Whilst this is in and of itself inconclusive in regards to definitive proof of perfidy on the part of the French, one has to admit that when added to the weight of largely unconfirmed speculative reporting in that regard it does not make the position of denial by that country any more plausible.

To be blunt - there seems quite a lot of smoke here. Too much for there not to be some spark of truth. I personally would advocate authoritative publication of whatever evidence of perfidy is found. This at least would go some way to inform the French electorate as to the motivations of its elite.

What is more likley to happen however is that the State Department will 'plea bargain' these charges down so as to receive diplomatic co-operation at the UNSECCO. That perhaps is the greatest indictment against the atmospheric pervasion of self-interest in that body.

OUI, OUI !

Given, by association this, well...stinks. I feel it best to maybe just hang on this one. 'Nough jibberish and diplospeak to eat up a thousand words reeeallly fast.

Like the truth ever mattered to the French...

If half of what was posted here is true about the French, they are still deserving of a bitch slap.

The sad but true fact is that France is being overrun by African Muslims that are both violent and fiercely "religious".

You can only travel in the south, like Marcel, and see the shit. It has nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with education and a society that finds theft, violence, and murder acceptable.

The French are the first "Western" country in the 21st century to be unable to act because of domestic fears ie. African Muslims...

Congradulations France, way to start off the century on your new destiney.

Here is some advice, just like its easier to cut out a small infection rather then amputating an arm. Enact tough immigration laws, by religion if necessary, but definately by region and education level, a 1 strike your ass out for crimes involving violence, and no more Churchs into Mosques.

I gotta laugh about this one, folks...

Like, the line from Blazing Saddles...

"Passports?" "PASSPORTS?" "Mais Oui!" "VE don't need no stinkin' passports!"

'Nough frivality.. It still stinks.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considereth not the beam that is in thine own eye?

esjr,

HUH? You gotta love posts that give you the excuse to use words like perfidy and bitch-slap.

The French people don't deserve the whores they have for government, but who voted these wankers in? The growing Muslim crowd in France is a worry. Don't they have WMDs? What are oui waiting for? After we steal Iraq's oil, why not pilfer some cheese and whine, France's main exports?

esjr - question - US decided to go it alone (with MAJOR help from one ally, and a little help from a bunch more). I'm of French heritage. I am ashamed at their behavior right up to this very minute. Have we made mistakes in our foreign policy in the past? A resounding yes. I just answered my first, and your first question.

Another rather serious question: Is this a matter of religious persecution with you? I would think that if you are defending the Muslim religion by quoting Jesus Christ, you MIGHT be using a very poor analogy here. From the Muslim perspective, we (meaning anyone who is NOT Muslim) are infidels. Worthy of death.

Another question: Would you care to describe the mote you'd like me to remove?

awww come on dave, you know we dont have the right to question france

I actually think there is some dark humor in france's social, cultural, and political implosion.

for years I have read stories out of france of them whining about the substitution of english language words for french, of anglo or american products working their way in to the french culture,

when the real colapse of french culture is going to come from the influx of the latest wave of non western "barbarians" sorta like the vandals, and visgoths and the rest of the tribal barbarian hordes looking for the good life in roman lands eventually spelled the end of rome.

you can say that is bigoted but it is realpolitik.

the bottom line is a country that doesnt control its immigration, will eventually become something else.

if they dont care its no big deal, I certainly dont care. but if the "french would like france to remain french they better get a handle on it.

otherwise its going to be west arabia

Dave, see my response here.

What does perfidy mean. I could look it up in a dictionary. But I do not want to.

why not post your response right here where it can be in context?

im not in the bussiness of defending someone else's intelectual argument, and arguing for them but man your response to dave was pathetic.

rumsfield went to iraq....

so what. what does it have to do with immigration to france, or the french handing out passports to baathist scum?, or the fact that the muslim faith as set out by many of that faith beleives whole hardily that infidels deserve to die.

nothing thats what.

so rumsfield went to baghdad in the early 80's

that means thiers a beam in anyones eye who is critical of the french duplicity in giving subtle and underhanded support to the despotic former baathist regime?

the west worked with stalin and the russians for most of ww2, then we turned right around and had a cold war with them.

so who had the beam in thier eye after ww2?

give us a break.

maybe you should say your argument out loud to see if it sounds stupid before you post it that might help.

I think that I get it now. Perdidy or perfidius must be a Korean word. I thought that it might have been a french word.

North's Korea's chief negotiator, Pak Chang Ryon, criticized the summit on Tuesday, calling it "perfidious" and "an improper act of actively following (Washington's) policy to stifle the DPRK militarily and economically." DPRK stands for the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, North Korea's official name.

per·fi·dy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pûrf-d)
n. pl. per·fi·dies
Deliberate breach of faith; calculated violation of trust; treachery: “the fink, whose perfidy was equaled only by his gall” (Gilbert Millstein).
The act or an instance of treachery.

Did you know that the French were barred from attending briefings during the first Persian Gulf war because it was feared that the DGSE (those nice fellas who blew up the Grenpeace 'Rainbow Warrior') were passing minutes of those meetings direct to the Mukhabarat?

Did you know that in WWII during the invasion of France General Patton noted in his diary concerns about having De Gauls army BEHIND him?

Whilst as I suggested before this story is, in and of itself, inconclusive. But it would not be out of character for the French government to stab us in the back. As recent meetings with Chirac and Muggabe prove, the French consider themselves free from the moral fetters of dealing with genocidal despots, so long as it plays a part in supporting their failing economy.

Those of you planning a European vacation please note that sunny Britain is open for business.

What is new here? There have been claims that the passports must have been planted. Why? Franco American history goes back to about 1600. So we have a lot of perspective.

It goes something like this: French raiders come down into the US, with there Huron allies, and murder the townspeople of various settlements throughout New England and New York. These raids went both ways, but were more often than not, on the American side, reprisals to raids by the French and their allies. This goes on for about 150 years till we put a stop to it once and for all by putting an end to New France by force of arms.

Then, Lafayette helps us thow out the British. Bully for him, thank you, appreciate it, but it was just a way to put a finger in the eye of the Brits.

Immediately afterwards the French start attacking us at sea this time. Then they demand the payment of bribes to even discuss the matter. We respond by building a Navy, and putting a stop to it militarily, which is the only thing that ever seems to work with those lovers of diplomacy, the French.

A little while later, they come in on the side of the South in the civil war. An attempt to dismember the emerging American Republic. I guess they thought that the slave-holding south would provide a "counterweight" to the US.

Jumping ahead to the Great War, the French, in a popular book "The American Cancer" blame America for starting it. Ango/American French history continues like this to the present day.

We have a long history with the French. What exactly is it that suggests that somehow it is more likely they the US would plant the passports than that the French would provide them?

I had forgotten all about that greenpeace thing... See the French did do ONE thing right this past century....

Dave etc,
you R right ! I stand corrected. Who would have thought that Harris&Klebold commentary would be the going rate @ "Command Post".
sic transit gloria mundi