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2004 US Presidential Election
August 27, 2004
| A Collection of This Week's Economic News
From the New York Times and the L.A. Times: U.S. Economy Grows at Slower Pace Than Expected
More Americans Were Uninsured and Poor in 2003, Census Finds
Healthcare Costs Expected to Rise Workers will probably pay more for benefits as employers budget less than the likely increase.
Greenspan Warns on Baby Boomer Benefits
Oil Rebounds After Iraq Pipeline Attack
Posted by Todd Castleton at August 27, 2004 09:57 AM | TrackBack Comments
This just Must be nothing more than Leftist Propaganda. Why, just a few weeks ago we had Turned The Corner, and all was going to be well. Dubya assured us that was so, did he not? Whatever is going on out there is the fault of the NoozeMeeja for reporting. Right? Posted by: Don “The [Media] can have a strong influence on the weak-minded. You will find it a powerful ally.” I suggest you take a look at the Editorial page of today’s WSJ, or download a copy at Audible.com before buying into that load of crap you believe in. You should know damn well that statistics and polls can be construed to meet any political agenda. My first thought regading the poverty/uninsured numbers is this: did the Census data take into account the percentage growth or just the nominal growth of those fitting the definition of impoverished and uninsured? I mean, even a complete moron understands that population growth is related to the nominal increase of these stats. Or maybe I’m being too kind? Second of all, what are the definitions of these terms? Well, obviously unbeknownst to your jaded liberal minds, the “uninsured” number includes all uninsured people - regardless of their income and regardless if they’re eligible to enroll in medicare. Maybe you misinformed socialists should do a better job letting the uninsured know they’re friggin eligible to be insured by the government instead of just deciding to throw more money at a problem. Perhaps the lazy government bureaucrats don’t have an incentive to inform the public of their eligibilty? Well, Don, that’s what happens in a socialist society. Finally, Don, what is Kerry’s solution to the economic problems we’re having? I mean, I don’t know about you, but I’ve studied Keynesian Economics and I’m also well versed in Monetary Theory. Anyone, with any sort of economic background, knows that the current fiscal and monetary policies are textbook. Period. Creating another investment wasting government program to suck funds right out of our 4.8% GDP isn’t going to help a damn thing. Rolling back the tax cuts on dividends to help screw the creation of investment capital once more, isn’t going to help in the short-run either. If you liberals want to debate economic policy, bring it on. Posted by: jackhammer The following links show that this increasing number of uninsured goes back several years and that neither Clinton nor Bush have really done anything about it for a number of reasons —- political. process and policy-wise. The article following was written in 1998 and forecast that should the then very hot economy cool down (which it did in 1999-2002), the rates for uninsured would rise. A good prediction. Also: “By 1996, the terminal year of the Harvard study, the number of Americans going bare had increased from 33.4 million in 1989 to 41.7 million, leaving by that time 15.6 percent of the population-almost 1 in 6-out in the cold. “Rising numbers of uninsured during this period of prosperity … may portend even steeper increases should the economic situation cool.” Strongly implied here was a corollary: There is no reason to expect that the rate of increase will abate if good times continue.” The link for the whole document is: Another apparently objective report on this by Consumer Reports is found in at: http://www.consumerreports.org/main/content/display_report.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=372211 This was a January 2004 report and reflects equally poorly on the Bush Administration as the later did on the Clinton efforts. A healty dose of poor Congressional activity is found in both, too. Bottom line… these numbers show that little if anything has been done by either party while in the White House. So far I’ve yet to see anything substantive by Kerry or Bush on fixing this. Dodging the facts or blaming the incumbent does nothing productive. It’ll be interesting to see if the RNC proposes a fix at the convention or tries to preempt the Dems on this. As a conservative I have my own take on how to fix this, but I’m not running for the White House to do so. I’ll not pontificate on a solution but prefer to hear from the “professionals” on their solutions. Don, personally, I am a little tired of the kindergarden-like “nah-ta-nah-ta-naah-da” comments such as you frequently provide on serious matters like this. Can you not be more mature and less condescending? And ditto for the others who come back with equally non-sensical personal attacks instead meaningful dialogue because Don has hit a sore spot or knows how to stir the pot. Come on everyone, let’s grow up a little here. No doubt the Bush supporters wince when these numbers came out. Similarly the Democrats do not want to talk much about Kerry’s voting record or his tour with Gov. Dukais. For those who relish in bad news for America becuase it hurts the other side there is not much that can be said for having such self-serving attitudes. For the Left and Dems, pointing out failures by the Bush Administration is okay as long as you can show that Kerry has a fix ready to roll out if elected. The Dems have a built-in advantage in these and similar economic issues in that a majority of the public rightly or wrongly believe that this is an area best done by the Democrats. Now is the time to state what that solution might be with definitive actions planned and substantiated and nail this down as fait accompli. I’ve yet to see anything but promises and wishful thinking. And that goes for the Republicans, too. If any supporter for either camp can not provide a easily understood fix, then don’t just rant and blame the other side. Put up or shut up… both sides! (And just tell me “Bush lied!” or “Kerry is no hero.” as the mantra response to all things.) What is in the Democratic platform coming out of the DNC that also addressed this with a solution? Did they have the forsight to see these numbers coming out? I may missed it before now, but did any of Kerry’s convention speech address this directly or have any of the Dems’ talking heads predict it? As for solving the issue itself, it looks like both parties have their work cut out for them and, to paraphrase Gen. Forrest, one of them must “get thar with the mostest the firstest” Posted by: steve As to the poverty figures, I just can’t buy into them. I work in healthcare and we deal with uninsured patients daily. The government has turned this into a mess. for example if someone is poor, as in having income below the fed stated threshold, their bills can be written off to a state administered program. NOw why not get them on medicaid? well because that program will not only look at income, but at assets as well. So there’s poor, and then there’s poor, both definitions created by the government and both significantly different. Someone with an income from a trust fund could be considered poor if that income is below the so called poverty line but the trust funds themselves may be worth quite a bit. So I’m not buying the poverty numbers, not a bit. As to the **gasp** uninsured problem, I also believe that this is an artifact of persistent government meddling. All aspects of health care are highly regulated including heath insurance. This regulation drives up cost and drives out innovation, as a result we get what we have today. Wanna fix this problem? it’s simple, show the bureau crats the door. I said it was simple, I didn’t say it was easy. As to the complaints about Don, ah well, one learns to ignore the lengthy Dontifications. Posted by: skip Like the old joke about the final NYT headline: “World Ends: Women, Poor, Hardest Hit” Posted by: DWC And what exactly does “poor” mean. I lived in the southwest for many years. This was during the days when it was fashionable to “care” about the homeless. What most of the bleeding hearts who “cared” didn’t realize was that these people were homeless by choice. So sure they’d take the three hots and cot and whatever else people who “care” cared to give them, but the root cause of homelessness would never be solved by the people who “care”. Just the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. so every time I hear some stastic about the uninsured, I smile and move on, dot org!!! Posted by: skip Oh yeah, I am sure that most homeless are that way by choice. Who would want a house with a roof and heat after all ?? That has to be the dumbest statement I have seen on this blog in a long time. Posted by: rdelephant elephant, Most homelessness can explained by 2 major factors - substance abuse and mental illness. While one is a national tragedy, the other is a purely personal disaster. Do not assume that everyone wants what you want. That’s not the dumbest thing I’ve seen on the blogs, but it’s getting there. You’re projecting. Not everyone wants what you do. It not a lack of money puts people on the street, it’s behavior that bankrupts souls first, pockets second that dictates who lives on the street and who doesn’t. Most don’t CHOOSE to be homeless, but they CHOOSE lifestyles that put them there. Who’s fault? I think the mentally ill need and deserve our help. What happens to them should shame every one of us. But I’ve worked in corrections and public welfare and am not about to accept responsibility for everyone on the street. You need to get out more. There are people who WANT to be homeless. I’ve met them. Posted by: torpedo_eight Are there a few strange characters who want to be homeless, no doubt. But the vast majority, no way. Posted by: rdelephant Post a comment
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