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2004 US Presidential Election
September 21, 2004
| Kerry says he would not have overthrown Saddam

From the AP :

Staking out new ground on Iraq, Sen. John Kerry said Monday he would not have overthrown Saddam Hussein had he been in the White House, and he accused President Bush of “stubborn incompetence,” dishonesty and colossal failures of judgment. Bush said Kerry was flip-flopping.
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Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator who deserves his own special place in hell,” he added. “But that was not, in itself, a reason to go to war. The satisfaction we take in his downfall does not hide this fact: We have traded a dictator for a chaos that has left America less secure.”

Bush hit back from a campaign rally in New Hampshire, interpreting Kerry’s comment to mean the Democrat believes U.S. security would be better with Saddam still in power. “He’s saying he prefers the stability of a dictatorship to the hope and security of democracy,” the Republican incumbent said.

Today, my opponent continued his pattern of twisting in the wind,” Bush said. “He apparently woke up this morning and has now decided, No, we should not have invaded Iraq, after just last month saying he would have voted for force even knowing everything we know today.”
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Kerry called on Bush to do a much better job rallying allies, training Iraqi security forces, hastening reconstruction plans and ensuring that elections are conducted on time. But his speech was thin on details, with Kerry saying Bush’s miscalculations had made solutions harder to come by.

Bush cited Kerry’s four-point plan and dismissed it as proposing “exactly what we’re currently doing.”
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Kerry said in August that he would have voted in 2002 to give Bush war-making ability, even had he known no weapons of mass destruction would be found. He stood by the vote again Monday, saying the president needed to use the threat of force to “act effectively” against Saddam.

He made a distinction between that vote to grant a president war-making authority and what he himself would have done as commander in chief with such power.
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Kerry has sounded more hawkish, as in December when Democratic primary rival Howard Dean said the world was not safer with Saddam out of power. Anybody who believes that, Kerry said, doesn’t “have the judgment to be president.”

Reading that quote to his GOP crowd on Monday, Bush cracked: “I could not have said it better.”



Posted by Alan Brain at September 21, 2004 02:55 AM | TrackBack
Comments

All right I’m breaking my own rules by entering your political debate. Forgive me I am absolutely bemused. Does Senator Kerry have a single position on any subject. His position on Iraq can only be likened to a corksrew. Purely as an outside observer…..Does he have a view/ position/ strategy for this major battle in the GWOT??

I have been personally envolved in some of the mistakes that we have made in Iraq. YES , we have made some real beauties, we’ve also done a lot more that was brilliant. For sure there have been both Political and Military miscalculations, no doubt about it. Battles have never gone to plan, as no plan survives first contact with the enemy.

The coalition is learning on the run, improvising adapting , and overcoming the problems. Senator Kerry meanwhile appears to have adopted a contrary approach, improvise, vacillate, go with the forgeries and be overcome by the wave of problems.

I have only one reason to support the status quo….The Free World has a leader , with an objective and a war plan. I’ll go with a weak plan and enthusiasm, rather than no plan.

Posted by: max [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2004 05:52 AM

Does he have a view/ position/ strategy for this major battle in the GWOT??

I think he mentioned once that his plan in Iraq is to do it better.

Looking back, I’ve never heard him say that he’d do it worse. The principles of this man Kerry - like or rock. or at least like a jello salad without the marshmallows.

Posted by: wafflestomper [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2004 10:17 AM

How out of touch can Kerry be? In the age of Lexis/Nexis and video archives he goes and flatly contradicts his prior positions in strident statements before cameras and microphones, and then tries to sell it as nuance? Does he not realize that a lot of people pay attention to this, and that he’s providing Bush with commercials that write themselves?

This can’t be a new phenomenon with Kerry, unless he’s gone daft, which leads to a few conclusions:

1. Kerry thinks that at least 51% of us are utter morons.

2. The people of Massachussetts have given him no reason to think otherwise.

3. Whoever is advising Kerry to adopt this strategy (assuming somebody is) either doesn’t want him to win or thinks he has no shot unless things get really crappy really fast in Iraq, because he’s just put all his chips on the “Don’t Pass” line.

4. Kerry is incapable of adopting a strategy or position and defending or sticking to it in the face of any adversity.

Bush may be an idiot (I don’t believe that — fighter pilots aren’t idiots) who isn’t very well-spoken (I can’t fight that one), but I know what I’m getting with him and his crew. Kerry is like Curtain #3 on “Let’s Make a Deal!” — the best we’re gonna get out of it is a lemon car and a big tax bill, and we might end up with Monty’s Hen House.

Posted by: TL [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2004 10:17 AM

Bush wouldn’t need to be very smart to toast Kerry in the debates. He just needs to bring a deck of 3×5 cards with quotes from Kerry giving his previous positions. On this one, for example, he could read the one where Kerry says to Dean “anybody who does not realize that the world is safer without Saddam Hussein in power does not have the judgment to be president.”

Posted by: samuelv [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2004 11:11 AM

Even Kerry supporters like Don Imus thinks that kerry should just shut up

Posted by: navyvetagainstkerry [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2004 11:35 AM

Hah!

President George Bush as “the best recruiting sergeant ever for al-Qaida”. Read More…PLUS latest Bush endorsement

From those turncoat Commie former-allies who are withdrawing 1/3 of their already meager support for the Fiasco-NeoDictator-IraQuagmire

Oh and it looks like Wimp got a promotion from Latrine Orderly to Sergeant.

That Kerry shor is a flip-flopper. He’s now proposing doing exactly what coWard and “The Earth is still flat” Chainee are already doing. Hey, Georgie, Mr. One-Note…your program is stay-the-course, Kerry’s isn’t. Lessee…Kerry proposing what we’re doin…Kerry proposing retreat and defeat. Libby leakin (again) to Novak that after the election aWol is planning to cut and run. somehow, I can almost understand the alternate reality where this makes sense.

What it ultimately depends on is a gullible, bullying US cadre that can’t admit failure, as with ConDie ” no evidence that the Iraqis are falling into civil war”. If we never leave, we’ll never lose. This is the typical script for Boy George’s Great Adventures.

Condi, Condi, you’re a college grad. You’ve taught college students. Do you really believe that there is “no evidence that the Iraqis are falling into civil war”. If this is the bubble head that is really National Security Advisor, no wonder. No wonder. Who chose this joke?

Posted by: dubyus [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2004 11:39 AM

First, Dubyus makes no sense at all. A lot of words but not a whole lot of communication.

next, my take on this is somewhat more nuanced (as in Bull Nuance). Kerry was addressing a group at NYU. college kids and the idiot professors who allegedly teach them.

In essence Kerry was talking to the Deniacs. So being the spineless politician that he is, he simply told them what they wanted to hear.

Is he going to stay with this theme? Hard to say, his campaign keeps looking for “traction” and can’t seem to come up with. However one thing that does support Kerry’s staying with the anti war agenda is that it “shores up his base” which basically means it keeps him from getting swept in all fifty states.

Even the Akron Beacon Journal ran a front page article today explaining how the so called battlefield states had shifted to Bush. So Kerry’s gonna go back to the things that got him nominated. Unfortunately, those tired, trite tirades won’t get him elected.

Posted by: skip [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2004 11:50 AM

Kerry is only acting true to form. When there is danger and the battle is engaged, turn the boat around and retreat.

Nothing new there.

Posted by: Jim [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2004 12:57 PM

I saw that even a “blue state” like NJ is becoming a dead heat Clinton and Gore both won this state

check out quinnipiac university polling

Posted by: navyvetagainstkerry [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2004 02:25 PM

I think Kerry is just trying to set up Bush for the debates by forcing him to develop three and four and five different rebuttals for every topic that is likely to come up.

:jackson

Posted by: jackson zed [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2004 03:13 PM

jackson zed

At this rate, GW need not even show for the debates… Jo_Ke has enough positions to cover the whole show.

Posted by: Darleen [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2004 03:45 PM

Okay skip let me spell it out for you. If this won’t do it, then maybe the problem is that the facts make no sense to you. Sorry not to be able to help you there.

1. Senior British diplomat said, “President George Bush [is] “the best recruiting sergeant ever for al-Qaida”. He also said, “If anyone is ready to celebrate the eventual re-election of Bush, it’s al-Qaida.” UK is withdrawing 1/3 of their troops from Iraq.

2. Gratuitous insult about Bush. Particularly using his trademark W in an insulting way. He wants to have “Dubya” be his downhome Texas handle, not “Walker”, which sounds vaguely NewEnglandish, and might remind folks of his grandpappy’s questionable banker background.

3. Bush derides Kerry for wanting to cut and run in Iraq; then Bush derides Kerry for copycatting what Bush is already doing. Bush (and your fellow posters) deride Kerry for changing his positions. Hah! Only if you trust Bush to tell you what Kerry’s positions have been. (Aside-this is a real beaut— improvising, adapting, and overcoming the problems. When Bush does it, it’s a sign of manhood, not vacillation. Do you people realize what you’re writing? Bush’s MO is easy…do anything/say anything to get elected. It’s what God wants. Hah!)

4. Robert Novak who, surprisingly, hasn’t resigned from the Murdoch-controlled SunTimes for his part in the betrayal of a CIA agent (federal offense), reports from his secret WH sources that there are plans to cut and run.

5. Bush’s “stay the course; democracy and freedom are on the loose in Iraq” depends on suckers who are willing to buy his hogslop that everything is fine in Iraq. Unfortunately, as DALite has pointed out, the internet is too widespread for Bush and his bunch to completely control the news out of Iraq. In addition, through some slip up, his own 2 month old Intelligence Estimate makes his goody-two-shoes analysis look stupid.

6. Bush’s dumbass NSA head, Condoleeza Rice, is not really dumb, she just says dumb stuff. Making assertions like, “no evidence that the Iraqis are falling into civil war”. This is the brilliant Stanford professor with access to intelligence sources far beyond our own making obvious shit-for-brains assertions.

7. George has been in the situation before where he has created a mess and needed to be bailed out…also called “Boy George’s Great Adventures.” Deserved insult—moral coWardice and irresponsibility

Anyone who can’t connect these dots is dumber than a matched set of fenceposts. you are being duped.

On the other hand, maybe not. Maybe you really, really want Holy George to be elected. And you don’t want to be confused with the facts. Either way, skip hope that clears things up for you.

Oh one more thing…I didn’t tell you anything more than you already knew. And I already knew that your throwaway line was an insult. Most likely, you don’t give a rat’s rear what I have to say. No worries…the British diplomat still said uncomplimentary things about your boy. And Condi is still either deluded or a dumbshit. Either way, she is representative of this joke of an administration.

Posted by: dubyus [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2004 05:23 PM

Wow, Skip. You sure lit a fire under dumby@ss.

Posted by: Jim [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 21, 2004 06:56 PM

Yeah Skip, you must have touched a nerve on that lib. However, he has proved he can count to 7. That’s even better than Michael ‘fatmountain’ Moore can do.

Posted by: dickmr [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 22, 2004 01:34 AM

dubyus Let me guess - You’re from Wyoming.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 22, 2004 07:26 AM

dubyus:
Can you please explain to me what Kerry’s position is on Iraq? I mean, in detail. Not the goals, such as “get more countries on side” but a reasonably believable way of accomplishing them, and how they differ in detail from what Bush is doing at the moment?

Ta.

Oh yes - if Kerry contradicts what you’re saying some time in the next week, expect howls of derisive laughter, Bruce. If he contradicts you after a week, you get a pass.

Posted by: aebrain [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 22, 2004 10:57 AM

Geeeesh, dubyus! Are you SilentRunning in Yellowstone Lake, or one of the HotPots?

Posted by: Cap'n DOC [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 22, 2004 11:16 PM

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