2004 US Presidential Election
August 29, 2004
| DU Bush Ribbon Controversy Erupts into Mainstream
From the Telegraph :
After weeks of denigration of the Democratic challenger’s Vietnam war record, Mr Kerry’s backers have responded with allegations against the President - including the claim that he was once photographed in uniform wearing a medal ribbon he had not earned.
Mr Starr is also on record as stating about President Reagan :
No reason to feel sympathy. The evil f*** is gone.
From the Democratic Underground ( where Walt Starr is a frequent poster (1000+ posts) and the Primary Source for the story :
Lower Left Hand Corner, it says, and I quote:
Air Force Outstanding Unit Award
But also :
Sorry, show me anything in writing, that’s all I ask
I’m unsure about when the Texas Service Medal was created
Unlike most threads on DU, this one contains a lot of exceedingly well-researched facts by Mr Starr on exact regulations (though not neccessarily ones in force at the time), and has many relevant URLs. To decide whether the ribbon (one of three in the 35-year-old picture) was technically worn improperly, you have to go into the finest of details.
Whether this is ‘Damning’ as Mr Starr claims, and even reason for Impeachment (as some DUers are suggesting) is also up to the reader to decide. The controversy itself is worthy of recording though.
Posted by Alan Brain at August 29, 2004 09:05 PM | TrackBack
This is weak. I’ll be surprised if any of the major news outlets pick this up.
Posted by: Lackey at August 29, 2004 10:05 PM
This is not clutching at straws.
Kerry’s campaign is not melting down.
There is no media bias.
DU is a completely reputable source.
MoveOn.org is totally “independant” just as the Telegraph describes it.
Posted by: aebrain at August 29, 2004 10:06 PM
his father’s Presidential Library in Houston, Texas.
It is? Where? I’ve looked and looked and I can’t find it.
And I’m a native Houtonian!
Dang, where is that GHWB Library!!
Posted by: TexasGal at August 29, 2004 10:14 PM
Now who was that editor that fact checked this report?
Posted by: TexasGal at August 29, 2004 10:15 PM
Lackey : Bets?
TexasGal : Anything for a Lady. It’s at Texas A&M. ( Map). Thanks for your good wishes re Brandy, too.
Posted by: aebrain at August 29, 2004 10:18 PM
Ah you’re welcome AEB, you have been on my mind.. re: Brandy Snap.
Actually I had the privilege of being assigned to the event to plan the dedication and opening of GHWB’s library at Texas A&M University in College Station, Texas.
Posted by: TexasGal at August 29, 2004 10:25 PM
For the Texas-Geographically-Challenged, Texas A&M is not exactly in downtown Houston.
Posted by: aebrain at August 29, 2004 10:26 PM
Wow! You scooped Drudge — I didn’t think that was possible. Thanks for the heads up.
So is this hello President Cheney? That ought to give the DU brainiacs a strange feeling way down in the pits of their stomachs.
Posted by: ter0 at August 29, 2004 10:39 PM
We native Houstonians wouldn’t even call College Station a burb. That’s a pack a lunch trip.
Makes me wonder how anyone found GWB records in GHWB’s Library when they don’t even know where the library is located.
And why would GWB’s records be at GHWB’s Presidential Library in the first place?
Actually, that’s an old “urban legend” that GWB HID his TANG records at his father’s library.
Posted by: TexasGal at August 29, 2004 11:00 PM
Yes, and Bush has campaigned so heavily on his military service record. What a bunch of useless, hysterical crap!
If this is part of a strategy to get Kerry’s Walter Mitty service stories out of the debate, I’m up for that. How about we just look at the last ten years? Of course, Kerry and his operatives would have to quit accusing the President of being AWOL, and I don’t think Kerry has enough respect from anybody to get them to do that.
Posted by: TL at August 30, 2004 12:06 AM
GWB was in the Air Force?
Posted by: bananas at August 30, 2004 12:52 AM
Check it out:
Posted by: Forrest at August 30, 2004 02:08 AM
On that note, you may also want to have a look at this.
I actually found the photo strangely sympathetic. Washing away the world’s cares in an act of creativity, very Zen, and reminding us all that no matter what we may think of them, politicians are after all, human beings. Even George W Bush. Even John F Kerry.
It’s also exactly the type of thing I’d do (and have done) in that position.
Posted by: aebrain at August 30, 2004 02:31 AM
George Bush never called me “baby killer”.
Which is the essence of it for vets. All the rest is “interesting” but not crucial.
Here is another capsule to explain the essence of the vet position. Medals are peripheral.
Steal this sig:
There is a big difference between William Calley and John Kerry. William Calley is a proven war criminal. For John Kerry we only have his word as an officer and a gentleman.
What is the War Hero Afraid of?
Posted by: M. Simon at August 30, 2004 03:41 AM
>>George Bush never called me “baby killer”.
From AEB - Forrest, You’re now banned. See Terms of Service.
Posted by: Forrest at August 30, 2004 04:06 AM
Oh my GOD!!
This is so HUGE! This is so…relevant!!!
And I can’t believe that the most important, scandalous question has yet to be asked:
IS GEORGE W. BUSH WEARING ANY PANTS IN THIS PICTURE?!?!?!?!
The people demand to know!!!!
Posted by: jackson zed at August 30, 2004 12:00 PM
Don’t forget, Bush was also assigned to the 3559th Student Squadron. I haven’t been able to find a unit history on that one.
Realistically, this is a no-biggie. Now, if it’d been a Purple Heart or a Silver Star, I could see the problem with it. But an AFOUA? Nope.
When I got assigned to the 90th Missile Maintenance Squadron lo some decades ago, I was told that since the Squadron had gotten an AFOUA, I could wear one on my blues. It wasn’t an individual award like some, it was a group award - and as part of that group (even if you came after the award had been given) you were entitled to wear it. As an A1C, I knew about as much about 35-10 (or AFR 36-2903 now) as a 2nd Lt, so I got it and put it on my blues - which I never wore anyway…
By the way, where’s his 1st Lt photo? Does it have the same problem?
Posted by: JLL3 at August 30, 2004 12:24 PM
What a steaming pile of pigeon guano. how desperate can they get?
Posted by: skip at August 30, 2004 03:15 PM