These guys sure have a problem staying on message, don't they?

Damn straight there is a treat...

"Judeo-Christians" countries, using the term very lightly since one can argue how Christian is the United States, but I disgress...

Judeo-Christians countries could wipe Islam off the face of the earth without a problem... Not that this would happen, as one of the side benefits of Judeo-Christians cultures is that most often not, democracy and respect for human rights also are present...

Dear Al-Qa'ida,

YOU ARE SO FSCKED!

Better they occupy themselves in internecine battles than attack us.

"The meaning, stated the article, of the term 'democracy,' is that people rule, instead of Allah."

Damn strait. Were still working on the whole seperation of church and state here in America, it is an ongoing struggle but one which is getting better. Worship your god(s) if you will, but live and work with your fellow humans as equal but differently opinionated beings all sharing the same peacefull goals of coexistance and prosperity. God(s, esses) bless America, the most powerfull nation in the world, in history.

Wow. got em all fightin 'mongst themselfs. Purrrrrfect.

Picture this: "Mohammed! Chain up! They're throwing a Baath party down in the 'hood!"

All organized religion operates to separate the ignorant from their freedom and their money. Superstition is not a requirement of an ethical civilization.

lets walk back in time for a momment.

judo- Christianity was around long before Mohammedism began.
What happened in Mohammed life time and ever since?
Islam killed christian and jews, basicly wiped them out in every so called mid east state, country or what ever you wish to call it.

Before mohammed, Jews, and christians were all over the mid east, living in relative peace, despite the disagreement of Jesus.
It was Muslims who killed, raped, and stole this freedom from judo-christians, as well as doing the same to Iran, which had a sun god that they worshipped.
Judo-christian and pagans had a viable, healthy, trade system, all that changed with the Muslim invasions, the blood, 'convert or die" rape pillage and plunder way of mohhameds Islam.
Medina for example, was Jewish, so was mecca.

Ask India what they think of Islam, who has killed 85 million Indians over the last 1300 years, destroyed their temples, built mosks over them.

Islam steals, takes and uses what other cultures have built. Then, as muslims settle in, waelth is spent, they become poor, listless, stupid people.
As well, when Muslim isn't killing a jew , pagan or christian, they start killing each other.
Islam is a blood cult, nothing more. They use brainwashing, death to control the faith.

Now, separation of church and state, good Idea as far as Islam goes, It's about time.
Christians went though this, we took the Preists out of government, and now we have a society, not perfect, but fair for the most part, if it functions proper.
But, morals of this society stem from the words of Christ, if we loose that, then we become like a muslim.

Actually, the claim that Shi'ites are a Judaizing heresy within Islam is an old Sunni fabrication, and I believe it goes back centuries.

there is some misguided truth to that, Robbie.

talmudisation of the Jew faith, which is in reality, faith in the OT, or, the pre-Christian erra, is simular to koranic structure.

Most jews however, aren't talmud types, but it is a favorite thing that islamics use to attact the jewish religion on. Christians know better, we were, before Christ, israelites after all, so were arabs, they are semites as well, but they joined the devils team. Before mohammed, they were christians, jews, or pagans.

martin

The crusades were not a bunch of good ol christian boys out bringing joy and happiness to the mideast, And Saladim was one of the most honerable conquerers in history.

Whats good enough for the goose is not good enough for the gander?

The Catholics had the right idea. Somebody had to stop the Muslims. In 713, Muslim invaders crossed the Pyrenees. This was the beginning of a series of invasions, each pushing a little further north. You are talking France now.

In 721, Toulouse was besieged, but was saved by Charles MarteIl, the King of the Franks. Ten years later, the Muslims, stronger than ever, crossed the pass of Roncevaux again. This time, Bayonne, Oloron, Aires, Auch and many other cities were pillaged and burnt. In the spring of the next year, Bordeaux, Blaye, Bourg, Montagne and Royan were pillaged and burnt.

The threat to all of France was so great that Charles Martell, the Catholic King, himself marched south with his army, and the Muslim army was destroyed. The battle was the turning point of the Islamic push to the north.

Forty-five years later, Charlemagne pushed the Muslims back across the Pyrenees. Not an easy job. The Catholics did what somebody had to do or we would all be wearing burkas. Catholics get a bad rap about the Muslims, sure every one involved was not real polite and loving about it, but overall, they did what had to be done. Not much different than this war on terror.

Ronin,
The goose-gander thing might have been applicable in the 1100's, but Chrisianity has moved on since then and Islam has not. They saved the library of Alexandria, but what do they write today? Their society has stood still, and Israel, their favorite scapegoat, has only existed since 1948. Even assuming they're right about Zionism, they wasted 750 years.

Martin wrote:

"Islam is a blood cult, nothing more."

What crap. This know-nothing bigotry makes me want to stop coming to this blog.

Edwin,
Glad to see SOMEONE has a good grasp of history.

Steve, tell me what else it is, tell me why the cult of Islam began with blood, and has always been spread by blood.
why does the Koran say this:

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q; 2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (Q; 9:123), slay them (Q; 9:5), fight with them, (Q; 8:65 ). It tells its followes to humiliate the Christians and the Jews and impose on them a penalty tax (Q; 9:29). It takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tells clearly that no other religion except Islam is acceptable (Q;3:85) and relegates those who disbelieve in it to hell (Q;5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q;9:28) and orders the Muslims to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q;2:193). Quran states that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q;14:17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and the feet of the unbelievers, and expel them from the land with disgrace and stresses that “they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (Q;5:34). It says that for the disbelievers "garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods” (Q;22:19). Quran prohibits Muslims to befriend their own brothers and fathers if they are non-believers (Q;9:23), (Q;3:28). It asks the Muslims to “strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q;25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q;66:9). The holy Prophet demanded his followers to “strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” for ransom (Q;47:4).

It is no religion of peace, steve, in fact, this koran is why we have so much blood spilling in the world today. Perhaps Steve, you should do a bit of study before you defend the cult. Look at the whole history of Islam.

Martin.

It's not a cult. Look up cult in your dictionary. Islam is a religion.

And what yoiu're saying about Islam is what OBL says about Christianity. Look at the crimes of Christians: the Crusades, the Holocaust, the extermination of the Indians.

And other people than Muslims kill each other for religious reasons. Look at Sri Lanka: Buddhists vs. Hindus.

I'm not going to get into a scripture quoting contest with you, because I just can't be bothered. And I don't really want to defend Islam. To me, all religions are nonsense, but I respect the beliefs of others.

Hell, let's just nuke Mecca, Jerusalem, and Vatican City

steve, ------"the crimes of christians"

steve the crusades were an answer to the militant waring expansion of islam. was there extremity on the part of christians? yeas but it didnt happen in a vaccuum. it never would have happened had islam not been an ever expanding killing machine.

and as for christians being responsible for the holocoust, wow when some one is as off base as you on that its hard to know where to begain.

hitler was a pagan. his cronies had developed thier own pagan religion to suit thier socialist/fascist designs. their was nothing christian about the perpetrators. and in fact many christians died in the death camps.

"what yoiu're saying about Islam is what OBL says about Christianity"?
dude, did you just make that up? come on fess up you got frustrated and pulled that one out of your ass didnt you?

"I'm not going to get into a scripture quoting contest with you, because I just can't be bothered. And I don't really want to defend Islam"

how can you dismiss the veracity of what he posted with out understanding the bedrock foundation on which its built? you cant dismiss the context just because you dont have the ammo to respond.

oh by the way, martin, you wouldnt happen to be a cigar smoker from las vegas called big al would you?

ive never known anyone as strident about islam as big al was

Um, why do people who have never read the Koran or read much about Islam call the people who have bigots? A "blood cult" is a bit extreme but Islam is definetely a "warrior religion". The term peace occurs in the Koran exactly once. Islam believes the only way to spread the word is by blood. Why do you think the peaceful contemplative Sufi sect are so hated and persecuted?

Andrew is dead on about the sufi, in fact the they have been targeted for death as much as christians, they are considered (by fundmentalists) to be an insidious internal threat to the true militant nature of islam. ive read reports of thier mosques being blown up and worshipers murdered by the fundementalists within the last year.

"Hell, let's just nuke Mecca, Jerusalem, and Vatican City,Posted by mike lawson"

Throw in Graceland while your at it, the king is dead people.
One thing wrong with your argument however; old arabic proverb "Turn the holy land to dust, and we will come from accross the world to worship the dust"

There is an old saying, something like this: "Actions speak louder than words." To call Islam a religion of peace makes a mockery of the word peace. Whatever evil was done in the name of Christianity in the past, pales by comparison to the evil we are seeing now in the name of Islam. How can a few highjack a religion and make it into something it is not. There has to be blood in the Koran for people to do what they are doing.

Religion is an evil unto its own, but Islam is the worst religion going. Believe what you want to believe about a "creator", but keep it to yourself and leave other people the hell alone. Remember the golden rule about doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. Stick to that one guideline and things will go a lot smoother. Unfortunately, zealots of various religions just can't leave it at that.

It's true Islam is a warrior religion. It's true that Muslims don't have a tradition of separation of church and state. It's true that the Koran - much like the Old Testament - is full of calls to battle.

But that doesn't make it a cult. And it doesn't mean that it's evil.

The Koran demands that Muslims show respect for Christians and Jews. For centuries, while Europeans were butchering Jews, they were living in peace in Baghdad, Istanbul and Beirut.

It is incorrect to call Islam or Christianity a blood cult.