After Zell Miller’s speech: Kerry is Toast!!!!!!!!

Posted by: cooper at September 1, 2004 10:18 PM

OMG!!

I was actually cheering and the cats were ducking for cover!

I have never in my life heard a politician give a more honest speech!

I agree, Kerry is toast and Terry McAuliffe (Global Crossing) needs to start looking for another job.

Posted by: TexasGal at September 1, 2004 10:26 PM

“With what? SPITBALLS?”

Posted by: Jeff Harrell at September 1, 2004 10:27 PM

If we were fighting a war on terrorism why aren’t we addressing the root causes? Why do we focus on “terrorists” who are simply the transitory flames indicating a the wood and coal problems deep within? You know if there is a bully on the playground harassing me - do I feel safer if I just put up with some pain and try deal with it myself - or do I feel safer if my dad goes and beats him up. I feel safer if I deal with it - because if my dad does - the bully could retaliate and ultimately do me more harm. If I do I have a chance of solving or at least surviving the ordeal. The republicans seem to have no such consciousness of such basic tenants of human relationships summarized best perhaps in the words “Bring ‘em on.” So where is the republican conscience? Where is their common sense when it comes to handling problems with authoritaritarian iron fist? I want my family to be safe to but I’m not going to become the bully to do so - for the bully always looses in the long run… in fact I could argue they are easy to defeat but I digress and would probably just end up negating my chance at a post.

Posted by: mal at September 1, 2004 10:40 PM

Ah Mal.. you really don’t have a good idea of the threat. This isn’t playground antics… this is real life.. we kill them before they kill us.. it’s really pretty simple.

Root causes is just some PC rhetoric for excusing terrorists.

Posted by: TexasGal at September 1, 2004 11:11 PM

I used a simple example because it scales so well. You can make the same argument at elevating stages of violence from spousal abuse to gay bashing to cival war and genocide to racial wars and skrimishes and conflicts and full blown wars between one or many countries.

How exactly do you propose finding all the terrorists? Convicting them? Killing them? Maybe you propose gas chambers in large concentration camps? And then like Hitler found you’ll need large incineration ovens to dispose of the waste.

And what then after you’ve killed them all? Have you solved the AIDS crisis? Have you solved inequity? Have you solved the Isralie Palistinan conflict and other like it? Have you halted genocide at the rate of one death every 7 seconds over the past 100 years? Have you a fair supreme court? Have you solved school shootings brought about no doubt by bullying. Have you solved abuse of power? .00003% of the worlds population died in 9/11. Is that worth sacrificing your freedom for? My freedom? The countries? And as we would like to spred our version of ‘freedom’ to the rest of the world - the worlds freedom?

Posted by: mal at September 2, 2004 12:13 AM

How exactly do you propose finding all the terrorists? Convicting them? Killing them? Maybe you propose gas chambers in large concentration camps?

I choose, B, killing them.

And what then after you’ve killed them all? Have you solved the AIDS crisis? Have you solved inequity? Have you solved the Isralie Palistinan conflict and other like it? Have you halted genocide at the rate of one death every 7 seconds over the past 100 years? Have you a fair supreme court? Have you solved school shootings brought about no doubt by bullying. Have you solved abuse of power? .00003% of the worlds population died in 9/11. Is that worth sacrificing your freedom for? My freedom? The countries? And as we would like to spred our version of ‘freedom’ to the rest of the world - the worlds freedom?

Good Lord Mal!

So we don’t start because the work is overwhelming? It’s too depressing, so why should we even try?

Or is the purpose of your life Abercrombie jeans and lattes?

Posted by: TexasGal at September 2, 2004 12:35 AM

So what you’re saying, mal, is that you’d rather sacrifice your family than be misunderstood.

I’m not even going to address the inanity of supposing that we might somehow preserve our freedom by letting the terrorists achieve their stated objective, which is to kill us all, including the ideologically pure like yourself. Or the flat out chickenshit dishonesty of inferring gas chambers and genocide from anything that’s been said here.

Posted by: marymcl at September 2, 2004 01:32 AM

Mal,

You don’t get it, do you? First you kill the terrorists, then you bring democracy to their nations. Democracy solves poverty, hunger, extremism, genocide, war… Really, look at a map and compare the living conditions in democratic countries vs. countries living under different government systems. No democratic nation has to cope with famine, and most are doing pretty well economically. I bet even the Palestinians would start doing better if they had real elections…

So by bringing democracy you end terrorism… hmm, sounds like what W is trying to do in a lot of places.

Posted by: Maarten Schenk at September 2, 2004 02:04 AM

The real strength in Zel Miller’s speech was that which was absent in much of the “form over substance” presentations at the DNC: sincerity. Zel did not relish the spot light. He did not bask in the adulation of the masses, but, rather, plodded ahead, a man with a mission that was as personally painful to him as it was important. He took no joy in denouncing the Democrat candidate nor in taking his own party to task for its narrow vission and short-sighted outlook on these times. Like a trapped man severing his own arm, it was obvious that Zel was a man doing that which he felt he must to ensure survival. And that sort of sincerity and honesty, coming from any party, is true statesmanship.

Posted by: submandave at September 2, 2004 12:54 PM