Steve, I have only one issue with your piece here. I know you are kidding(maybe) about your last line:

If this doesn’t give us the bounce we need, let’s all move to France, because Americans deserve John Kerry, and this country is no longer worth living in.

If, by some disaster, Senator Kerry wins this election I would slapping may ancestors in the face if I considered leaving this country. No sir…I will not leave. I WILL pull out the stops to return the government of America back to the adults once again.

Far too many of the folks on the other side have told said they will leave the country if Bush won the election the first time. Ms. Striesand said this. One of the seemingly hundreds of Baldwin boys said it as well. Funny…they are still here. Perhaps they had an attack of REAL patriotism and decided to put up a fight…unfortunately they have taken a knife to a gun fight.

Posted by: Wayne Fielder at September 1, 2004 11:18 PM

I’m with you Wayne. I’ve thought about leaving if Kerry is elected, but my ancestors call me to become a militant and make Kerry and his electorate as miserable as possible and drive him and his kind out of our America and return us to the principles of our foundation.

Posted by: TexasGal at September 1, 2004 11:43 PM

TexasGal -

Why am I not surprised that a lady from Texas would rather FIGHT than Flee? ;) I guess it’s in the blood of Kentuckians and Texans. Kentuckians opened up the rest of the country for settlement by the establishment of Fort Harrod and Fort Boonesboro…the first permanent settlements west of the Appalachians. Some of those settlers along with some folks from Tennessee moved on to Texas to form(apologies before hand) the second greatest state in the Union. ;)

Welcome to our little rhetorical army darlin! With God, Texas, and Kentucky on our side…who can possibly stand against us!!!

Posted by: Wayne Fielder at September 1, 2004 11:52 PM

Powerful Butt Ointment - I’m still laughing at that.

Is that what it says on the label?

Maybe when Senator Kerry isn’t elected he can get a career endorsing Powerful Butt Ointment like Senator Dole endorsed Viagra.

Posted by: John Davies at September 1, 2004 11:56 PM

Zell’s speech presented a clear view of the Democratic party’s demise into a bleak landscape of a self loathing anti-Americanizm. A secular, Godless landscape. It showed very well upon my tube up here in New Hampshire. He smoked Kerry and his ambulance chasing comrade.

Posted by: Deusrex at September 2, 2004 12:05 AM

Zell gave Kerry hell. I’ve never seen such a blunt, straight forward, absolutely clear and forceful speech. The most POWERFUL speech at the Republican convention came from a Democrat.

Posted by: Max Darkside at September 2, 2004 12:09 AM

Interesting to watch CNN. Wolf, Jeff and Andrea almost came unglued in attacking Zell.

Chris Mathews almost ame to blows with Zell. Intersting.

Posted by: anymouse at September 2, 2004 12:11 AM

Here’s the fact though. First let’s confirm by Zell’s outburst with both Wolf and Chris, and they were outburst, that he’s a little shall we say Out There ? Second, in paying close attention to remarks made after the Zell Yell, that Our own Cheney also voted no on many of those same weapons or aircraft. These are very complicated matters guys, I think Kerry himself would agree with that statement. Secondly, to rebut the spending on the military, 20 of the 86 to be passed was a blank check for our Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney. That is why Kerry voted no. Isn’t our debt already maxed out enough ?

Posted by: ~d~ at September 2, 2004 12:26 AM

d

I think what Zell was reacting to was the fact that Blitzer, Greenfield, and Mitchell were attacking him using demo talking points. Andrea and Wolf were the ones that started frothing and spitting, and tag team tactics.

To my knowledge VPOTUS did not vote against many if any of those programs during his 10 years in the House. He did argue against those systems as SECDEF...not on merit but as a response to the quadrenial review and to the defense appropriation cutbacks mandated by Congress. It was an either, or.

As for what Kerry voted against…in a time of war you do not always have the luxury of a 5 year plan for capital and recurring. The bills were not blank checks, as you say, but were not precisely allocated as a normal defense appropriation bill would be.

Posted by: anymouse at September 2, 2004 01:06 AM

As one who sometimes rather sheepishly has to admit living in the only state in the country NOT to vote for Reagen (Minnesota), I am convinced that Zell’s articulate “brimstone” will go a long way to pick up some “undecideds” in this state who will be willing to actually consider the issues, and THINK FOR THEMSELVES ! ! !

Posted by: fynney1 at September 2, 2004 01:28 AM

This thread is funny!!!

Speaking of Butt Ointment… I think there’s a new product on the market called Boudreaux’s Butt Paste (diaper rash ointment). It’s got a hysterical name, but it’s a real product!

Still catching my breath from Sen. Zell Miller’s magical speech!

Posted by: dewaun at September 2, 2004 01:44 AM

I wonder if Zell’s speechwriters got some inspiration from this article on The Command Post (and dated March 5th)?

The facts have always been out there. All the facts, including -d-’s well-reasoned (and IMHO valid) counterarguments that it’s not that simple. But also on the record are Kerry’s words when voting again and again and again. Or, more accurately, against and against and against. Odd examples of single bills may be validly viewed a nuanced. However there’s a pattern, one of the few things Kerry has been consistent on over the years.

Posted by: aebrain at September 2, 2004 02:04 AM

Bordeaux’s Butt Paste? Yes, the daiper rash ointment, made from French wine, for the French wannabe. dewaun, was that intentional?

I’ll be a devil’s advocate here. Ever read Atlas Shrugged? Ayn Rand showed how the best way to defeat the “income redistribution” crowd, is to give them exactly what they want. (Spoiler alert, in case it matters.) John Galt left the society that would demand he work for everyone else, convinced others that they could do the same, and then led the strike against forced productivity that eventually brought down the house of cards built up by the thieving office-holders.

If/when the time comes that you will bear it no more, you wash your hands of the situation, and you leave. Feel no guilt for doing so, or you will live your days in regret. Cut the ties, and only then can you move forward.

Posted by: gus3 at September 2, 2004 02:54 AM

oops, turned out I was posting on a different entry (a duplicate) so i’ll post my comments here.

Zell Miller is a Democrat like I’m Jewish. In other words, he’s not. Republicans have their RINOs, and Zell Miller is a DINO - Democrat In Name Only. Democrats don’t respect him, whoever the hell Ron Silver is, or the Governator. Your Republican leaders only want you to believe they do. The only guy in the Republican party that Democrats respect is John McCain. And even he thinks Kerry would make a good commander-in-chief (see his NBC interview after the Miller speech).

The only thing this speech will do is convince Americans that the Republicans have gone off the deep end.

And as far as asking who in the Dems can match Miller’s speech? No one can rave like a lunatic as well as Miller (well, maybe Al Sharpton), but many Dems are good at speechmaking - Obama, Clinton, John Edwards, to name three.

Don’t forget, this is the same Dixiecrat Zell Miller that was against all kinds of civil rights and lambasted Pres. Johnson for “giving in to the Negroes”. He does not embody Democratic values at all.

oh, and why won’t Republicans mention all the Defense programs Cheney axed/wanted to axe under Bush I? Cheney wanted to get rid of the F-14, the AH-64 Apache, the Bradley vehicle, the F15E, and the F16, all in ONE YEAR. The “huge numbers of weapons systems Kerry voted against” is misleading at best, and an outright lie at worst. The numbers the Republicans like to cite come from three Defense appropriations bills, and Republicans don’t like to mention that Kerry voted for 16 of 19 such bills in his term in the Senate.

My source: http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=209

Posted by: Pionar at September 2, 2004 04:15 AM

Zell’s speech presented a clear view of the Democratic party’s demise into a bleak landscape of a self loathing anti-Americanizm. A secular, Godless landscape. It showed very well upon my tube up here in New Hampshire. He smoked Kerry and his ambulance chasing comrade.

Posted by: Deusrex [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 2, 2004 12:05 AM

You’re clearly showing that you’re not a Democrat and know nothing about them. 99.9% of Democrats are as patriotic as anyone, and I would venture a guess that as many are God-fearing as the national average (which I believe is in the 70-80 percent range). Most of the Democrats I know (myself included) are in fact church-attending Christians. I even know a handful (myself included) that are pro-life. I’d like to make that number higher, but have no power to do so.

The main difference between Democrats and Republicans when it comes to religion is the fact that we Dems value God enough not to dirty His name with politics.

Posted by: Pionar at September 2, 2004 04:22 AM

Possible slogan for Powerful Butt Ointment:

“Rectum? Darn near killed him!”

Posted by: Bookman at September 2, 2004 09:04 AM

Pionar. WEAK.

“And even he thinks Kerry would make a good commander-in-chief (see his NBC interview after the Miller speech).”

Don’t forget the part about how McCain said he could accept Kerry as the CiC, but that his record ‘after he came back from Vietnam’ was fair game in this Campaign.

And it still is. My quess is that the majority of the almost two-and-a-half million men and women who served in Vietnam for over three times as long as Kerry was in-Country have kids who are of voting age. I’m one of those ‘monster’ parents. One of mine is voting for the first time in a Presidential election. She ain’t impressed with Kerry, and she came to that conclusion all on her own.

Zell gave him Hell. The SBVT are keeping folks well informed of Kerry’s inflated war-stories. Kerry will have plenty of spare time this December to really spend Christmas in Cambodia. What a Searing Soirée that could be!

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at September 2, 2004 09:05 AM

“…Dems value God enough not to dirty His name with politics.” Pionar

I still have memories of that (sarcasm) great, democrat Christian, Bill Clinton, clutching his bible as he walked into some church. (/sarcasm) Didn’t the same Bill Clinton appear in a church this past weekend to give a political “sermon?”

Yeah, I thought that was good old Bill.

As for Zell Miller being a DINO, I don’t know. I have to take him at his word that he wants to stay in the Democrat party to help revive it. After that speech last night, however, he might not have much of a choice - to either stay or revive it.

I should say GREAT speech last night! “Give ‘em Zell!” - Great title. Harry Truman is reported to have said, “They say give ‘em hell. I just tell them the truth and they think it’s hell.” That what Sen. Miller did last night, and I ENJOYED it!

Posted by: Jim at September 2, 2004 09:21 AM

If you’ll read Zell’s book, “A National Party No More”, you’ll get a better understanding why he’s convinced the Democratic-mobile needs to be sandblasted down to the bare metal to expose the rot underneath. He’s seen it go from a party of opportunity to a party of victims propping each other up and trying to outdo each other in their victimhood. He didn’t leave the party - the party left him.

If he were the Presidential candidate instead of Kerry, it’d be a REAL tough choice. Instead - with him coming out for Bush - I think it’ll sway a LOT of undecided votes to the Republican side.

J.

Posted by: JLL3 at September 2, 2004 10:11 AM

If he were the Presidential candidate instead of Kerry, it’d be a REAL tough choice JILL3

Except Democrats wouldn’t be so dumb as to nominate someone who doesn’t like them.

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Don’t forget the part about how McCain said he could accept Kerry as the CiC, but that his record ‘after he came back from Vietnam’ was fair game in this Campaign.

As well it should be. Just don’t try to twist it like the Republican Leadership has.

and…

Zell gave him Hell. The SBVT are keeping folks well informed of Kerry’s inflated war-stories. Cap’nDOC

At least he’s got war stories to tell beyond keggers and working for a political campaign.

and finally….

I still have memories of that (sarcasm) great, democrat Christian, Bill Clinton, clutching his bible as he walked into some church. (/sarcasm) Didn’t the same Bill Clinton appear in a church this past weekend to give a political “sermon?”Jim

What? Because he had an affair, he’s never again allowed to be a Christian, or to go to church ever again? What a strange view of Christianity. As far as appearing in a church this past weekend, I have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t stalk the guy. The last time I knew what he was doing, he was giving a luke-warm speech at the DNC. And why can’t he speak at a church if invited.

I think you misunderstood my remark. Sure, Dems may use religious views as a starting point or as a segment of a decision process - any human would, as one’s religion often shapes ones ethical values - but it’s not the be-all end-all decision maker that Republicans make religion out to be. God isn’t a pawn to be claimed by either party.

Posted by: Pionar at September 2, 2004 10:59 AM

A worthy effort Pionar, but you missed the point,

Clinton is a hypocrit. What I heard elsewhere, by way of complimenting Bush was this “He’s the same man Saturday night as he is Sunday morning”

That simply cannot apply to Clinton. Of course he’s welcome at a christian house of worship. It’s not about worship, it’s about faith. It’s about living the life not just mouthing the words.

but it was a nice try there.

Posted by: skip at September 2, 2004 12:18 PM

Pionar,

I am probably a week or two older than you. :-)

I had the honor of shaking Harry Truman’s hand in ‘57 on a train headed for Kansas City - Harry’s stop was Independence.

Zell Miller’s speech was a speech Truman could give and in just the same tone of voice. The ideals expressed were Trumans.

BTW when a Marine talks veterans listen. Even Army and AF. The Marines are the toughest. Why didn’t I mention the Navy? Because the Marines are the ground combat and boarding parties of the Navy. Not to mention a very significant proportion of our carrier pilots, the best in the world. So it goes without saying.

If the vet vote splits 80/20 Kerry is sunk. If the vets carry their friends and family Kerry will be buried.

I’ve carried my family. Now multiply that by a million.

Kerry lost the vet vote in ‘71. I love stupid Democrats. The rot of their ideas smells like victory.

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Steal this sig:

Why did John Kerry meet three times with the representatives of the Viet Cong and Communist North Vietnam?

Some times it takes a while to sell out your country.

New Soldier html

What is the War Hero Afraid of?
Form 180. Release ALL the records.

Posted by: M. Simon at September 2, 2004 12:22 PM

Let’s discuss who’s really afraid to disclose records.
On Bush’s Honorable Discharge ? He punched a sergeant while in the Marines. He was given an Hon. Discharge on the condition that he never re-enlist. He did not show up for a med. examination (gee, I wonder why). Was missing for one full year, only to show up one time Jan. 6 1973 for a Dental Appt. ! In 2000 a group of Alabama Vietnam Vets offered anyone $3,500.00 to come forward if they had seen him on guard duty from 4/72 thru 4/73, no takers. Later,Garry Trudea had Doonesbury offer a $10,000.00 reward for anyone who had seen him, still to takers. The facts go on and on where Bush has outright LIED to American’s. Hat’s off to Kerry, at least he had the dignity to serve, albeit a short time, but with all those awards in that short time period, that speaks volumes about his character and his ability to lead as Commander in Chief !! Bush must pick apart Kerry’s record because his own record is not worth discussing to anyone w/ any intellegence. He lies constantly because he thinks Americans are stupid and will fall for anything that comes out of his mouth.

Posted by: ~d~ at September 2, 2004 01:37 PM

http://
2004KerryEdwards.com
Right back at you Zell… To see a Republican Gov. of Texas speak out against Bush and his record.
Scroll down and click on : Movie
Web site provided by Veterans For Kerry.

Posted by: ~d~ at September 2, 2004 02:01 PM

d

I’ll bet if you asked really nice, Senator Kerry would let you spend Christmas Vacation with him in Cambodia…

You can sear each others brains out.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at September 2, 2004 02:34 PM

LOL.. Cap’n! Dang I wish I could make those smilie faces here.

d ..d ..d, but with all those awards in that short time period, that speaks volumes about his character and his ability to lead as Commander in Chief

All that really shows is how well Kerry played the system to get what he wanted, and that does speak volumes about his character.

Posted by: TexasGal at September 2, 2004 02:42 PM

Zell Miller’s speech was a speech Truman could give and in just the same tone of voice. The ideals expressed were Trumans.M. Simon

I could do the same thing. Its not the ideals expressed that I’m concerned with, he could have those opinions all he wants. What I’m talking about is the hypocrisy of Republicans praising Miller for changing his mind while lambasting Kerry for it and their further hypocrisy by throwing these “systems he voted against” on Kerry while not disclosing that Cheney was against the exact same programs at the exact same time.

Did you know that Miller was pro-choice until the birth of his great-grandkids? (I’m pro-life myself) Did you know that he once said that President Johnson was a (quote) “Southerner who has sold his sould for a mess of black porridge”? and now he says that he regrets those choices.

Why aren’t the Republicans calling him a flip-flopper? Oh, that’s right - he’s one of them now.

And please don’t call me or other Democrats stupid. It takes this discussion to a low point that we don’t need.

BTW, if it was Kerry vs. McCain, I’d vote for McCain every time.

Posted by: Pionar at September 2, 2004 03:11 PM

Steve,

Unfortunately, if Kerry wins (heaven help us), America will have already become France “Lite” so it will not be necessary to travel.

Posted by: DEagle at September 2, 2004 05:31 PM

Pionar,

You musta missed Zells speech.

Let me splain it to you of the smarter party.

Zell said that he didn’t move from his ideal the Democrats moved from him. As a former Democrat I’d have to agree.

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Steal this sig:

Why did John Kerry meet three times with the representatives of the Viet Cong and Communist North Vietnam?

Some times it takes a while to sell out your country.

New Soldier html

What is the War Hero Afraid of?
Form 180. Release ALL the records.

Posted by: M. Simon at September 2, 2004 11:42 PM