LaaaaaaaaaaLaLaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaLAAAA!

(Fat lady)

If the CIA found out that Bin Laden was traveling in a particular vehicle & had the capacity to take out the vehicle, I'd expect them to do so. (the fact that such an opportunity apparently actually happened during the '90s and was delayed by red tape until it was too late is more the pity)

Given that Hamas is Israel's al-Qaeta, I have no problem with this. Heck, Hamas' own literature documents its dedication to total war with Israel, who can criticize from a moral perspective if the Israelis finally decided to accept their challenge?

Whether this is a tactically wise move is more debatable, I think. This just seems like another step in decapitating Hamas in the leadup to withdraw from Gaza and the West Bank. I don't know if there's much more the Palestinian supporters in Europe and elsewhere can do that they didn't already do in response to Yassin's assasination.

I also wonder if this will make Hamas appear weak and ineffectual to its funders, and supporters, if they don't respond very soon and in a big way after Israel just took out their two top leaders.

Ya beat me to it. ;)
4 in Dead Pool.

it will never end.

Physician, don't heal thyself!

Who's next, who's next?

Nope, I don't want to be the leader of Hamas, the next thing you know the damm Jews are sticking a bomb in your back side. This is really prejudiced, why don't they just go after my dumb ass followers like they used to and leave us leaders alone.

A G E . E . E . . E E E G E A (ad nauseam)

(For the non-musicians, that's the bass line of "Another one bites the dust" :-)

By the way, if you're a disciple of Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler, now is the time to send a pizza to IDF.

what are the odds that this will stop the suicide bombings?

0?

Next Up ---- soon!

Hezbollah Leader Hassan Nasrallah in Lebanon and the main Hamas political Leader currently cowering under the table in Syria. He is so scared I have forgotten his name.

What are the odds this will disrupt Hamas's suicide-bombing operations? 100%? Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, 'x'.

I do believe that we should give the terrorists what they want ... a one way, fully paid for, ticket to paradise. Let's see, that's three dead or four, times 72 virigns each ... let me get out my calculator ... I hope the virgin union doesn't go on strike today.

oh, and I guess Allah "wasn't" willing today!!!!

Good news indeed.

I challenge X to give a high level (small paragraph) plan on how Israel should resolve this issue. His two bits are usually half-baked. Let's see what his four bits look like.

What do you call two dead Hamas leaders?

A good start.

BarCodeKing asked: "Who’s next, who’s next?"

Everyone who shows up for his funeral.

Supposedly, his wife was also in the car. But no parts of her could be found.

Laurence Simon-
You're right. Pizza dispatched. Good idea.

Excellent! He'll be roomies with Yassin.

The IDF was off slightly on the timing of the missile strikes. The 2 missiles hit within 10 seconds of each other.

Now if they would fire the first missile, then wait (say 10 minutes), THEN drop a 2000 pound JDAM on the same spot... :D Now THAT would go a long way towards winning the war on terror.

But all in all: GOOD SHOOTING IDF!

This is great news. Congrats on the good shooting, IDF!

Extra funny is that this guy stepped up and claimed the leadership after Yassin got greased. Good thinking, Doctor! (Altho seriously he was a target already I'm sure.)

I'll betcha Arafat had to change his Depends when he got this news.

And X, or x, I think it may stop some suicide attacks. There are much fewer generals than foot soldiers. Why do you think our snipers look for people exhibiting leadership characteristics? Because they DON'T think it makes a difference? (sarcasm) Thanks for playing Rantisi's advocate tho.

Hey Constantine, finally someone who's on the same page. I've always wondered why they don't drop a firecracker round or two on the car swarm.

just doing what the half-baked leftists here would like to do to Bush! Congrats IDF-- its a good example for us.

Greg: I agree- the IDF can claim it was a "secondary explosion". Must have been one of the "Body by Semtex" vests they were handing out to the kids.

“We condemn in strongest possible terms this Israeli crime of assassinating Dr. Rantisi. This is state terror, and the Israeli government is fully responsible for the consequences of this action,” Palestinian Cabinet minister Saeb Erekat said.

HAH! what a crock of shyte.

this was kinda funny too.


During the mourning period for Yassin, Rantisi was defiant about Israel's threats against him.

"We will all die one day. Nothing will change. If by Apache or by cardiac arrest, I prefer Apache," he said.

George W has it right: the muslims are HEAVILY dependent on their leadership, and when a leader is taken out, it is very difficult to replace him.

This is the beauty behind the IDF and their directed strikes at the leaders. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ISRAEL SUCESSFULLY EXPLOITING THE MAJOR WEAKNESS OF THE MUSLIMS.

America take note!

What are the odds anything else will stop the suicide bombings?

O

The Israelis are f*cked by their very existence. They can be sure to stop the bombings only by ceasing to exist: either dying or moving somewhere else (though I'm not sure the latter would work perfectly either).

Who in hell will be replace him? er ah.. Who that will soon be in hell will be replace him?

Another goblin down.

Now to go to Amish Tech Support and watch Laurence do a happy dance.

This is no place on this earth that the jews could relocate to that thier enemies wouldnt follow them. To be honest thier only solutions are death or genocide. Since neither of those are realisticly plausible that leaves minimizing dammage by all means neccisary.

Hey constantine if you and america want to take on all muslims count me out. what are you some sort of sick christian jihadist?

this is a war against terror not the fourth crusade you spaz

I've said it before - giving these goons the martyrdom they beg for only can make countries safer.

At this point why don't we just come out and enlist Israel as an ally in the fight against terror. Who we afraid of: Muslims going nuts? they are doing that anyway.

Hey constantine if you and america want to take on all muslims count me out. what are you some sort of sick christian jihadist?

this is a war against terror not the fourth crusade you spaz

What do you suppose will happen now to the hostages in Iraq?

Strike two!!

Getting Israel to join the WoT is a great idea. They seem to be able to actually kill their targets.

I nominate Arafat as the new leader of Hamas. Strike three coming!

“We will all die one day. Nothing will change. If by Apache or by cardiac arrest, I prefer Apache,” he said. posted by matt ---- too bad they couldnt have made him die from cardiac arrest, then.

I think you may be missing the point, "berzerker unit alpha".

I don't think that Constantine, along with America, wants to take on all muslims.

He only wants to take on the muslims that want to kill us. And I suspect that if you want to identify with all our enemies that are seeking to destroy us, then he wants to take you out too.

The only option is to cower in front of and surrender to the muslims that want to kill us. And for Constantine, and myself, that's not an option.

Given Bin Laden's recent comments re: Yassin, and the fact that Rantisi was reigned in by Hamas in Lebanon, it stands to reason the the locus of terrorist planning and control has shifted ouside Gaza and the West Bank.

The challenge now is to further tighten security for Jews outside Israel in anticipation of an asymetrical revenge attack.

X -
And what are the odds that doing nothing would stop the suicide bombings?

Less than 0.

well i suggest that you watch your wording. Im all for the sharon action. I think that we should take note, perhaps we should take things up a notch. But some serious consideration should be had if you are blind enough to think that ALL muslims want to kill us.

So the point has not been missed obi won kenobi!

However if muslims are your enemy than you are missing the point, and your are blind bigot. I do not identify with our enemies, i do identify with muslim culture. So if that is the case...bring it on.

Neutralize the terrorist: and there is no more terror.

X, do me a favor and stay at least (insert Hellfire blast radius here) away from me.

Thanks.

Wow. Quite a double-play. Of course, this will be condemned as "unhelpful," but I'm moved to ask: for whom?

The funny part is, they will claim this harms the peace process.

Actually, this sort of targeted assination is really a step forward for the human race. Proper diplomacy would demand a formal declaration, a huge war with zillions of dead, and then a peace wherein each party plots their next war. This really i s progress.

Now, Israel shouldn't complain if Hamas get Sharon. Its just the new game. Kill the leaders instead of the followers. There might be song in there somewhere.

Joel

If the Israelis keep killing these guys off as fast as they get put in charge, d'ya think the Palis will finally get the idea that they might maybe need to start talking instead of bombing?

Rebecca-

If the Palestinians keep up the suicide bombings, d’ya think the Israelies will finally get the idea that they might maybe need to start talking instead of bombing?

The Israelis are damned if they do and damned if they don't. So good for them.

I can't tell you how many people I heard in the run up to the Iraq war last year saying things like Why don't they just kill Saddam? They could assasinate him if they wanted to. This is really about oil blah blah blah. It's no different here.

I'll be sticking my pins in the Arafat doll.

Bastage, you have got to fucking be kidding me.

Worst.Moral Equivelancy.Ever.

Bastage wrote "If the Palestinians keep up the suicide bombings, d’ya think the Israelies will finally get the idea that they might maybe need to start talking instead of bombing?"

I hope not. Every Hamas leader's funeral should be wiped out. The shame is, the Palestinians should be doing the killing of Hamas supporters, but I won't hold my breath- criticizing Hamas is a great way for a Palestinian to get him/herself killed.

If FDR or Churchill had had a chance to kill everybody at a Nazi leader's funeral rally, they would have. And they would have been right.

So.
Taking the leaders out that convince their own kids to die for them - is NOT a good idea?

(Not completely a rhetorical question.)

Leaves those in the middle to figure out what kind of a future awaits them.

I'd say they have to look at the fork in the road and choose - Life or Death?

Destruction of leadership leads to both infighting and degrating of capabilities. Everytime a terrorist leader or a master bomb maker dies, their capabilities fall in terms of both sucessful attacks and the extent of that damage. If Hamas is shown to be an ineffective organization with them being on the recieving end of a zero sum game, then other people and organizations with arise with new and preferably nonviolent tactics that might and just might learn and decide that in a war of complete genocide they'll lose. So each targeted assasination leads to less total deaths and possibly steps closer towards peace.

"If FDR or Churchill had had a chance to kill everybody at a Nazi leader's funeral rally, they would have."

You have this exactly right. The Pals can't just invade territory for lebensraum and expect Western nations to approve. WTF?? Murderers. They are murderous animals with no right to that land.

I find it incredible when people complain that the U.S. was not on 'war-footing' prior to 9/11, and then have the tamarity to judge Israel's tactics in dealing with its constant war. The IDF is constantly on war-footing and acts appropriately to usurp the strength of its enemy.

Will this end suicide bombers- unfortunately not...But will it disrupt, send a message, and defang the enemy- absolutely. The world is better off without killers like Rantisi around.

Whoa, you who are bloodthirsty suckers. How would you like having your homeland taken away from you by force at times? As the Israelis did in the late 1940s when they forced out the Palestines. How would you like to the the land (the West Bank) you and your ancestors have lived on for thousands of years illegally squatted on and taken away form you by alien foreigners as the Israelis have done? If you say the Israelis have the right to defend themselves, don't the Palestinians have the right to defend their land and themselves?

Is there any possibility that Arafat could be next? Would that be good or bad? I know these sound like stupid questions, but I don't know that much about the strategies that get tossed around by intelligence and military types. It seems so common sense to me. Defeat the enemy. Totally.

Does anyone know what kind of missile is used in these strikes? We found a kitten today and I would like to celebrate this happy day by naming the kitten after this tool of justice.

DEATH TO TERRORISTS!

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yay willfull ignorance

who started 48? was it that all of israel's neighbours plus plus declared war as soon as un mandate ended?

that they encouraged pal to flee so they could take the jews homes after they had all been killed? that the arab countries refused to resettle pals, and instead kept them in camps, while israel has always welcomed any jew that wanted to move there, provides assistance, and even actively recruits people to make aliyah (SP?)?

and who is vowing to kill everyone on the other side? who explicitly targets civilians, and who apologizes if innocents are killed in their strikes on leadership and terrorists?

which side provides economic opportunities to the other (stupidly)?

go back to DU and practice your salutes, your hero's birthday is coming up next week....

GAZE!

restlesstoad asked "Does anyone know what kind of missile is used in these strikes?"

I believe it's the SNURB T-104 Hell Brick.
(Borrowed from Tim Blair. http://timblair.spleenville.com/)

Hey.

Who took the mandated land in the first place? The Zionists. I think you will find that the Israelis intended to force out the Arabs/Palestinians from the get-go. It did not have to do with other Arab nations' military threats or actions.

Your argument that because other Arab nations would not resettle the forced out Palestinians is dumb. That doesn't justify Israel's stealing the land of the Palestinians.

I don't condone civilian deaths. But does it make in difference for the dead whether they are killed by being targeted as you allege or as the Israelis do, just kill them as they are in the way, i.e. just shoot kids and women, fire missile into crowded civilian areas just to get a Hamas member.

What kind of idiot justification is appologizing for Israeli troops killing babies, children and other non-combatants? Does that make Israel then right to murder those people. Israel is on Palestinian land doing all its killing.

Of course Israel welcomes Jewish people and recruits them, that was the purpose of creating Israel. I'm fine with that, but I disagree with the action of Israel stealing the Palestinians' land and water, making them aliens in there own land and making them beggers and non-humans. You have a problem with that?

Whatever DU is I don't belong.

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Your history is in error. 'Palestine' has had a combination of Jews, Arabs and Christians living there for the last 2000 years, very sparsely populated. The population started spiking up in the late 1800's when the Zionist movement started settling the land, bringing in irrigation, hospitals, etc. The 'palestinians' were just Jordanians and Syrians and Egyptians who moved to Palestine because they found working for the Jews more profitable than farming.

In 1917, the British divided the land up into a (tiny) Jewish section and a larger Arab section. A raw deal for the Jews, since they did all the work to make Palestine a nice place to live, but they accepted it. Every bit of land they've acquired since then has been fighting back against aggressive wars launched by the Arabs. Israel is still postage-stamp sized.

Why can't those Palestinians just be resettled in Jordan and Syria (like the equal number of Jews who were ousted from their homes in various Arab contries in '48).

""As the Israelis did in the late 1940s when they forced out the Palestines. How would you like to the the land (the West Bank) you and your ancestors have lived on for thousands of years illegally squatted on and taken away form you by alien foreigners as the Israelis have done?"

I'd get over it, unlike the stuck in the past Palestinians... a.ka. Pastatinians. The communisits in eastern europe after WWII took my grandparents land and they fled to the U.S. with hardly anything. You know what? I've gotten over it. Time for them to move on already...

the palestinians AND eastern europeans should both realize they've been played like fiddles by the UN. Instead of promoting democratic change for the governments in these regions, the UN has found it more profitable to set up a welfare class and then install itself as middleman between the dictators and the first world countries whose wealth they redistribute.

Who is the current ops head of IJ in Gaza/ West Bank?

Frylock wrote: "Worst.Moral Equivelancy.Ever."

Why? Because you're right and I'm wrong? Who decides? Are you the Almighty? Why can you all deal out death and judgement so easily? I'm confused. Many of you have indirectly advocated the killing of women and children here (for attending a funeral or for "swarmng around a car"). Who do you think you are? Who gave you then moral authority to decide?

Look. I just read my last post, and I think I'm giving you the wrong impression here. I'm not trying in any way to justify suicide bombing and "terrorist" behavior. It's counterproductive to their cause and most of the time it's carried out by nutcases anyway.
I just don't understand the response. Maybe we just come from different schools of thought, but I don't buy the comparison between Arabs and Nazis that people are making here. Yes, anti-semitism exists in the Mid-East. As it also exists in America and Europe. This fight is about land, water, and the right to exist. I think both sides have committed atrocities. The Palestinians need to start being honest with themselves and understand that Israel isn't going away. The Israeli's need to understand the same.
What's the solution? I'm not sure, maybe equal represenation in the Knesset. Maybe a two-state solution.

yes - 2 states, but given their history, a palestinian state would soon need to be wiped out. I disagree that islamic radicals are any better than nazis. au contraire, the "solution" for the jews was kept largely out of the eyes of the average german, while violent hatred for jews is widely spread in the arab state presses eg al jazeera . palestine is just a unrw welfare camp.

Has there been a formal passing on of the Hamas mantle of leadership - hereinafter known as ground zero? That sucker must have a homing beacon built into it.

Israel is 100% right. When someone says they will kill your women and children and then proceeds to do so - send them to hell. If his wife was with him, then her death is on his head. He knew he was a target and yet he put his family in harm's way. Just another example of cowardice of the terrorists.

I believe the missle used is commonly called a Hellfire. Good name for a cat.

The Canadian radio report quoted a Pali official as saying that Israel's action only continued the cycle of violence. Blowing up buses doesn't, apparently.

I think the Palestinians stuck in refugee camps deserve the same sympathy and support as do the Sudenten Germans, also stuck in refugee camps sixty years later. Oh, wait...

Another human vermin bites the dust. Anyone who knowingly attacks civilians to make a political point deserves no better, and maybe worse.

"How would you like to the the land (the West Bank) you and your ancestors have lived on for thousands of years...."

er, stop right there. If you ever meet up with a thousand-year-old man, let us know. In the meantime, most of the people of the west bank were born after Israel occupied it.

If you think it is a good idea for invaders to return land to those they stole it from way back when, then by your logic we MUST RETURN JERUSALEM AND THE MIDDLE EAST TO THE CHRISTIAN BYZANTINE EMPIRE WHERE THEY ONCE BELONGED!

After all, Damascus and Jerusalem once were Christian cities.

"If you say the Israelis have the right to defend themselves, don’t the Palestinians have the right to defend their land and themselves?"

by giving retarded 13-year-old palestinians bombs that kill them and Iraelis border guards? Hamas has killed 100s of civilians, and stopped the oslo peace process with their killing of civilians. they also killed palestinians who were 'collaborators' ie not blood thirsty enough for their liking.

Please, show me where in the geneva convention this right of violence against civilians exists!
Please show us how killing teenagers in pizza parlors amounts to 'self defense'.

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