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April 12, 2003
What Price Freedom?

In France, Anti-U.S. Mood Softens

Julien Vazzoleretto saw the same images, yet his reaction was equivocal. "One tyrant less," said Mr. Vazzoleretto, 25, who is unemployed. "But at what price?"
Posted By PoliticaObscura at April 12, 2003 01:22 PM | TrackBack
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That chucklehead-we allowed the French to summarily execute THOUSANDS of alleged Vichyite collaborators in the "Epuration" of 1944-46, as well as watching them bravely shave the heads of women who were honest about sleeping with the enemy. What punks!

Posted by: Ernest Brown at April 12, 2003 01:27 PM

I can tell him what price France paid -NOTHING!

Posted by: Vicky at April 12, 2003 01:35 PM

US - A bunch

Frogs - Zip

Posted by: BWCASteve at April 12, 2003 01:36 PM

Heh, France, you hosers. Note how they're talking about how this musn't permanently strain our relationship? Guess again, losers. You have radicalized an awful lot of middle Americans. Forgiveness for France is years away, if ever.

Posted by: DSmith at April 12, 2003 01:36 PM

Heard on one of the news networks that de Villepin and a Syrian official were having a press conference.

Towards the end, the Syrian official started comparing the US with Nazi Germany, or was about to do so, when de Villepin interrupted him and told him to not go there.

Anybody hear about this?

Posted by: ElCapitanAmerica at April 12, 2003 01:37 PM

I'll go to the corollary: present-day France is looking very much like Vichy.

Posted by: DSmith at April 12, 2003 01:40 PM

I read the entire article...and I think these French munchbrains are completely in Fantasyland. If anyone needs a cluebat, they do. Every American casualty reminds us that the French were the leaders of the delay that made this war more difficult. That the French were the ones who blackmailed the Turks into refusing us. That the French supplied weapons and comfort to the enemy.
Never forgive, Never forget.
(And the idiot who thinks we can't live without French wines doesn't realize that most states, including Texas, produce wine these days...and I LOVE Texas wines.)

Posted by: kellyds at April 12, 2003 01:40 PM

Another thing - The Anti-American mood my be softening in France but the Anti-french mood is not softening in America.

Posted by: Vicky at April 12, 2003 01:46 PM

Yes, there is a price for freedom.

America has known this from it's very beginning.

Nothing worth having comes for free.

Lucky for you (speaking to the French, et al.) the Americans were/are willing to pay this same 'price' for your Freedom as well.

Posted by: babs at April 12, 2003 02:01 PM

The content does not support the title. Nor does all of it make sense: how is getting rid of a dictatorship that has repeatedly threatned it neighbors (one of the key factors for the Gulf I support was Saudi Arabia noticing tha Saddam's successful troops in Kuwait were being repositioned on the Saudi border) and promising to replace it with some form of representative government get disqualified from being political and only an attempt at establishing an empire?

Don't feel like trying to do a Fisking, but if this is "softening" I'm not going to wait for the ice to turn to water - and certainly not wine.

Posted by: John Anderson at April 12, 2003 02:01 PM

People are BURNING restaurants in FRANCE!
The Horror!

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/030412/202/356o2.html

Somebody send some UN peacekeeps, quick!

This from a yet another great post from merdeinfrance;

http://merdeinfrance.blogspot.com/


3 cases of arson in a same area inside of a few minutes. Is this Baghdad? No, it's sweet, sweet France. Three restaurants of the 'Buffalo Grill' chain were torched within a few minutes of each other in a same French county. The long suffering restaurant chain is just another victim in the French government's undeclared war on small and medium sized businesses in this country. And the law and order in all of this? Hey, simply put, there isn't any. Baghdad is certainly more secured than most French suburbs and Sarkozy's cops, who are not even allowed in most of them, know it.

Posted by: ElCapitanAmerica at April 12, 2003 02:01 PM

I'd say that the anti-French mood in the US get worse every time one of those bozos opens his mouth. If they'd STFU it would help their cause a lot. But I think that highly unlikely.

The only real question in my mind is if the Weasels will push so hard the US does end up leaving the UN. It would take quite a bit more pushing, I think, but they sure seem to still have their heads down. We'll see.

US out of the UN? Now that would be a great day.

Posted by: DSmith at April 12, 2003 02:01 PM

To France the price was quite high.

Posted by: Anon at April 12, 2003 02:19 PM

What I find most revealing about the article, given the superior stance of Europeans toward America, is how ill-informed these people seem. Do any of them know about TotalElfFina's contracts with Iraq, and how oil actually affected the dispute between their country and ours? Do they really believe that Saddam Hussein posed a threat no different from that posed by some petty tyrant in Africa? Do they really believe the propaganda about American imperialism? Don't they understand anything about the rivalries in the U.N. Security Council, France's efforts to dominate the E.U. and to use it as a counter-blance to America's power? Don't they read?

Posted by: Joe Burgo at April 12, 2003 02:34 PM

As the last poster said,
I'm really surprised how little the French interviewees understand where America is coming from in this conflict.
They think America just woke up one day and decided to arbitrarily take out a dictator. "Why this one?" they ask. "Why aren't they 'draining the swamp' that terrorism comes from instead?" they ask. Hello? I thought that this is *exactly* what we were up to.
It's ironic that American's are always accused of being ignorant about the rest of the world and world affairs... these French in the article are totally clueless!
And the last remark, that we won't resist their wine... hardeeharhar. I enjoy fine wines but haven't had a French wine for years. Between Chile, Italy, California, South Africa, and Australia, there's *tons* of excellent wine that's not French. Once again their arrogance is monumental.

Posted by: Daniel W at April 12, 2003 04:37 PM

Anytime I read anything about France, I first remind myself that most of the country happily supported the Vichy government and trucked lots of Jews and other "undesirables" off to the death camps. I remember reading of French soldiers fighting alongside Nazi Germans, and French ships firing at the British ships that had recently been fighting alongside.

One of the last German units to surrender was made up of Frenchmen.

Posted by: Spade at April 12, 2003 05:19 PM

If the anti-U.S. mood is softening in France, we must not be trying hard enough. Cutting off Syria's oil when the French foreign minister is there will help get us back on track, but we need to do more. Introducing a motion to boot the French off the U.N. Security Council might help. We could also make a formal trade alliance with the East Bloc countries. How about opening a NATO infrastructure rebuilding and relief coordination office in Baghdad? We could tell Arafat he has to resign, and...

Posted by: Mikesmechanic at April 12, 2003 06:28 PM

Daniel W...when you get a chance, try some of the award winning wines from Washington state. They're building quite a large following and are touted to be in par and above with the best of California and others. Just a friendly suggestion. :)

Posted by: TvF at April 12, 2003 06:42 PM

I vote we ask Congress to revoke France's Most Favored Nation trading status. That's easy, fast, and cheap.

Posted by: DSmith at April 12, 2003 10:59 PM

I forgot to add to my earlier post...
the fact that the French think this will all blow over soon, that it's just temporary, is yet another example of how utterly they are failing to understand the current American psyche.
They think what they've done is a trivial affair. When the war on terrorism is over, which it isn't even after Iraq is all squared away, and which could take years more... only some time after all that will I say, oh yeah, the French, well, what are you going to do. But until then, while the US is engaged in a struggle for self-preservation against Islamic terrorism similar to the struggle it was in against communism, my thought now, and for years to come, is going to be, those motherf*cking backstabbing sons-of-biches. There's no quick "it will all just blow over" for me.
... btw regarding wines from Washington state, I'll be happy to try them when I get the chance.

Posted by: Daniel W at April 12, 2003 11:04 PM

Funny, it's my impression that the French Revolution was a lot bloodier than the American Revolution.

Do the French repudiate their own republic's birth now?

Posted by: Joshua Scholar at April 12, 2003 11:37 PM
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