Guess what, Mohamad? We'll get you, too, and you won't be takin' any more Baaths.

We're going to get you, too, Usama bin Laden. The Americans are in Baghdad. Where are the brave troops of this man? Recruiting because they don't have enough people with the courage to stand up and fight? Their way is to terrorize and kill their own Muslim brothers.

No great surprise , other than why so many people refused to accept it was in his war plan, I think that we had a real case of the "Emperor's Clothes". For some weeks we have been claiming that the attacks weren't organised and that there was no overarching plan. Surprise.... there doesn't have to be a plan at Army or Corps levels, you don't need (or in fact with our Elint sources) want a complex and therefore fragile comms net.

The orders go something like this"....merciful. Abdul
take you AK and some rounds, here is a bag of money, when the infidel come, shoot them, but only when it is safe. inshalaah, when the Mustache returns he will remember this. By the way if you don't get cracking......we know where you live.

It obeys the most basic of military principles. KISS.

Such tactics can and have been defeated in the past. You need well trained and disciplined troops.
Good leadership from PFC-NCA, and a great deal of Unit Pride.

Troops morale can be raised if they have an end of tour date to aim at, no more 365 days and I'm gone, but dates around which their lives and their families lives can be planned.

Then Abdullah/ Mohamad, watch out, because our team is fast learning, fast moving and can still beat you without breaking the rules.

To all my friends who have been in the machine, this will come as no great surprise. For those of you have not had the full benefit of a military education, trust me I am not pulling your leg.

Our Danish colleagues have now deployed in theatre, and in their normal competent Norse manner have set about learning the ropes, fully supported by their Government at home. Making sure that their boys and girls have all the equipment they need they have been sent from Denmark, with no expense spared in their quest for Combat efficiency.........A SNOW PLOUGH and a selection of lawn mowers!!! What do they know that we don't?

UBIQUE! I suppose they could push the snowplow around, (exercise, you know) or possibly use it to sweep for mines? LMAO. Oh well, Turn the mowers on their sides, and see if you get any 'fan' action off them blades!

That is a hoot. They don't have a snowplow's chance in hell... ROFLMAO...

Ubique, you know as well as I do that the normal rotation is 6 months, sometimes 8.
They are just aproching 6 now, so you will probably see a rotation announced soon.

As far as those little hit and run terrorist go, you also know that it is what we look for and are good at, picking those guys off with a good rifle is a SPORT. they don't stand a chance against the great white hiunter.
You'll probably see more special ops next rotation to deal with them

Posted by: Bubba at July 10, 2003 01:30 PM
You'll probably see more special ops next rotation to deal with them>>

I have my Whitefeather all cleaned up and a bunch 'o hand loads...can I go play too!?!? :)

Sure! why not?

as far as this organized fedayeen out fit goes:

BAGHDAD, Iraq – Coalition forces foiled numerous potential attacks by seizing weapons caches and explosive devices on July 8th.

The 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment seized a weapons cache of 400 to 500 rocket-propelled grenades from a vehicle at a traffic control point located between the cities of Ar Ramadi and Al Asad. Four Iraqi males riding in the vehicle were detained.

The 1st Marine Expeditionary Force found a large cache of tank rounds just north of Mahmudiayah. An engineer unit detonated three truckloads of the rounds. The rest, which were still crated, were transported to another location for disposition.

The 101st Airborne Division discovered and seized a cache of 12 antitank projectiles that were camouflaged with cut wheat, on a road near Tal’afar.

Coalition forces continued aggressive patrols throughout the country over the last 24 hours conducting 14 raids, 1,222 day patrols and 825 night patrols. They also jointly patrolled with the Iraqi Police conducting 190 day patrols and 187 night patrols. On their own, Iraqi Police conducted 10 day and one night patrols. The total raids and patrols resulted in 213 arrests for various criminal activities including three for murder, four for car jacking, nine for assault, eight for burglary, and 60 for looting.

Ahhh, I get it! Mohamad Bazzi is the new Baghdad Bob!

"Khaled described cells that are studying the tactics of Palestinian militant groups and the Lebanese militia Hezbollah... While suicide attacks have not been a significant tactic in Iraq, he said his network is planning to send suicide bombers to attack American military convoys and installations. "

You see what happens when people appease terrorists or they get rewarded for terrorism? The next generation of jihadis do a re-run in someone else backyard. Never deal with terrorists or reward them, just take 'em out of circulation with extreme prejudice.

Crap... I mean Khaled is the new Baghdad Bob

Once again, why does everyone here try to microanalyze every liitle snippet of news. You cant build a country in two months. And the kew word here is "build".

I remember that ten days into this thing that the americans were going to lose\the war.

Has everyone lost their marbles. Patience is a virtue.

Yet, if I were to believe what is being said that all the iraqis hate us, then u know what, let them have sadaam. We tried , God bless you see u later charley. This daily vacillation is getting old....fast.

Thank god football season is fast approaching

key word.....darnit.....lol

You know, if by some far off chance that down the road we decided WTF (which I think is not likely).......we ought to make sure that no one ever pumps a drop of oil in that country. EVER!

Possibly, with that being well known, some of these outside terrorist might not have the desire to intervine in our efforts.

This just supports my theory that these young men need to be put to work at manual labor FIRST. I just read that the criminal tendency peaks at age 36.

If any are arrested, forget lollygagging in jail cells. Put them to work on chain gangs like we used to have in this country. Remember the sentence of so many years at "hard labor"?

Belle said, "If any are arrested, forget lollygagging in jail cells. Put them to work on chain gangs like we used to have in this country. Remember the sentence of so many years at "hard labor"?"

That's exactly what needs to happen again in this country.

It's funny.....I used to butt heads with a middle eastern clown (claimed he was a Saudi) named Khaled Ahmed. I'm sure there is a million of them, but he could fit the part.

Belle,

I like the way you think. Weren't you the one that made the comment of people not knowing when to give their child a good whuppin when they deserve it? You are on the short list for queen of the Neandercons. :-) Idle hands are the devil's workshop, or words to that effect.

Not only from the punishment side of the coin, but from the reward side, this is a good idea. Give these people jobs (the ones pissin' & moanin', not the ones taking potshots at our boys), and pay them for their work. Is it a cultural thing over there to sit around and wait for someone else to clean up the neighborhood?

They want self rule, then they need to show us that they are willing to get their hands dirty to improve their lives. The Fedayeen, once identified, need to be given ample opportunity to die for Sodom Insane, as they boast they are sworn to do.

No, I wasn't the one who said people don't know when to give their kids a good whuppin'. In fact I only whupped my kid once for running across the street when the dog got out. He was about 4.

On the other hand, I don't believe in "talking a kid to death either".::::::::::laughing:::::::::::::::::::

On the other hand, Uday and Qusay probably got all kinds of work out of those people.... "You weel shovel thees, you kemmel turd, or I weel pull out your feenger nails...."

Seth said, "On the other hand, Uday and Qusay probably got all kinds of work out of those people.... "You weel shovel thees, you kemmel turd, or I weel pull out your feenger nails...."

Yeah.....things were so much better then....

Jeff

Maybe they should show these lazy young men and all the complainers some "nostalgia" films, Usay's greatest hits or something, to remind them of the difference between what they had then and what they have now.
Like those films they were selling awhile back in the marketplace there.

Folks, the keys on the dead-enders side are indigenous support and resupply. Pure and simple. On our side, it's simple too. If we're patient and willing to endure casulties, we will prevail.

On their side: without the support of the local people, dead-enders have no chance. At some point the people decide. If they WANT fedayeen and Baathists running their country, we won't be able to beat them. I don't think this is the case. The Kurds and the Shiites are not going to back these guys and it's not clear at all that the minority Sunnis are for them. They've got serious problems in this area. They aren't in "Palestine." As for resupply? Very poor prospects. They don't have, now, a good source of supply nor a patron like the Soviet Union or China.

On our side, it's a question of will. Do we think Iraq is worth the sacrifice? If we do, if we think the economic, strategic and national securities are important enough, we can't lose, especially if what I believe to be true about the actual support of the dead-enders.

What worries me isn't the fedayeen, but whether we have the resolve to see this through. At the moment, I think we're fine. I also believe that in the next few months the lives of most Iraqis are going to dramatically improve. If that happens, we're going to be dealing with mop-up operations and that's it.

Even under the worst scenario, I don't believe we'll actually quit Iraq. Rather, I still believe that if worst comes to worst, we'll simply divide the country up and leave the nutballs in their own country of SunniLand, which has no resources, unless the price of sand rises rapidly.

I still think that dividing Iraq thus and leaving the former first party on their own in the only section of three that has no resources will be to leave Iraq in a state of violent turmoil not unlike that which Israel has been facing over the years; The Sunnis would naturally covet the oil rich lands and want a piece of them, and the resulting real estate issue would be turned, as is inevitably the case in areas of mostly Islamic population, into a "theological" issue.
Another little jihad would be the windup, with the resulting sabotage, bombings and so forth, only without a coalition presence.
I have no doubt that the Shiites and the Kurds would be able to cope with this, but they would do so without the restraint the Israelis apply on the West Bank and in Gaza(both groups have ample reason for "disliking" the Iraqi Sunnis, and dislike, among Muslims, seems to have a much more profound meaning in their community than it does in most places).
The resulting slaughter would accellerate the terrorism and there would no doubt be some participation by outside entities like al Qaida and a few interested Syrian and Iranian parties; suddenly Iraq would be back in the global spotlight, with all the "ethnic cleansing" charges of Bosnia and much UN debate about "America's mess", and all the "I told you so's" that would go with it.
An unstable Iraq would also provide Turkey with all the excuse they need to go into Iraq in force and find some way of suppressing the Kurds and appointing themselves "custodians" of the northern oil fields.
Detractors of the Bush Administration and of the U.S. in general would have a field day, and that wouldn't do at all, because as much as I hate to say it, they would be 100% right, the proof being the conditions we'd left behind.
We need to pursue our original goal of a united Iraq with one government representative of all the people and see it through to fruition, if for no other reason than to show that we do what we say we are going to do.