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March 26, 2003
BBC Notebook Updates Basra Column
Southern Iraq :: Clive Myrie :: 1923GMT Comments
and soon to be dead ducks all in a row. war is such a terrible waste of sperm. Posted by: angryKook at March 26, 2003 02:43 PMAs I said at 2:01, "they're toast." Posted by: George Peery at March 26, 2003 02:45 PM[Homer]Mmmmmmm crispy duck. /me runs off for some Thai food. I wonder if it will ever be known who gave those Iraqi troops their marching/suicide orders Posted by: Uzi at March 26, 2003 02:45 PMDoesn't quack like a duck, doesn't move like a duck -- must be a dead duck! Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) at March 26, 2003 02:46 PMGreat news. I feel bad for Iraqi soliders that are dying needlessly, but I don't want our guys to be run over by them. Nice side effect is less chance of civilian casualties, I wonder who gave this order. Posted by: ElCapitanAmerica at March 26, 2003 02:46 PMWhat if they loaded up the trucks, tanks with women and children? Posted by: cb at March 26, 2003 02:47 PMI don't really feel too bad for Iraqi soldiers mainly because they could surrrender. I realize that its dangerous for them, but they do have a choice. Posted by: Lisa at March 26, 2003 02:48 PMcb - Good point CB, but nothing you can do about it either way... Posted by: politicaobscura at March 26, 2003 02:50 PMI thought about them maybe using human shields as well, but how will that work if we don't know about them? No way to spin they were there giving free rides to the kiddies. Also, one word keeps popping into my head: "Bait". Don't know why, or how it could be so but it just seems like that kind of tactic. So senseless, it actually means something. We'll see. Posted by: Barry at March 26, 2003 02:52 PMtrue, would be sad if that happened but not our fault. Wonder if they were heading for Iran? Posted by: cb at March 26, 2003 02:52 PMDuring the Desert Storm, the highway of death was one of the big factors in making the US decision makers cease combat ops. Do you think the Iraqi's are trying to recreate those conditions? Posted by: Joe at March 26, 2003 02:53 PMKilled by "Merkins", strung up by Iraqis, that's their choice. Posted by: Sandy P. at March 26, 2003 02:54 PM"During the Desert Storm, the highway of death was one of the big factors in making the US decision makers cease combat ops. Do you think the Iraqi's are trying to recreate those conditions?" Interesting theory.. I don't think the President will bow to that though.. Still, a very intersting theory. Posted by: Ben Noah at March 26, 2003 02:55 PMcb asks: What if they loaded up the trucks, tanks with women and children? There'd be hundreds of dead women and children to add to the Iraqi leadership's war-crimes tab. The really sickening part is that they might just pull something like that. I doubt it, though. They wouldn't want to lose the hardware. Posted by: E. Nough at March 26, 2003 02:55 PMDo you think the Iraqi's are trying to recreate those conditions? If they are is a big miscalculation, it won't work now, since we have promised the Iraqi population, specially the Kurds, we We can't betray them again. Posted by: ElCapitanAmerica at March 26, 2003 02:56 PMIs this the way they put obstacles in the road? Posted by: oceanguy at March 26, 2003 02:56 PMHmm...uprising in Basra rumored. Bully boys have to fire on townspeople. Then big convoy heads out from town. Sounds like desperation rather than premeditation. (Plus, remeber the water situation in town is pretty critical.) Posted by: Observer at March 26, 2003 02:56 PMI am willing to bet that their calculus was something like, "Ahmed, I cannot see anything in this Allah-blessed sandstorm. Let's take this opportunity to secretly move our armor and attack the infidels!" Alas, there is that thermal imaging technology... Posted by: Andrew at March 26, 2003 02:58 PMBetting on thes guys being that stupid is risky business. Me thinks they might have something up their sleeves Posted by: Seth Russell at March 26, 2003 03:01 PMand this may just be the entree, apparently a far larger column is also performing the same brilliantly dumb maneuver south of Baghdad. Posted by: angryKook at March 26, 2003 03:01 PMBut the Highway of Death in Desert Storm blew away Iraqi soldiers fleeing for home. If I understand the news correctly, this column was headed the other way (to an apparent dead end)towards our forces. Beats the hell out of me what they thought they were doing. D'you suppose the same thing will happen to this alleged column coming down on the MEF at Nasariyah? Hope so! Posted by: RLG at March 26, 2003 03:02 PMHighway of Death II? Posted by: Melissa at March 26, 2003 03:03 PMThis sonds like a job for our A-10 pilots. All I have to say is: Happy Hunting! Posted by: David Copley at March 26, 2003 03:03 PMLooks to me like the Basra convoy is the test of the "fight the infidel while his helos are grounded" ploy. If the Basra battle group gets cut down, the Baghdad group runs away back to base before it happens to them. Posted by: zack mollusc at March 26, 2003 03:19 PMI'd be willing to bet that things got bad in Basra, so they thought they'd try to use the sandstorm as cover to dash north and join their Republican Guard brothers. They're in for a big surprise. Posted by: Curt at March 26, 2003 03:24 PMAnother possibility is that they *had* to leave Basra, due to planned bio/chem destruction within city limits. In such a scenario I might expect them to disperse rather than concentrate during exodus, however. Posted by: reader at March 26, 2003 03:42 PMIts a bold tactic to come out and fight in the sandstorm when a lot of our advantages: Helos, non SAR intelligence, CAS, long range direct fire from armor, are degraded. It seems it "paid off", relatively of course, with the attack on Najaf yesterday, that actually let them sneak up close enough to get into a fight at "point blank ranges" for the bridges. They actually "took out" M1s and M2s. It seems they are attempting the same tactic again but the sandstorms have let up and no one is gonna miss a convoy. Its a lot different than coming out of a city in battalion strength to hit a bridge right outside the city. Their "success" at Najaf yesterday was based on "good execution". Hopefully they are trying to repeat their "success" with larger formations all over Iraq after they are worked over by TAC air AC-130s can accept their surrender. Posted by: Vea Victis at March 26, 2003 03:51 PMDesperation and impatience can cause bad decisions. Instead of the Highway of Death, this reminds me of another episode in Gulf War I. During the bombing campaign, I remember the Iraqi tanks suddenly broke loose and captured a small, unguarded town at the (Saudi?) border. The Iraqi commander was hailed as a hero, and congratulated personally by Saddam (who of course planned the operation). In fact it was a horrible move by the commander. The town had no strategic value, and his tanks were massacred on the way there by A-10's. He left because of impatience and knowledge that he was in a "use them or lose them" situation. My guess is that there's a commander who is taking a stab at glory, wanting to take the really remote chance at victory than wait to be defeated. Not what you'd expect from a trained, disciplined commander. Posted by: Buckland at March 26, 2003 03:54 PMMaybe when the Iraqi forces try to defend in place they tend to get wiped out by bombing and artillery, so their commanders figure that the best way to use their armies is to attack and try to cause a few coalition casualties. Their only other choice would be to go into the cities and use human shields, but then they'd have to give up their heavy weapons. And most regular Iraqi soldiers probably don't want to fight that way anyway. Posted by: qfz at March 26, 2003 03:58 PMThe Iraqis are extending their defensive perimeter, by trying to engage farther out from Baghdad, hoping to delay. Also, if they can push through at Najaf, they can pressure the crossing point to Nasiriyah, which is critical for bringing supplies forward. Posted by: ronnie schreiber at March 26, 2003 04:25 PMthis is darwinism at its best, Post a comment
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