"You love life and we love death, which gives an example of what the Prophet Muhammed said." Exactly. That quote should be published and broadcast the World over again and again. I can't think of a better exemplar of what flaming idiots these people are.

SEZU!

The problem rightwhiners like POPD have with Islamic-related terrorism is that they don't understand a simple reality--those "flaming idiots" have their own frame of reference, in which they are doing sacred work. The people who share our revulsion of these tactics already know the proposed broadcast message; the "flaming idiots" would have another recruiting tool.

The War on Terror is fundamentally flawed. There is not, and cannot be a War on Terror. It is not, and cannot be a declared war (see also Vietnam, undeclared/unsuccessful war). Wahabbism--the state religion of Saudi Arabia--conflicts with modern Western culture. State warfare has NO positive impact on this violent religious clash.

Bush should denounce Saudi support for madrassas--their main source of money. But he is so dedicated to cronyism and his own ideas that he can't do this. So the fundamentalist schools of Islam will continue to train "flaming idiots" that despise to death the fundamentalist religions and worship-of-things of the West.

"Bush should denounce Saudi support for madrassas—their main source of money. But he is so dedicated to cronyism and
his own ideas that he can’t do this."

Get somebody to tell you the "young-bull-old-bull" story and reassess. I've got better things to spend my money on than gas at ten or twenty bucks a gallon, and so do you.

Button: Yeah, SEZME! You don't like it, too bad. The rest of your inane post I'll ignore. Nothing too cogent or trenchant in it.

Islam isn't a religion, it's a cult. There is nothing Divine about it.
You can train animals to do all sorts of things, doesn't make it right, does it?

Further, you can't just go bomb the Saudi's either, you have to promote change, and root up the causes, eliminate them.
You don't burn down the school, you change the teacher.
Seems you know nothing of Vietnam either, it was a declared war, and it wasn't unsuccessful, only in the minds of small people. What became unsuccessful was saving a million people from genocide, thanks to John kerry's interference.

For some reason, Democrats don't mind seeing genocide take place all over the world, what they hate, is when we try to stop them. Guess what, buttonbutton, your on someones genocide list as well, and no matter how you try appease them, they will still kill you. The war on terror must continue. some day, when you grow up, you'll understand why.

WHAT'S THERE TO WORRY ABOUT - NOT!

These "flaming idiots" (Al Qaeda et al) are active in Mexico. There is a good possibility they may now have secured stocks of Soviet bioweapons. There was a recent reference to "black terror" which is 90% ready to launch a strike at the US.

A classic low-tech strike would be to infect the migrant population south of our border with Mexcio with a bioweapon for example smallpox. The carnage of the Madrid train bombings would pale in comparison.

Regardless of your political affiliation the genie is now out of the bottle in hands of terrorists who have no qualms about using them in pursuit of their fanactical purposes. There may be some truth to the suggestion this is all about the price of oil. The multi-national energy companies have a vested interest in controlling it's price.

For this they need political stability in the Middle East Region. They have influenced our government to support governments in the region. The only problem is we haven't made good choices on the governments we have supported.

By our support of repressive regimes who have not shared the wealth in the development of their country's natural resources, we have aided in the creation of a disenfranchised under class. It is from these ranks that Osuma Bin Laden and others have been able to recruit for suicidal missions based on their perverted vision of the Islamic faith.

The only real weapon to counter this threat is the - TRUTH. As long as the meglomaniacs can control the flow of information and tell the big LIE, we are destined to repeat history.

Blessed be for the Internet! Our media has failed in it's journalistic responsibility of reporting the truth and providing in depth analysis. Instead it has devolved to the level of the market tabloids and the desires of their owners.

See my post of this topic at:

http://hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=549

For bioterrorism - see my previous post to PHXnews.com.

http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=10041

The full article appears on our site:

www.hspig.org

at:

http://hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=610

ALERT - BREAKING NEWS

In light of the recent events in Madrid, Spain with the signature, fingerprints of Al Qaeda affilation, please see my post to the Washington Post which apparently they have chosen not to post. News sources are just now reporting the arrest of five subjects with radical fundamentalist ties.

Ron Wright

Board of Advisors, Security Council Member

www.hspig.org

*****

Cover Letter accompanying submission

*****

March 8, 2004

Editor - OP/ED Washington Post

See the attached MS Word .doc. Your previous investigative report on Iraq’s WMD was excellent. It was a significant piece of the puzzle but you did [not] assimulate what you discovered. The feds haven’t either or are not willing to talk about it. Most media sources are content with covering the story that no tangible evidence of WMDs have surfaced and the resultant political consequences for the Bush administration in this election year.

But in your story and other news sources, both US and internationally based, have not taken a step back and looked at the big picture now emerging. Through the underground railroad channels now coming to light, nuclear and bioweapons tech and stocks of the former Soviet Union may have fallen with significant probalitity into the hands of Al Qaeda. Soviet nuclear and bioweapons scientists who suddenly found themselves no longer needed and standing in the breadlines may have brokered deals with Middle Eastern dealers who were flush with money. Check with Dr. Ken Alibek at George Mason University in your own backyard. He more than anyone should know this threat is real. After all he was the former deputy director of the Soviet Union’s bioweapons program. He was recently quoted with other Russians extensively in an article, “The Looming Threat,” in the journal Acumen. See the following link to that article:

http://hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=442
Posted by Ron Wright at March 13, 2004 08:09 PM

"....this is an example of what Muhammad said"?

This doesn't even make sense. Did the prohept Muhammad say that Islamics love death instead of life? Get your story straight, numbskull! Maybe if you play your cards right you will become a martyr like your other pals.

Hey, the root of the problems or the solutions is not islam nor the islamic people. It is also not life or death that matters to people but it is the gap between standards of life. The problem can be solved only by eradicating the terrorists leaders and source of funds (provided due to selfish motives ). It is now not a HOLY WAR or REVENGE but it is a world wide big business in which every one from goverment of different nations, top politicians, builders, corporate leaders, Mafia,dictators and very sad to say HOLY MAFIA is involved. Ya its reality this business needs manpower to shed there own blood and also of others to keep the business mobile and profitable.
And also this business has no ethics (as other business). So it will keep on...till workers dont demand a better life and soceity cant provide it.

well doug, sorry to dissapoint you, but:

Bukhari:V4B52N53 “The Prophet said, ‘Nobody who dies and finds Paradise would wish to come back to this life even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to get killed again in Allah’s Cause.’”

Bukhari:V4B52N54 “The Prophet said, ‘Were it not for the believers who do not want me to leave them, I would certainly and always go forth in army units setting out in Allah’s Cause. I would love to be martyred in Allah’s Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.’”

Tabari VIII:153/Ishaq:533 “Abdallah Rawahah encouraged the men, saying, ‘By Allah, what you loathe is the very thing you came out to seek—martyrdom. We are not fighting the enemy with number, strength, or multitude, but we are fighting them with this religion with which Allah has honored us. So come on! Both prospects are fine: victory or martyrdom.’”

Muslim: C41B20N4678 “Proof Of The Martyr’s Attaining Paradise: Jabir said that a man said, ‘Messenger of Allah, where shall I be if I am killed?’ He replied: ‘In Paradise.’ The man threw away the dates he had in his hand and fought until he was killed.”

Muhammad martyr field humor:

Tabari VIII:46 “Akhram said, ‘If you believe in Allah and know that Paradise is real and that the Fire is real, don’t stand between me and martyrdom!’ So Abd-Rahman dismounted and thrust his spear into Akhram. So I shot Abd-Rahman with an arrow, and said, ‘Take that!’”

(yuk yuk yuk!)

"It is not, and cannot be a declared war"

Incorrect. War was declared by the US Congress.

"M: (Inaudible) Talbot(?). Senator, thank you for this broad gauged approach to the problems we face. My question is this, do you foresee the need or the expectation of a Congressional declaration of war, which the Constitution calls for, and if so, against whom? (Scattered Laughter)

JB: The answer is yes, and we did it. I happen to be a professor of Constitutional law. I'm the guy that drafted the Use of Force proposal that we passed. It was in conflict between the President and the House. I was the guy who finally drafted what we did pass. Under the Constitution, there is simply no distinction ... Louis Fisher(?) and others can tell you, there is no distinction between a formal declaration of war, and an authorization of use of force. There is none for Constitutional purposes. None whatsoever. And we defined in that Use of Force Act that we passed, what ... against whom we were moving, and what authority was granted to the President. "

http://biden.senate.gov/~biden/press/release/01/10/2001A24C02.html

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