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2004 US Presidential Election
July 30, 2004
Kerry | Kerry Favors Trying Bin Laden In U.S. Court

The Associated Press reports that Kerry favors trying Osama bin Laden in U.S. courts:

“I want him tried for murder in New York City, and in Virginia and in Pennsylvania,” where planes hijacked by al-Qaida operatives crashed Sept. 11, 2001, Kerry said in his first interview as the Democratic presidential nominee.

From California Yankee.



Posted by Dan Spencer at July 30, 2004 03:59 PM | TrackBack
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I prefer “Frying bin Laden in US court”

Happy Snarky Friday, everyone!!

Posted by: johnnymozart [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 04:12 PM

I really, really hope that OBL doesn’t survive the attempt to capture him. It would just be so much cleaner for all concerned.

I know the handwringers among us are simply horrified by the above and to them I respond “So?”

Let’s whack this guy, post photos of his corpse on al jazzzz and moveon.org and then move on to the next idiot that decides to piss us off.

Oh and trolls, save the smarm. It’s friday and I just don’t have the patience left to deal with a whole bunch of phony righteous indignation.

Posted by: skip [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 04:21 PM

Posted by: skip at July 30, 2004 04:21 PM
Let’s whack this guy, post photos of his corpse on al jazzzz and moveon.org and then move on to the next idiot that decides to piss us off.

Oh and trolls, save the smarm. It’s friday and I just don’t have the patience left to deal with a whole bunch of phony righteous indignation.

Skip,

ONLY if we can then put his head on a pike in the WTC memorial garden, his arms/legs to a major border crossing North/South/East & West and then publicly bury his torso with the entrails of 3,000 pigs in front of the Pentagon!!!

and BTW- patience is available 12oz at a time…ESPECIALLY on TGIF!!! ;-)

Posted by: DevilDoc [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 04:28 PM

Yeah, I have a the bachelor’s seven course meal waiting for me at home. left over pizza and a six pack.

Of course the pizza’s homemade, my daughter and I made it last night while watch some teenage girlie movie (Charlie’s angels anyone?)

Posted by: skip [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 04:32 PM

I can understand wanting him in prison for life as apposed to dead on a pike, not for the lefty rightious morality but for the simple ability to prevent him from becomming a martyr to his fans.

But on the same note having him comically die slowly drowning in pig feces while wearing a pink tutu as yakkitysax played in the background would be my preferable option for his demise. Maybe there could be some sort of comprimise between the two. Well let his corpse server out 50 years in a federal prison.

Posted by: Ronin [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 04:36 PM

I do think that Bin Laden should die, but I think the American people would enjoy seeing him in chains before he is sentenced. I would enjoy knowing that he died on American soil rather than in some cave on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border.

Posted by: rjsfg4 [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 04:39 PM

here’s a quote from Today’s VDH article posted on NRO. VDH is amazing for his insight and the breadth of his historical knowledge.

So trolls read this and respond s’il vous plait:

“Indeed, if our dead could rise out of their graves they would surely rebuke us for our present blasphemy — shaking their fingers and remonstrating that bin Laden and his followers, both active and passive, are no different from Hitler and the other evil killers of their own age, who deserve to be defeated, not reasoned with or apologized to, and not understood. The voices of our dead abroad murmur to us, the deaf, that a nation is liked not by being good and weak or bad and strong, but only by proving both principled and resolute.”

Posted by: skip [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 04:39 PM

but only by proving both principled and resolute.

Hmmm, is it just me…or does THAT sound like it could be used to define the term “conviction”!?!

Posted by: DevilDoc [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 04:42 PM

Try OBL in the US? Put OBL in a US jail? Who’s gonna pay for it? I vote against spending anything more then on ammunition to dispose of OBL - it’s cheaper then any trial/incarceration… Although it would be fun watching Johnny Corcoran hold up a turban and say “If it does not fit, you must acquit”…

Posted by: v [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 04:43 PM

Nah, you guys got it all wrong. :)

Build a wooden room 10X10X10 with a door. Put Osama inside.

Attach a cable and use a military helicopter to bring the wooden room up to, oh, say, 1100-1200 feet, take your pick.

Set the wooden room on fire.

Osama now has the choice he gave everyone else.

Posted by: johnnymozart [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 04:50 PM

principled and resolute. That’s what we need and it ain’t coming from Kerry & Co.

Posted by: skip [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 04:52 PM

“I can understand wanting him in prison for life as apposed to dead on a pike, not for the lefty rightious morality but for the simple ability to prevent him from becomming a martyr to his fans.”

I do not see any downside of him being dead, martyred or not.

Martyrs are overrated.

Posted by: Dody Gunawinata [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 05:02 PM

GOOD TRY BUT…

Kerry knows that these Democrat states are in contention. They are not a lock.

Democrats may play U2’s song “Beautiful Day” at every event on their campaign - but Bush got Bono $15 Billion to fight AIDS in Africa.

Kerry may be talking French when he considers capture of Bin-Laden. Bush speaks New Yorker when he says “DEAD or alive”.

Bin-Laden has got to go. Terrorist talk that martyr stuff, but my feeling is - whatever. His escape and hidding has emboldened them more. Without him, doubt will creap in, and so will turn the tide.

If he is spared the death he deserves, and granted the luxury of a a show trial, expect more Bin-Laden fatwah videos, with better recording quality.

It might be cathartic to Americans, to see him on trial, but we would regret not being able to grind his bones as punishment - like what he did to 3000 on 9/11.

His capture would be climactic (and great for Bush), but details of intelligence leading to him, descriptions of his decimation, and forensic identification of the remains may provide enough headlines.

If dead, we could expect only a few retaliation strikes by terrorist. Much more would take away from the glory of Allah, and all that. If captured we would have attacks and kidnappings to get him released for a decade.

I favour whacking him, neatly. Leave enough for TV viewers of all ages. Broadcast his carcass to every corner of the world. If some feel grief and vow retaliation - “Bring it on!”… Punks!

Posted by: Agrippa [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 05:20 PM

How about we put on a remote controlled airliner and have it “land” in Mecca?

What kind of posturing boob would think extending Bill of Rights protections to UBL is a good idea?

Posted by: TL [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 05:27 PM

I agree that dead is better. Revenge attacks might occur, but would be better than kidnappings in which the perps want OBL released or they kill the victim. The terrorists would probably not do anything in a revenge attack that they would not have done anyway. I don’t think they are holding back.

Posted by: Johnboy [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 05:35 PM

You guys missed the whole point. Kerry and that other John, want it to go to trial because they are trial lawyers. They saw what Clinton did for them with the tabacco industry, and they want to be known for doing something obscene for their pals.

Posted by: No Party [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 07:00 PM

I still like Jeff B’s skull goblet idea.

Posted by: jones [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 07:30 PM

Yes, Yes, by all means try him.

For each of the 3,000 murders. Separately. One after another.

Make him spend every remaining day of his life in court listening to the case against him, and, worse, listening to himself regurgitate the same self-serving defenses.

Drag him in hooked up to his dialysis machine as he is dying. Make him take his last breath in a courtroom.

Call it ordeal by trial.

Posted by: Paul Danish [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 07:33 PM

For the life of me I can’t understand why Kerry would say such a thing out loud. I know folks who opposed the war in Iraq AND Alfghanistan that would look at you like you were nuts if you suggested trying Bin Laden for “murder.”

Saying such a thing serves no purpose. Kerry, just like the rest of us, has no idea of the circumstances under which OBL will be apprehended or if he will ever be apprehended at all. And most of the independents that Kerry needs to be elected understand that OBL is an enemy of the State and as such has no legal or moral standing to receive any type of due process. Was Nuremberg an excercise in due process for the sake of Hitler’s henchmen? Hell no, it was an exercise in military discipline during the course of exterminating captive members of the enemy’s leadership.

:jackson

Posted by: jackson zed [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 08:22 PM

Flip floping away… flip floping away… you know the nearer your destination the more you go flip floping away…

Good song that.

I thought Kerry’s speach was brilliant! It shows the people just how much of a liar he really is!!!

Most politians would hide the skeletons in their closet, namely Kerry’s “nam” experience.

He chose to use them for a lie instead. A hour long lie.

Maybe Kerry can put in for a real purple heart from the wounds he gets from this election… again, it will be self inflicted.

Posted by: Mullah_Abu_Bin_Boobie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 08:38 PM

I think the evidence against Osama only requires a summary hearing. Why waste taxpayers money on a never ending trial? That’s just too—-Democrat.

Trail lawyers suck the country dry as it is. Don’t let the enemy destroy us from within, namely, sucking us dry using our liberty, freedom, and laws which were designed for those who wish to live within those confines.

Posted by: Mullah_Abu_Bin_Boobie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 08:47 PM

America was America because it’s people were proud to be free, and lived within it’s constitutional framework.
If you destroy it, you will no longer have “America”

Is America like the rest of the world? No.

Ask yourself why.

Now ask if you want to be like the rest of the world, or start thinking about the freedom you (had) and are about to loose if you hand over sovereignty to the UN (which is the same as letting other leaders of other countries dictating the way your country works) as John and John propose.

Most of those members of the UN are Islamic by the way.
Why do you think the UN isn’t stomping their feet about all the murder and genocide in Sudan?

Posted by: Mullah_Abu_Bin_Boobie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 08:55 PM

we oughta give the guy who slams one into bin laden’s forward $1m U.S.D.

Posted by: j [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 09:59 PM

try him? he’s already been tried, and found guilty by his own admission. there are 3000 witnesses against him. but i think it only appropriate that we allow any and all lawyers that want on the obl defense team to sign up. that way, when they accidently drop him out the ass end of a c-130 somewhere over the atlantic, his lawyers can take an elevator ride with him.

Posted by: bothenook [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2004 11:53 PM

Trying ObL as the international criminal he is seems entirely appropriate.

But if he dies in a shootout, that’d be OK too.

Posted by: Don [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 10:32 AM

If he didn’t choke to death on his nuts, after made to eat them, we might want to do something, well, sort of grizzly. There are probably some real creative minds looking for him at this very minute. This would be one time that filming would be totally acceptable and encouraged. :)

I’d be willing to do time, if allowed to be the one that evens the score with him.

Posted by: No Party [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 12:28 PM

We tried Noriega, McVeigh, and Yousef in federal district courts, I think they could handle Bin Laden too. If he gets shot in the capture thats no great loss either.

Posted by: rdelephant [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 05:44 PM

Tried for murder? No. I want the guys in the field to kill Bin Laden. Let his death picture be shown on the front pages of newspapers around the world as a lesson to Muslim terrorists wherever they may be found.

If he enters our legal system, and is found guilty, it will be YEARS before he is executed since he’s got the money to game our system.

Posted by: caribsea [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 06:42 PM

Unless the inmate wants to die, death row inmates pretty much get their appellate rights exhausted regardless of their monetary resources. It doesn’t take that long if you are already in the federal system. Timothy McVeigh’s experience was typical.

Posted by: rdelephant [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 31, 2004 08:23 PM

Okay,

I just read an account of this in my local paper and it seems that Kerry was saying that he wanted Bin Laden tried in the US as opposed to some international tribunal. This is more like a statement I would expect to hear from a candidate for President of the United States.

:jackson

Posted by: jackson zed [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 1, 2004 10:35 AM

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