been found and where and the date

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