The Command Post
2004 US Presidential Election
August 21, 2004
| Kerry Website Revised

From the Boston Globe :

The Kerry campaign removed a 20-page batch of documents yesterday from its website after The Boston Globe quoted a Navy officer who said the documents wrongly portrayed Kerry’s service. Edward Peck had said he — not Kerry — was the skipper of Navy boat No. 94 at a time when the Kerry campaign website credited the senator with serving on the boat. The website had described Kerry’s boat as being hit by rockets and said a crewmate was injured in an attack. But Peck said those events happened when he was the skipper. The campaign did not respond to a request to explain why the records were removed.

UPDATE : Note the date of the article, April. I apologise for missing this.



Posted by Alan Brain at August 21, 2004 09:11 AM | TrackBack
Comments

Oops!

How do you like people Bringing it On, Senator Windsock?

Posted by: TL [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2004 10:42 AM

Now watch Don try to spin this one. He has the same credibility as Hanoi Kerry.

The Truth will always come out. That is why Don and losers like Scary Kerry love dark places. The Light of Truth makes them scurry away…. real, real fast.

Posted by: leaddog2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2004 10:57 AM

After spending this morning reading comments by some of our clearly conservative and partisan-right readers in this and other threads, I have to believe that we’re again getting close to having comment forums that nobody buy they want to participate in.

Suggesting that a reader, in this case Don, likes dark places and scurrys from the truth … not exactly respectful, now is it.

Get with the comment policy, guys, or get lost.

Posted by: Alan [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2004 11:33 AM

I’ll wager that the organism which caused “a minor urinary tract infection” in a heroic, otherwise healthy 22-year-old male also loves dark places and scurries from the truth.

Posted by: jeauxjeaux [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2004 04:40 PM

So Alan, am I to assume that the following statement is considered respectful?

“You clowns have consistently tried to conjoin A a-I with Baathist Iraq under Saddam…”

I notice that the author didn’t receive a spanking for that…

Or is it only the “conservative and partisan-right” commenters that deserve such warnings?

Posted by: CERDIP [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2004 05:46 PM

With the many many lies being corrected by Kerry and the democrats it becomes very difficult not to CONDEMN those who still support lying, deceptive, and downright nasty liberal democrats. When language from Kennedy yells ‘FRAUD”….and from Gore..’TRAITOR’…..and from DEAN..‘He knew about 9/11!!’….and Harkin calling our VP a ‘coward’; the language is pretty harsh and coming from ONE side. In Harkin’s case this is especially bad, since he lied about being in Vietnam when he was in Japan!! How can this just be passed over and ignored….yeah Alan, like you believe Kerry was ducking bullets in Cambodia on Christmas in 1968 huh…..when does the truth come to light….lets just see how Don answers the question of WHY was the material taken off the website ad then bitch about it.

Posted by: dickmr [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2004 06:02 PM

As an independent who doesn’t have a stake in either side of the Swift Boat controversy, the hype and passion being attached to this side issue is a sad comment on the electoral process and the people who think this kind of mudslinging makes our democracy stronger. The Kerry campaign trumpets his military service and says “bring it on” because a 34-year-old short stint in Vietnam is his “strongest” qualification for the Presidency. Bush is only too happy to “bring it on” because it distracts folks from giving attention to his many questionable policies. The true bosses of America, Inc, us, ought to demand that these two guys, our staff, make a sensible peace between themselves to prove to us and the world that they’re both qualified to make peace elsewhere. We ought to tell them to shape up and get back to discussing the hard choices we need to make to solve serious problems such as, well, you know the list: Iraq, jobs, oil, deficit, health care. You know, there’s an old saying about this kind of behavior, “A pox on both your houses.” People don’t say that for nothing.

Posted by: Scott [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2004 09:54 PM

“As an independent who doesn’t have a stake in either side of the Swift Boat controversy, the hype and passion being attached to this side issue is a sad comment on the electoral process”

How can you say that? kerry is basing his whole campaign on how he was a hero swift boat skipper, and recieved 5 fraudulant medals for it.

He has lied repeatedly, like his top secret mission to Cambodia, ordered by a president who wasn’t even president at the time.

Then again, kerry claims he participated in war crimes at the same time he was a hero, those words are available all over the internet in his own voice.
The Swift boat veterans have all sorts of affidavids countering kerry’s claims, while he has nothing but lies and the word of one man, and a couple other “supporters’ who are being flown all over the country, put up in 5 star hotels to promote this fraudulant “hero”. Kerry also has all the mainstream lefty media spinning this story under the rug. So much for “fair and equal press”.

And still, kerry has the gall to complain to the fcc, when all the loony left 3rd party ads are stinking up the airwaves, funded by his ‘I hate America” wife’s move-on Organization, and Bush hater George Soros.
How come nobody is crying forkerry’s campaign and the loony left support groups to stop their lies?

This is a good example of how corrupt the Democras party has become. After they loose this election, they had better clean house if they ever want to be a legitamite party again. They made a huge mistake backing a traitor like kerry, the guy
is a meglomanic.

Posted by: Grand Ayatollah Nathan [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2004 04:40 AM

Further, kerry gets a medal for shooting a wounded VC in the back. What kind of BS is that? He put his whole crew in jeapordy playing “hero” Although, the guy had already fired his weapon, so the danger was passed, plus the VC was wounded by the 50 cal. gunner, then shot in the back by the democrat “hero”.

Kerry’s silver star was also a fraud, he and his boat fled the scene according to all the other skippers involved, and they weren’t “under fire”. Even his supporter who he “saved’ is lying because he claimed he was under water, you can’t hear shots being fired when you are under water. They other skippers who didn’t speed away from the scene like a coward rescued everyone, even they guy who kerry came back and ‘saved’ was already safe.

All kerry’s commanding officers say the same thing about kerry, that he is a liar. So who is right? the guy lying or all his commanding officers?
I should have a whole drawer full of purple hearts for all the “wounds” I got when I was in the army.

Posted by: Grand Ayatollah Nathan [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2004 05:02 AM

The FIRST EVER Newsweek coverage of Kerry’s lies now includes the Video of the 2 POW’s who were tortured because of Hanoi John.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5783805/site/newsweek

Newsweek Shows POW’s Talking About Torture

Posted by: leaddog2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2004 01:00 PM

Grand A.,

Did I say I admired Kerry’s campaign posturing? Did I say I believed his war stories? Did I say I cared? Why are your comments addressed to me?

Too bad you missed the point of my post. It would have saved you the embarrassment of becoming a poster boy for Swift Boat/National Guard Issue Addicts Anonymous.

Scott

Posted by: Scott [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2004 03:33 PM

“As an independent who doesn’t have a stake in either side of the Swift Boat controversy, the hype and passion being attached to this side issue is a sad comment on the electoral process”

This is about determining whether the candidate in question is guilty of war crimes or is a liar. The “lie” being responsible for the mis-treatment countless Viet Nam vets have had to endure since returning home. We are talking about ruined lives here.

This is no “side issue”. It is a sad commentary when on the political process when voters think getting to the truth of a matter is nothing more than “mudslinging”.

Khepri

Posted by: Khepri [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2004 06:16 PM

Once again, I lift not a finger to defend Kerry’s despicable behavior and statements regarding Vietnam.

War criminal, liar, deserter, drunk, whatever. The other side makes the same nasty arguments about Bush. Some of the ones about war crimes and lying actually have a ring of truth to them like:

1. “I respect Kerry’s service (vs. won’t denounce the Swift boat ads)
2. “It’s the people’s money, not the government’s” (vs. $450 billion of spending our kids money in 2004)
3. “Hundreds of known locations” (vs. no WMDs)
4. “President of all the people, not just those who voted for me” (vs. women’s, African-Americans, Gays, and many other groups who oppose Bush in droves because of his sexist, racist, homophobic policies)
5. “I’m a uniter, not a divider” (vs. a VERY “polarized” electorate)
6. “Leave no child behind” (vs. leaving the Act underfunded to pay in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy)
7. “I’m a compassionate conservative” (vs. cuts housing, children’s programs, vets benefits, many others)
8. “Humility in foreign policy” (vs. arrogantly promoting preemption and unilaterism)
9. “Defending the will of the United Nations” (vs. flagrantly violating their expressed wishes)

Etc. etc. etc. I ain’t defending Bush either. Yes I am shocked, SIMPLY SHOCKED, to learn that both Presidential candidates are fallible human beings and that the Democrats have chosen a ruthless Machiavellian whose skills may rival those of his opponent. So, save your crocodile tears for the woefully underinformed and the exceedingly gullible.

If you think war crimes and lies are the big issue, vote for Nader. Otherwise, the men who would be President will have to earn the independent vote by seriously debating about something more important than their lint-filled navels.

Scott

Posted by: Scott [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2004 09:05 PM

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002255.php

Get the Truth! David Alston did not serve with John Kerry from January 30, 1969 until at least Feb.1 1969. His statements at the Democratic Convention do not mention that he was wounded and in the hospital when he was supposedly “fighting with Kerry

Posted by: leaddog2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2004 09:25 PM

Scott, two points.

First, Kerry’s entire campaign platform is is four months in Vietnam. That’s it. There isn’t anything else to address. So we are addressing that, and it looks very very bad for Kerry. He lied, and it looks like he lied a lot. When accused of being AWOL, Bush released his records and the charges were shown to be false. Kerry hasn’t released his records. Such a simple thing to do.

Second, not one, not one of your listed points stands up to any sort of scrutiny at all. If you’re going to pretend to be disinterested, you have to do better than a worn-out list of MoveOn.org talking points.

Posted by: Pixy Misa [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 10:32 AM

O’Neill as a good lawyer already has the material released from the supporting vets. i.e. If Kerry’s boat and their boat was in on an action and the records exist all the way up the chain of command. I think they would be entitled to them.

He has let Kerry twist in the wind for weeks now. Thurlow’s initial reluctance to do the 180 was a smoke screen.

O’Neill has the records. Kerry has been making up stories. What comes next?
—==—

What is the War Hero Afraid of?
Form 180. Release ALL the records.

Video link

Hello CQ

Posted by: M. Simon [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 10:33 AM

a typo above … Feb 1. 1969 should be March 1, 1969

Posted by: leaddog2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 10:36 AM

Scott, don’t have time to go through your whole list right now, but 1 & 6 are easy to refute. For number 1, you forget that President Bush said he condemns ALL soft money campaign contributions. As for number 6, the executive branch does not fund anything. If NCLB is underfunded, talk to Congress, not the President. And while I’m at it, if Bush cut Veterans benefits so much, how come 21 Medal of Honor recipients had this to say about him:

Since 2001, President Bush has increased veterans funding by over $20 billion, and funding for veterans’ health care has increased by 40 percent since he took office. Funding for veterans has gone up twice as fast under President Bush as it did under President Clinton, and those who accuse the President of cutting funding are simply not being honest with veterans.

Posted by: Hutch [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 11:01 AM

This is old news. The Boston Globe piece was from April 21.

Posted by: PBRMan [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 11:17 AM

betting pool on when or if the kerry sitdown with tim russert will occur?

betting pool on when and if the full release of records via SF180 will occur?

interesting.

“bring it on!”

“ouch, would you guys stop bringing it on”

what about when iran and north korea bring it on?

“we will sue”

yeah right

Posted by: iceman [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 12:01 PM

Scott,

Are you like, 2 years old? that’s what you sound like.

“4. “President of all the people, not just those who voted for me” (vs. women’s, African-Americans, Gays, and many other groups who oppose Bush in droves because of his sexist, racist, homophobic policies)”

Oh yeah, those “groups” are pristine oracles of truth and in no way beholden to partisan interests.

Your list doesn’t pass the laugh test, boyo.

Posted by: JB [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 12:12 PM

Better yet, Scott, your point 4 exposes you as a bigot. You assume that all women, African Americans and Gays think alike. Ain’t so, bro.

Posted by: TL [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 01:24 PM

I think the whole issue(s) could be at least partially resolved by Sen Kerry.

First, he should authorize the release of all his service (including medical) records along with any other records such as his journal. What’s unfair about this?

Second, he could assuage the pain of many veterans by issuing a sincere, non-nuanced or predicated apology. His apology could meet less demanding standards than what I’ve indicated, but it has to go a lot further than what he’s already offered.

The ability to end this most assuredly rests with Sen Kerry.

Posted by: Mike [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 01:26 PM

Scott has missed the fact that Kerry touched a third rail. Kerry has tapped into a deep well of emotion. He’s opened a pandora’s box and his troubles are just beginning.

Would America like to have a discussion about the issues of the day? of course and BTW, that’s exactly what we’re getting.

America’s at war and we have to chose who best to leads us through this difficult time. Kerry has chosen to point to his Vietnam record as proof of his ability. What he didn’t realize was that there is a groundswell of pent up emotion about Vietnam and that Kerry’s in the impact zone.

so who best to lead us during the next four years of war? The ugly emotional process we’re undergoing is how we’ll decide.

Posted by: skip [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 01:31 PM

Let’s just stipulate to the medals. Consider them Kerry’s and agree that he deserved them. That’s not what I think, but let’s just pretend that I do.

How many other people came home from Vietnam early with three Purple Hearts that required no hospitalization?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: John Dunshee [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 06:47 PM

Attention: John Kerry’s Naval Records which were removed. Read them yourself:

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html

Posted by: foreign devil [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 07:26 PM

Pixy-I understand conservatives focus on Kerry. He brought it on himself and I have said all along that I object to his posturing and his explanations. However, I do not accept the syllogism that because Kerry is bad, Bush is good. I truly support neither and if you just flat out distrust me without good reason I doubt there is anything I could say to you here that would convince you I am speaking the truth.

Hutch-Thank you for your response to some of the points I raised. My reaction on #1. Bush says a lot of things but then acts exactly the opposite. 6. Yes, the Congress is responsible for appropriations. The Republican-controlled House where these appropriations bills originate is controlled by the President’s Party. If he was truly the Education President he set out to be, this would have received urgent attention. If the war distracted him and he wants to get back to business, fine, “say” so again and I’m still not likely to believe it because he’s fallen through on so many promises. Sorry, that’s my opinion. The information you cited on Veteran’s Benefits was totally new to me and I’ll go to the White House and Bush websites to learn more about this. If what you say is true, I apologize and retract my comment about Vet’s benefits.

JB-I’m rubber, you’re glue…

TL-I accept your valid and very well-stated criticism. My comment was poorly phrased and I beg forgiveness from all the offended women, African Americans, and gays who mistakenly think that their guarantee of equal rights under the law regardless of gender, race, or sexual orientation is best served by the Republican platform.

Skip-I may not have stated this directly, Skip, but I agree with your comment about the Pandora’s box. Personally, I think the fact that Kerry’s opened it up evidences abysmal judgment. Creating a divisive firestorm among us is not the way to unite and lead our great nation. Where we probably part company is that I believe Bush is just as guilty of this as Kerry. I’m sorry conservative friends but I just honestly, humbly, Americanly believe that Bush Presidency has been deliberately divisive often to achieve purely political ends that bear very or even take away fruit from the vast majority of the people he claims to care about. It’s not like this is big news. John McCain and Pat Buchanan are saying the same kind of things. Any conservative who tries to gloss over this legitimate critique with some sort of tortured rationalization is being as dishonest as Kerry.

Whether you take it as sincere or not, all I can say is that I’m trying not to be mean or partisan about this. The system is breaking down, on both sides. I say again that both sides owe it to we, the bosses, to clean up their act. This is not going to happen through the phonier than professional wrestling holier than thou finger-pointing game going on. My decision is likely to turn on who’s guts to call off the dogs fastest.

I commend Bush for denouncing the Swift Boat ads today but ACTIONS speak louder than words. I predict John Kerry will make an honest attempt to get back to the business of the American people pronto. Hurray for those of us who’ve taken the time to urge them to grow up and show us what real leadership looks like again. Let’s hope this is a sign of better things to come. America deserves far better than the choice of the lesser of two evils, whoever that turns out to be.

Posted by: Scott [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 08:02 PM

Scott

That sounds like a load of self-serving rubbish. For the past year Democrat backed 527’s have spent over $60 million hammering Bush, without a peep of protest from anyone. In fact, to object is to risk being accused of threatening their ‘freedom of speech”

Now a small GOP friendly 527 with less than a million to spend is taking shots at Kerry, and suddenly there is this uproar about how terrible it is that such a thing is happening, and Bush is supposed to take action to shut them down, lest it “polarise” the country. I have a news flash for you, buddy. Moore and Soros and Moveon.org have already done a bang-up job of polarizing people.

And somehow, while saying all this, you actually think you can pose as some sort of centerist.

How much do you make for doing this?

Posted by: flenser [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 08:26 PM

You know, maybe if I keep saying this, every thickheaded newcomer who drops by here will stop raising the same old argument. I despise Kerry’s heroic posturing and don’t believe everything he says. I do not support him.

I have nothing but contempt for those pour money into 527s or any of the other the zillions ways the two Party’s have arrnaged as outlets for their dirty campaign money.

And your self-righteous posturing that somehow the Democrats are dirtier than Republicans in this game is exactly the kind of preposterous bad faith effort that I have already condemned as the crocodile tears shed by a poor victim of a vicious and illegal attack in professional wrestling match. That is not democracy, it’s lowest common denominator hypocrisy.

I am a Kerry operative and I make two hundred and fifty grand a year arguing with intractable boobs like you.

Posted by: Scott [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 09:58 PM

The TWO parties, eh?

I suggest you head on over to opensecrets and see just who is putting how much money into 527’s. Then come back and resume your arrogent self-righteous posing.

Thickheaded boob, huh? Actually, if they allow this level of free speech here, I think I may stick around and teach you some manners.

Posted by: flenser [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 24, 2004 12:00 AM

Scott, the U.S. Constitution has not yet been held to include sexual orientation as a protected class for purposes of the equal protection clause, although the recent cases on the right of privacy would indicate that might be the case.

But I’ll let my asian lesbian friends know that you’ve apologized all the same.

Posted by: TL [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 24, 2004 01:11 AM

1. “I respect Kerry’s service (vs. won’t denounce the Swift boat ads)

2. “It’s the people’s money, not the government’s” (vs. $450 billion of spending our kids money in 2004)
3. “Hundreds of known locations” (vs. no WMDs)
4. “President of all the people, not just those who voted for me” (vs. women’s, African-Americans, Gays, and many other groups who oppose Bush in droves because of his sexist, racist, homophobic policies)
5. “I’m a uniter, not a divider” (vs. a VERY “polarized” electorate)
6. “Leave no child behind” (vs. leaving the Act underfunded to pay in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy)
7. “I’m a compassionate conservative” (vs. cuts housing, children’s programs, vets benefits, many others)
8. “Humility in foreign policy” (vs. arrogantly promoting preemption and unilaterism)
9. “Defending the will of the United Nations” (vs. flagrantly violating their expressed wishes)

Etc. etc. etc. I ain’t defending Bush either. Yes I am shocked, SIMPLY SHOCKED, to learn that both Presidential candidates are fallible human beings and that the Democrats have chosen a ruthless Machiavellian whose skills may rival those of his opponent. So, save your crocodile tears for the woefully underinformed and the exceedingly gullible.

If you think war crimes and lies are the big issue, vote for Nader. Otherwise, the men who would be President will have to earn the independent vote by seriously debating about something more important than their lint-filled navels.

Scott,

#1 in your listhas been done although leftists and some independents refuse to acknowledge it.

#2 Econonmists will argue endlessly about the reasons for the current spending deficit. Too lengthy an arguement to get into on this thread.

#3 Remains to be seen. Intelligence maintains that they still know where the WMDs are, they are not accessible to us unless we drive into Damascus with our tanks. Given the current political environment thatis not likely to happen soon.

#4 Most of what you have cited are opinions, not facts. Don’t pretend that there are no representatives of those groups that oppose Kerry.

#5 We’ve heard Kerry parroting the same statement. Again it is opinion based.

#6 Another opinion. As another pointed out the “tax-cuts for the rich” is easily refuted.

#7 What exactly was cut within those programs needs to be examined in detail. Painting it with a broadsweeping generalization does not give a true picture. I liken it to trimming the FAT from the PORK.

#8 More opinion. Preemption has very valid points. The unilateral arguement is nearly laughable. I’d wager that any statement he made to that effect was made before 9-11. I could be wrong on that.

#9 Food for oil. Flagarntly defending the Untied States sovereignty. The UN had 10 years to act. We now know why they didn’t.

Based on your list I’m now having a hard time believing your are actually an independent.

Khepri

Posted by: Khepri [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 24, 2004 01:16 AM

I commend Bush for denouncing the Swift Boat ads today but ACTIONS speak louder than words.

Bush denounced ALL 527 negative advertising. An important distinction.

What Kerry needs to do now is likewise denounce ALL 527 negative advertising.

I doubt either George Soros or MoveOn.org are relishing the idea.

Khepri

Posted by: Khepri [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 24, 2004 02:04 AM

That’s right, flenser. The two parties and the President who approved the legislation making 527s a “legal,” but egregiously corrupt way for the wealthy to buy more “free” speech to influence democracy than the average American can afford and have the audacity to call it campaign finance reform. Those two parties.

And since, again, I oppose this practice, that would make me really am disgusted with the Democrats, still, and maybe that would finally bring your futile search for a non-existent partisan angle to an end. Maybe I really do just care enough about democracy to plead for campaigns based on issues not hyper-inflated character assassination to plead for it fifty times.

But, just because the Demos have been adept abusers of one of the many devious channels of monied influence over electoral campaigns does not exonerate Republicans from equally dishonorable behavior to slur their opposition. FOX, Rush, Falwell, Robertson, zillions of dollars channeled into supposedly legitimate non-partisan that carry out all sorts of chicanery all the time to pervert the workings of government. No invective here or shadings of the truth there to advance any conservative agenda in any of these institutions of public trust. Nah.

The subject is stopping campaign smearing, though, even though the insidious and unseemly influence reaches much deeper into our free speech culture. Since you read opensecrets, you know very well that George Bush today has tens of millions of dollars more in hard money than John Kerry. He doesn’t need 527s. His campaigns are always pretty up-front and in your face with more money as he sets about trashing guys who stand in his way like Al Gore, John McCain or John Kerry. Yea, it make me just go all gushy inside thinking how moral guys like Karl Rove and George Bush are. I have admit that denying the blindingly obvious does make you look pretty silly, flenser.

My main desire is to see both sides return to civility for the sake of America. In that respect, I’m genuinely sorry for calling you names. Genuinely. I meant it in fun, but if I hurt your feelings, I’m really, really sorry. This is precisely the kind of behavior I’m lobbying against and I’m guilty. You are entirely right to call me on it. I am very happy to know that you expect some manner from me and I am only to happy to honor such a reasonable request. Now, let’s make sure that our Presidential candidates showing each other some courtesy, too.

Is that enough self-righteous posturing for you or would you like some more?

Posted by: Scott [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 24, 2004 02:34 AM

Skip - Your post is Excellent!

“Scott has missed the fact that Kerry touched a third rail. Kerry has tapped into a deep well of emotion. He’s opened a pandora’s box and his troubles are just beginning.”

“America’s at war and we have to chose who best to leads us through this difficult time. Kerry has chosen to point to his Vietnam record as proof of his ability. What he didn’t realize was that there is a groundswell of pent up emotion about Vietnam and that Kerry’s in the impact zone.”

Posted by: skip at August 23, 2004 01:31 PM

This is why the story about Kerry’s actions during and following his service in Vietnam will not go away. It’s not about 527’s, or right v. left wing ads. It’s about leadership and national security. That is why the intense scrutiny of Kerry’s record and his recollections of that time over 30 years ago is so important.

Posted by: Jim [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 24, 2004 11:27 AM

First, THANKS to the website for stating some rules of behavior for posting. I hope that people will reflect a little on the opposing ideas, and at least take the time to wonder what experience or information makes another person believe contradictory ideas…

Here’s my contribution to the fistfight, an excerpt from my post on my website http://apsnyblog.blogspot.com:

Do you remember the week the newsreaders added the word GRAVITAS to our lexicon?

I do, vaguely. Like the time I went camping for a few days and when I came back those annoying yellow happy faces had inexplicably commandeered every window, lapel, cash register, pay phone, and bus seat in the civilized world.

Before the election campaign of 2000 our lives were blissfully free of discussions of GRAVITAS. Then with the abruptness of a pimple erupting prom night, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, and the rest were earnestly agreeing with each other that George Bush “lacked GRAVITAS.”

It was a snotty way of telling us peasants that we shouldn’t vote for Bush because he really didn’t have the appearance of dignity and seriousness expected of a head of state. Well, now there is a presidential candidate with gravitas. In spades.

Evidently, Mr. Kerry was fed gravitas instead of mother’s milk as a baby.

He leaves gravitas-soaked footprints where he treads.

He has to have it scraped from his important suit when he sends it to the cleaners.

He excretes gravitas with his perspiration; leaves gravitas stains on the pillowcase.

So FREAKING what?

Where was his gravitas when he was sponsoring legislation, which is supposed to be the task of a legislator?

Can you remember the single piece of legislation sponsored by Kerry to actually be passed on favorably by his fellow senators?

His own official website does not identify it. It only shows a tally sheet year by year: bills sponsored, bills passed. Total for a decade of service in the Senate, 28 sponsored, ONE passed.

I guess I’ll have to do some more darn research.

Why is there no discussion of Kerry’s legislative leadership and accomplishments by ANY of the Mainstream Press nor Network News Anchors? Why are we NOT being reminded hourly by the newsreaders who so conspicuously endorse Kerry, about all the wonderful legislation he sponsored, or the bills he voted FOR and AGAINST?

Oh, yeah. He voted BOTH ways on the war against Iraq… THAT we’ve heard about plenty.

Well?????

No one is jamming their transmission. We are huddled around our receiver sets, hungry for information…

???

The silence of the media on Kerry’s record since his four months in Vietnam speaks with devastating eloquence. They looked at his record and HAD to realize that it could only damage his chances for election to remind people of what he has said, and which bills he’s supported and opposed.

But he sure does a good job of looking serious.

I bet when he orders a meal in a restaurant, that helps keep the wait staff on their toes.

Islamic fundamentalist America-hating terrorists, you’d better watch your ASSES! We have a candidate with GRAVITAS!

Surely, in some fourth-floor walk-up in Brooklyn, a conversation just like this might happen:

“Sayeed, is it your will to detonate this day some C-4 on the public way where walk many infidels which is a stink in the eye of the Almighty?”

“Afendi, most assuredly not, for by the Prophet’s beard, the hated nation of our enemy has brought forth and set against us a person fairly sloppin’ over with GRAVITAS!”

“Accursed be him that so hinders our blessed and compassionate plan to blow up all creation in the name of Merciful ALLAH! Would that we yet contended with only such as George, whom we deemed quite devoid of this Gravitas…”

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Posted by: The Mad Fiddler [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 24, 2004 11:58 AM

I see the press has plent of people brainwashed. Doesn’t anyone remember that the 527’s are a direct result of “campaign reform?” Rather than condemning 527’s, look at who is doing what with them, because the records are open. I am in a group of Vietnam Veterans that are trying to let people know about Kerry’s behavior after he came back from ‘Nam. In order to do anything, we had to create a 527.

In other words, a 527 is a free speech loophole in the “campaign reform” law.

Regarding the Swifties. Those guys did the same thing. But apparently the also were able to tap into some money to do their ads - and dit should hardly come as a surprise that it is republican money, because democrat donors sure as hell wouldn’t donate.

These guys have an axe to grind with Kerry. They served with him (and this BS about not being on the same boat looks extremely dumb to anyone who has been in the Navy). But they are also former or retired Navy officers, which means a code of honor. They are unlikely to just make stuff up - and they don’t need to anyway.

for those who think it is somejhow dirty pool to contest someone’s biography - which that person made the basis of his campaign - I have to ask why. As far as fantasies of lying, there are 60 people who have signed affidavits. These people run risk of libel lawsuits from a billionair.

Now there are private investigators following these guys around and digging into every detail of their lives.

So much for the concept of democracy - these tactics belong in Russia.

Posted by: John Moore ( Useful Fools ) [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 29, 2004 10:59 PM

I heard today on CNN that Kerry thinks we should train Iraqi Military and will do so if elected president. Im confused because isnt that why we are being threatened by terrorists now? Didnt we train Bin Laden and give him money?

Posted by: Sheri [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 8, 2004 12:58 PM

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