“I can not vote for John Kerry. If for no other reason, it would be spitting in the faces of all our Veterans, past, present, and future.”

Posted by: No Party at October 27, 2004 02:42 PM

…a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not the person you want as your commander in chief

Ha-ha, Pot meet kettle.

ok, ep

Posted by: elvispresley2k at October 27, 2004 04:12 PM

EP The guy knows the facts - he just enjoys nuancing them to death. Either that or he lies about them. BTW - I’m talking about the Pathologic Liar of ‘Christmas Dinner in Cambodia’ fame, in case you were drawing the wrong inferences…

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at October 27, 2004 04:26 PM

Yeah, I mean, his own CIA director, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, MI6, KGB, the Mossad, most Arab governments, and just about everybody else all thought Saddam Hussein had illegal weapons.

-300,000 chemical containment suits.
-UN inspectors thwarted at every turn in their “inspections”.
-Failure to comply with simple UN requirements.
-Failure to document unaccounted for weapons.
-Obvious attempts at bribery of UN officials.
-Previous use of weapons of mass destruction in the past..on his own people. And on his enemies, resulting in thousands dead.
-Extensive attempts to get them and research them in the past
-Evidence of ongoing attempts to circumvent the sanctions in search of weapons.
-Satellite evidence of reconstituted sites.
-Failure to give unfettered access to UN inspectors.

Yeah, hell, why would anyone jump to the conclusion that Saddam might have weapons of mass destruction? I can’t imagine.

Pot meet kettle, my ass. You’re the old, fat Elvis, aren’t you?

Posted by: Ebonic Plague at October 27, 2004 05:17 PM

Gosh Ebonic….what about in 2000 when Rice, Rumsfield, Powell and Bush all said they had every confidence that Iraq in fact had NO wmd’s at all? They’re all on video saying it…until they flip-flopped after 9/11.

Posted by: Jatsby at October 27, 2004 05:38 PM

So you agree that he didn’t jump to conclusions, Jatsby?

Posted by: Ebonic Plague at October 27, 2004 05:43 PM

By the way, I hope you’re planning on providing citations for these comments you’re making, and if you do, I hope your argument for Dr. Rice’s etc “flip-flopping” is constituted by more than this flimsy argument:

“February 2000: Condoleeza Rice : “if they [Iraq] do acquire WMD, their weapons will be unusable because any attempt to use them will bring national obliteration.”

One would hope, anyway.

Posted by: Ebonic Plague at October 27, 2004 05:56 PM

Plus, I would appreciate a citation of any statement anywhere using the term (or its equivalent)

“I have every confidence that Iraq has no weapons of mass destruction”

Hey, I’m always willing to listen to an opposing side, but you’re going to have to do better with your arguments than the “Clip and Save WMD lies” pamphlet from the DNC.

Posted by: Ebonic Plague at October 27, 2004 06:00 PM

Ebonic, that’s perfectly fair. The easiest source is Michael Moore’s ambitious if flawed movie, wherein they are each shown on film making the statements I cited above. If I have to track down the individual sources for each of those, then I will endeavor to do so. But suffice it to say, you can go to your local Blockbuster and see the same thing; they are all very confidently stating that there’s just no way the wmd’s could exist. I believe Dr. Rice goes so far as to say that it’s impossible, because “we have successfully suppressed any opportunity” that Saddam might have had to make them.

Posted by: Jatsby at October 27, 2004 06:11 PM

In fact, EP, let me point you back to the quote you cited: “February 2000: Condoleeza Rice : “if they [Iraq] do acquire WMD, their weapons will be unusable because any attempt to use them will bring national obliteration.”

…She was referring there, if you’ll notice the tense, to there not being any in the first place.

Posted by: Jatsby at October 27, 2004 06:52 PM

..if its a wild charge you are looking for..check this out..
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/AndyWilcoxson41025.htm

Posted by: Rob_NC at October 27, 2004 10:03 PM

Almost sounds like the Viet Kong there, Rob…

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at October 28, 2004 06:52 AM

Jatsby,

Yes, by all means let’s use Fahrenheit 9/11 as our source. Because, you know, Moore is the zenith of objectivity. Let’s take this quote, for example:

ROLL FILM: (Condoleeza Rice)
“Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11.”
CUT.
Pretty damning stuff, isn’t it? But that was the truncated, Michael Moore version, Jatsby. Now for the full, unexpurgated quote:
“Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It’s not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York.”

Well that’s a different quote, Jatsby. So why is Big Mike editing?

I think we know why.

Any comparison of intentionally abridged quotes, or misunderstood excerpts like the one I gave you pre 9/11 to John Kerry changing his positions like he changes his underwear is silly. 9/11 required a reevaluation of all current and potential threats. As I pointed out above, the idea, with all the info then currently and subsequently available, that we somehow “jumped to conclusions” in Iraq is absurd. What other conclusion could reasonably have been drawn? The President was nearly lynched for “failing to act” on the nebulous Aug 6th PDB memo.

Still waiting for those links. Make sure you get all quotes in their entirety.

Posted by: Ebonic Plague at October 28, 2004 11:55 AM

Ebonic Plague It is useless to be waiting on the likes of Jatsby. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT hold your breath.

BTW, Jatsby… You jumped overboard prematurely on the thread regarding all those lies that Mr. O’Neill was spreading like butta, how’s about you cough up what you found in that regard? Pretty slim pickin’s? How about if we just play turnabout, and you come up with a couple of statements that Kerry has made that have proven to be TRUE?

Nah. Ya can’t do it, can you? That’s what I like about Liars. Thicker’n Thieves.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at October 28, 2004 03:01 PM