Would that be with the non-convential weapons that Blix says they don't have?

This guy sounds like Hitler in the bunker, ranting about special "ray guns" that were going to turn the tide of the war. When you set yourself up as all-powerful, it's easier to believe delusions than any facts that strip that power away from you.

Is they actually had anything that could be effective, surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to truly tell us all it was coming ahead of time? They are stupid, but not that stupid. this is obviously just a bluff to try to retain control in Baghdad.. "Don't start rebelling, we're about to wipe out your liberators tonight with our secret martyrdom weapons. We all see how effective martyrdom weapons have been so far..

Sounds to me like they're planning on herding several tens of thousands of people into the airport.

"Martyrdom operation"

That sounds painful. For the martyr, that is.

Do you get the feeling taking the airport was a little too "easy", relatively speaking that is?

Here comes 5,000 one-man fire crackers...

You watch.. These cowards are going to attack with women infront of them...

Hope all the video cameras record this as the evidence will be necessary when we hang the leaders up from lamp posts.

It's got to be human wave of martyrs. We are either going to have to mow down a lot of "unarmed civilians" or fall back. Our folks haven't had time to get up the razor wire etc they need to hold the facility against a human wave. Somehow, I believe there will be a lot of Arab TV cameras there.

I agree. It sounds as if all those people they've been rounding up are going to be driven, en-masse, towards the airport. There may be a lot of Iraqi dead after tonight. It's no good for the Iraqis. I hope we've got the Special Ops guys ready to kill those Ba'athist pushing the regular people, as quickly as possible.

Not that I think the minister of disinformation is a rational chap, but it sounds like a diversionary tactic, possibly while they launch WMD elsewhere. I hope it is not an enmasse human shield.

mojoski, I would normally agree with you but why would he give a specific night to do this martyrdom operation? If he really wanted to hold control over the Iraqis he could have just said this week or something else.

I hope to God I'm wrong but something feels very bad about all this.

Probably not a "human wave". I'd expect something like a civilian airliner crashing on the airport... full of "martyrs" of course.

Anyone wonder if maybe they buried something *under* the airport? Big ol' dirty bomb or something like that?

Saddams alive!

It's all talk -- trying to slow us down.

If they had it -- they would have already launched it.

I just hope this isn't where we find out that Saddam *did* manage to develop a nuclear capability...

This is scare-tactics bs. If they really had something up their sleeve they wouldn't bother to warn us about it beforehand.

If its a mass of humans then hopefully they will...

Tell the front people just to fake dying, in the darkness no one will really be able to tell the difference...

That the Americans use tear gas, the people will scatter, the soldiers will put on Gas Masks, and then we'll be able to tell the difference...

Do a flanking attack and get these bastards in the back...

>Iraq's main spokesman warned that US forces are isolated at Baghdad International Airport.
"Unless they surrender quickly, I don't think there's any chance that they will survive," he said.
"We consider it an isolated island. They are completely surrounded."

American response - "They've got us surrounded, the poor bastards."

I hear the Iraqi (dis)information minister is being recruited by Howard Raines to write for the New York Times.

The lights went out in Baghdad to hide the Saddamite's actions, and to keep the regular folk indoors.

Keep that in mind when thinking of human waves of suicide bombers and civilian shields.

This might backfire awfully badly on the Saddamites. I have faith in our military. It may be ugly, but watch them handle it well.

The downside of the information age is, that every "brain fart" get's reported.
I have only one word "propaganda".

If I am wrong I have a smurk on my face and say "Bring it own".

Sadam was on TV, he appears to have made a specific statement (about Apache?), so he might be alive.

Maybe they think we don't know about the tunnels into the city that are under the airport.

Shhh...

MSNBC : Tape appears to be current.

Perhaps, the Iraqi airplanes that we haven't seen yet? Sort of middle eastern kamikadze? Whatever it is, it sounds bad to me and I would not dismiss this threat immediately. I know the guy is barking mad and it may be a desperate bluff but there just might be planning some monstrosity...they are certainly capable of it.

MSNBC : He referred to the "Iraqi villager" who downed a US Apache.

Calls for Jihad, invokes Palestinian cause.

So there's hope we can capture this bastard and try him for war crimes.

Putin's comments regarding this war being the greatest threat to global security since the Cold War have me wondering what he knows. He doesn't strike me as a man prone to irrational or hyperbolic statements, rather he seems pretty low key. Also, there was an article recently pointing out the intelligence links (in addition to the arms links) between Iraq and Russia.

I think he is just desperate. Just like he said before that the coalition troops were 100's of miles away etc.
This message is hopefully meant for the people that are still in the city..to scare them.

OK, let's see:
1. "non-conventional"
2. "non-military"
3. "kind of martyrdom operation"
It's sounds like they're gonna drag Saddam Hussein in front of TV cameras, lynch him and then claim immunity. It would fit all three specifications.

"Would that be with the non-convential weapons that Blix says they don't have?"

Blix so far has been right. Chem/bio doctrine says first coice is against staging/rear areas before or at start of your opponent's attack, second choice is against trenches or conducting human waves. Even our own predictions about the "red line" which are not really logical either have proved false.

Looking at our frontline soldiers today you can clearly see they are not wearing their chem bio suits for teh first time since ground ops started.

My guess is that Saddam's men are trying to get civilians to conduct a mass march on the airport.

Ironically this may fail as resistance to us in the Sunni areas is aactuallyt turning out to be less than in Shi'ia areas.

"Anyone wonder if maybe they buried something *under* the airport? Big ol' dirty bomb or something like that?"

Nope. Dirty bombs/radioactive weapons and for that matter tactical nuclear weapons are not really wise to use to your own west. (this is why Pakistan knows that India is screwed if it uses nuclear against Pakistan, since all the fallout would end up in India.)

Also dirty bombs, which are a pretty tame psychological weapon, are not useful against troops.

I'm not too worried about the "wave of martyrs" scenario. Any mass gathering of civilians or soldiers is sure to be identified by intel or be spotted well in advance, and I'm confident that our troops have planned for such a contingency.

I think they're gonna try to slime us, despite the Disinformation minister's comments to the contrary. They know it's all over for them, and they have nothing to lose now.

Question: If they keep having all these press conferences, how come we dont' know where they are?

Maybe this is one of the famous Hussein doubles. If they are truly desperate why not trot one out at this point even if we would be able to debunk him pretty quick?

"Any mass gathering of civilians or soldiers is sure to be identified by intel or be spotted well in advance, and I'm confident that our troops have planned for such a contingency.
"

Like what? Look at what happened to our troops in Najaf, they were forced to withdraw by chanting crowds.

Twenty gunmen in a crowd of 500 or 1,000 civilians could create a very difficult situation.

I think that this would be a perfect exaample of where Rumsfeld has said the US would use tear gas. And this is the perfect situation where you can see where teargas would be the humanitarian choice.

maybe the Dis-information minister is getting his script written by Peter Arnet.

As far as those tunnels go, I'm sure the marines have already secured them.

maybe those bus loads of Syrian and "palistinian" suicide bombers are due to arrive soon. I'm sure they have that hiway blocked as well.

I see this has been touched on in prior posts, but my worry is a pre-located mine simliar to those used in Ypres and other WWI locations.

Either that or they've managed to bury the 'missing' tanks and APCs (of which I think they have none - we've destroyed them in detail) and they're going to spring out of their hidden underground garages and attack from the rear at close range.

Orion

My fear is that the Iraqis might have actually thought something through for once. The airport is a key asset to have for the coalition, and it's entirely possible that it's been booby trapped in the off chance that America would invade (they did a bunch of work on the site post-Gulf I). Coupled with the entire reserve of Baghdad's water supply (oddly cut off recently) the little moat around the airport could get much larger and make it difficult to maneuver if something dangerous comes around. Especially if it's too steep for our equipment to climb back out of the water.

If we use tear gas, they can add something more lethal to the ambiance and point to lots of dead victims of criminal Americans.

"Un-conventional"

It will never work; General Franks has a secret weapon at the airport, "Combat TSA Screeners."

All attackers will have to go through the full TSA screening before they will be allowed to attack. this includes the dread "shoes" exam.

Oh wait a minute, would it be illegal profiling if we only check those attackers who are Arabic????

" will never work; General Franks has a secret weapon at the airport, "Combat TSA Screeners."

Excuse me but that failed in Najef.

"We will do something which I believe is very beautiful," said Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf at a Baghdad news conference, adding that the Iraqis planned to strike back "in an unconventional way." Asked if that meant the use of chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destruction, he quickly said no.

"What I meant are commando and martyrdom operations in a very new, creative way," al-Sahhaf said.

Something beautiful, creative....
bouquets of flowers?

How soon can we set up a TV transmitter at the airport? Then, hook that up to a live video feed. If a human wave attacks, broadcast the whole thing to Baghdad. My guess is that Baghdadis will be overwhelmingly horrified.

"I hear the Iraqi (dis)information minister is being recruited by Howard Raines to write for the New York Times."

The New York Times probably has more combat veterans reporting than any other paper.

They have also been the most factual and had the most accurate predictions for how the war would unfold.

I wasn't a daily reader of the times before but the war has changed my mind on that.

When you tally up the reporting errors by far the winner for the most inaccurate roperting is going to be Fox (which I used to love). Just do a search for "scuds" on their site and you will se they have repeated the untrue scud launch BS more than anyone else.

See this from yesterday: "FoxNews noting unconfirmed reports from within Baghdad that announcements are being made inside the city that people should walk toward the airport. Don't ask me . . ."

i think that the missing minister of information should be found and offered a jerry springer type talk show.

I believe that we "The Iraqi Military Regime" Have been criminal and stupid. :)
And will now pay by losing everything.
Here's to a free Iraqi

iraqi infomation minister believes they will defeat the coallition forces just as hitler did in 1945. we need him alive world is short of good comedians

iraqi infomation minister believes they will defeat the coallition forces just as hitler did in 1945. we need him alive world is short of good comedians

i here that the uc marines have sprayed the desert with Viagra and the P***k has stood up

something beautiful and creative.. Sadam being tortured and killed by his own people.. yeah, that would be interesting to watch.

I think the Dis-Information Minister is a really
smart guy - overplaying his role (one he hasn't
volunteered for), making himself look ridiculous,
is perhaps his only way for him to distance himself from the regime. The only way to not
get shot in the back and not being killed by the US.

not being shot by the current regime, that is..

WE ARE LOOKING FOR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION --

WHO SUPPLIED SADDAM WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ? WE KNOW THE IRAQIS DONT HAVE THE BRAINS AND TECHNOLOGY TO MAKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. WHO SUPPLIED THE RAW MATERIALS FOR THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ? EUROPEAN AND AMERICAN FORTUNE 500 CHEMICAL COMPANIES !!! WHEN THERE IS NEWS VIDEO THAT SHOWS RUMSFELD SHAKING SADDAMS HAND AND HAVING TEA AT ONE OF HIS PALACES IN 1983 -- HOW COME IT WAS OKAY FOR IRAQ TO HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION BACK THEN !!!!
(GO TO GOOGLE SEARCH -- RUMSFELD MEETS SADDAM

HOW COME RUMSFELD NEVER TALKS ABOUT THIS MEETING

READ THE FACTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF !!!!!!!

It's not over yet, but I'm willing to wager
(1) Iraq has no weapons of mass destruction and (2) some will be "found" anyway, so that the loss of thousands of lives can be somehow justified.
No wonder Arabs do not respect the West.

DID YOU NOTICE THERE WERE VERY FEW IRAQIS AROUND SADDAMS STATUE BEFORE IT FELL.

FOR A CITY OF 5 MILLION IN THE CENTER OF THE CITY IN THE DAYLIGHT OF THE AFTERNOON HOW COME ?

AHAMAD CHALEBI WAS FLOWN IN BY THE PENTAGON WITH 700 HUNDRED OF HIS SOLDIERS TO NASRIAH.

THE U.S. MILITARY MADE CHALEBIS SOLDIERS TAKE THERE UNIFORMS OFF AND START INITIATING TAKING DOWN OF THE STATUE.

WIDE SCREEN CAMERAS FROM REUTERS SHOW DOZENS OF US TANKS KEEPING GUARD IN THE BACK GROUND.

AHAMD CHALEBIS OF THE IRAQIS NATIONAL CONGRESS SOLIDERS -- LOOK MIDDLE EASTERN SO WHEN THEY WERE DRESSED IN CIVILIAN CLOTHING KNOWBODY DETECTED THEY WERE SOLDIERS UNDER U.S. DIRECTION.

THIS CREATED THE TIDAL WAVE THAT CARRIED ON TO THE REAL IRAQI CIVILIANS CARRYING SADDAMS HEAD DOWN THE STREET. AND FURTHER CHAOS

LESSON TO ALL DICTATORS : DON'T HAVE TOO MANY STATUES OF YOUR SELF. THEY WILL LEAD TO YOUR DOWN FALL.

THE US GOVERNMENT CAREFULLY ORCHESTRATED A MOB OF SOLDIERS DRESSED LIKE CIVILIANS THAT MADE A DRAMATIC SCENE THAT LED TO THE FURTHER CHAOS OF BAGHDAD.

RULE 1 : IT DOSEN'T ALWAYS SEEM THE WAY IT LOOKS

RULE 2: Sometimes, it does seem the way it looks. How do you explain the women and children in the "carefully orchestrated mob of soldiers"?

WE ARE LOOKING FOR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION --

WHO SUPPLIED SADDAM WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ?

WE KNOW THE IRAQIS DONT HAVE THE BRAINS AND TECHNOLOGY TO MAKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

WHO SUPPLIED THE RAW MATERIALS FOR THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ?

EUROPEAN AND AMERICAN FORTUNE 500 CHEMICAL COMPANIES SUPPLIED CHEMICALS FOR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION !!!

******WHEN THERE IS NEWS VIDEO THAT SHOWS RUMSFELD SHAKING SADDAMS HAND AND HAVING TEA AT ONE OF HIS PALACES IN 1983

-- HOW COME IT WAS OKAY FOR IRAQ TO HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION BACK THEN !!!!

(GO TO GOOGLE AND SEARCH -- "RUMSFELD MEETS SADDAM"

HOW COME RUMSFELD NEVER TALKS ABOUT THIS MEETING

READ THE FACTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF !!!!!!!

America, the people of, will sends its officals and its non-government conrolled press to talk and listen to lies of leaders. Saddam and his followers like Mohammed Said al-Sahhaf. America will wait until the evidence is in. Then make a majority vote on responce, 13 years in this case. America does not put its people into war from an overnight claim. When America goes to war its for the win and loss is not an option. Remember that in a free country we have the right to elect new leaders every 4 years. So what you see in the past is not, the today. The today is for the future. If it turns out for the good, we did our best. If it turns for the worst, we did our best.

Long live America, Long live Freedom and may the Iraqi people learn to savor the flavor of Freedom.

WAS SADDAM A REAL THREAT ?

HE WAS AN EX - CIA AGENT. SADDAM WAS USED TO

PREVENT IRAN FROM EXPORTING ITS ISLAMIC

PARTY OF GOD REVOLUTION TO THE REST OF THE

MIDDLE EAST REGION AND SHIA MUSLIM COUNTRIES.

SADDAM WAS A U.S. ALLY AT THAT TIME AND WAS ENCOURAGED AND

SUPPLIED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION BY THE

UNITED STATES TO ATTACK IRAN. THEN SADDAM GOT

SMART -- BETRAYED THE USA AND ATTACKED KUWAIT.

THIS SCARED THE HELL OUT OF THE USA BECAUSE OF

THE OIL RESERVES AND SADDAM ALL OF A SUDDEN

BECAME THEIR ENEMY.

*** THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN

PEOPLE DID NOT DYE FOR FREEDOM -- RATHER DIRTY

POLITICS AND ECONOMICS.

SADDAM TURNED ON THE USA. IF IRAQ DID

NOT HAVE OIL -- THE USA AND WORLD WOULD HAVE

FORGOTTEN ABOUT THEM LIKE RWANDA AND BOSNIA FOR

7 YEARS AND LET THEM LIVE OPPRESSED AND CONTINUE

GENOCIDE. BUT OIL ALL OF A SUDDEN MAKES A

COUNTRY IMPORTANT. AS BUSH SAYS "STRATEGIC"

1) WHAT THREAT ? HIS REGIME LASTED FOR ONLY 3 WEEKS !!!!

2) SADDAM DID NOT EVEN GET ONE FIGHTER PLANE IN THE SKY

3) SADDAM DID NOT USE CHEMICAL WEAPONS

4) SADDAM FIRED 6 MISSLES AT KUWAIT AND ONLY ONE MADE IT THROUGH AND IT CAUSED MINIMAL DAMAGE. --

THE REST OF THE MISSLES WERE TAKEN DOWN BY PATRIOTS

5) SADDAM ONLY MANAGED TO KILL A 170 SOLDIERS.

6) FOR A ARMY FORCE OF 300,000 THAT IS 0.00001 %
WHAT A JOKE.

7) WE ARE GOING TO SPEND A $ 100 BILLION DOLLARS TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM SUCH A JOKE HARMLESS REGIME --- WHAT A WASTE OF TAX PAYERS HARD EARNED DOLLARS.

ALL THE STATUES, FEAR, REPUBLICAN GUARDS, SADDAM FEDEYEEN TURNED OUT TO BE BULL SHIT. ALL WERE WEAK --- ALL HYPE

WHAT A CONSPIRACY --- BUT THE SMALL TOWN FAMILY

OR MILITARY MAN OR WOMEN DOESN'T SEE THE BIG

PICTURE BUT NOW YOU SEE.

WOULD RUMSFELD, TOMMY FRANKS, OR BUSH SEND THEIR

DAUGHTER , OR SON TO RISK THEIR LIFE FOR A

ECONOMIC WAR . I WOULD LOVE IT IF SOME ONE ASKED

THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU MUST FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY IF IT FACES

INVASION OR THE ENEMY IS GOING TO TAKE YOUR HOME

NOT TO RISK YOUR LOVED ONES FOR A BIG POLITICAL ECOMOMIC CONSPIRACY. MONEY MONEY MONEY !!!!!

READ THE FACTS AND DECIDE YOURSELF.

SPREAD THE NEWS !!!!!!

I figured what the Un-conventional weapon was. It was the laying down their own weapons and leaving before anyone knew they were there. You can not get any more non-conventional than that, can you?

Anyone have any idea when the last time a complete army just evaporated?

CIA CUTS A DEAL WITH SADDAM -- LAST MINUTE !!!!!

ACCORDING TO THE INTERNATIONAL NEWS AGENCY -- BAGHDAD BUREAU

WHEN U.S. SOLDIERS ARRIVED AT BAGHDAD AIRPORT -- CIA CUT A DEAL WITH SADDAM AND SONS AND TOP MILITARY OFFICIALS TO ALLOW THE RUSSIANS TO EXILE THEM TO AN UNDISCLOSED ISLAND OFF GREECE --- IN RETURN FOR GIVING UP BAGHDAD AND NOT USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

THIS IS WHY THE IRAQIS DID NOT USE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND THE SO CALLED SADDAM FEDEYEEN AND REPUBLICAN GUARDS DID NOT PUT UP A FIGHT IN BAGHDAD AND TIKRIT. SADDAMS HOME TOWN.

ALL THE TOP OFFICALS FLED ON RUSSIAN SPECIAL OPERATIONS HELICOPTERS AND THE ARMY COLLAPSED.

THE U.S.A GOVERNMENT WANTS TO COVER THIS UP FROM THE GENERAL AMERICAN PUBLIC JUST LIKE PREVIOUS EVENTS SUCH AS ASSASINATION OF JOHN F. KENNEDY.

THIS IS WHY THE MEDIA GAME AND PENTAGON BRIEFINGS AND GAMES AS TO WHERE IS SADDAM CONTINUE. OR IS HE ALIVE OR DEAD.

THE ORDINARY AMERICAN PUBLIC AND THE POOR MILITARY FAMILIES OF DEAD SOLDIERS ARE BEING PLAYED AGAIN BY GOOD OLD UNCLE SAM.

SADDAM AND HIS SONS WILL LIVE COMFORTABLE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES WITH THE $ 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS IN COVERED UP BANK ACCOUNTS IN SWITZERLAND AND ILES OF MANN.

SADDAM WAS SMART -- HE HELD BACK UNTIL THE LAST MOMMENT. HOWEVER, WHEN HE SAW THE TROOPS AT THE GATES OF BAGHDAD HE DECIDED TO GIVE UP INSTEAD OF COMMITING SUICIDE OR USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS THAT WOULD HAVE KILLED HIS OWN PEOPLE AND DESTROY HIS NAME IN HISTORY FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS TO COME.

IT WAS IN THE U.SA. BEST INTEREST TO REDUCE AMERICAN, BRITISH, AUSTRALIAN CASULTIES , IF SADDAM USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS. ALSO IT WOULD HAVE CONTAMINATED BAGHDAD. THE USA TOOK ALL THIS INTO ACCOUNT AND DECIDED IT IS IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO GET RID OF SADDAM BY NEGOTIATION.

IN 25 TO 60 YEARS THE FILES WILL BE DE CLASSIFIED BY THE CIA AND THE NEXT GENERATION OF AMERICANS WILL LEARN OF THE BETRAYAL OF THEIR GOVERNMENT.

BY THE WAY THE US TROOPS DIDN,T GUARD THE PRICELESS ANTIQUES AND ARTIFACTS IN THE MUSEUM BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO LET IRAQIS WIPE OUT THEIR ROOTS OF CIVILIZATION SO THE FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL NOT KNOW THEIR ROOTS AND A NEW WESTERN IRAQ WILL EMERGE WITHOUT TRACES OF PREVIOUS CULTURE AND LESS CHANCE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO CHANGE THE REGIME IN THE FUTURE.

IF THEY DONT HAVE PROOF ABOUT THEIR ROOTS, THEY WON'T ASK FOR CHANGE IN 20 YEARS FROM NOW. THEY WILL BE BORN INTO A WESTERN IRAQ AND THE FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL ADAPT TO THIS.

READ THE FACTS AND DECIDE FOR YOUR SELF !!!

SPREAD THE WORD

An Ode to Baghdad Bob

By Jeff Scism

Ah, what sorrow at your passing, dear Bob,
after all you were just doing your job.
To tell the truth, for your people to see,
Just the way Saddam wanted it to be.

And to be sure in Great Satan's land,
you had supporters who would clap their hands,
at every twist and turn of your story,
after all it promoted Saddam's glory.

For we could see clearly in the light,
that the news was "live" and ever so right,
and you said it is all just illusion,
while US Tanks emerged from the confusion.

Those on far left joined in your dance,
at the Oscars, in the West Wing, and all across France.
While naysayers sweated and wrung their hands,
They danced your tune, and joined the Chick's Band.

But ever so sure, as the sun does rise,
Flashes and smoke, tracers lit the skies.
And what should you hear each morning at dawn?
The roar of jet-thunder, and the crack of the Bombs.

As Baghdad crumbles and the regime falls apart,
You find yourself alone, making a new start.
For all have left you holding the bag,
to face the music, and your tongue awag.

Saddam, Saddam, the empty cry,
again "in the rubble", Americans reply.
Was it him, or just another bad dream,
could it be true, what could it mean?

Your story is false and the world has told
That for you and yours there is only one road.
The truth is now fiction, and the word is a lie,
For you face the facts, and still you deny.

Oh, Bob, Oh Bob, what could you do?
To tell false facts, and a story untrue
Little was gained and the more to lose
now they just hit you with shoes.