The Command Post
2004 US Presidential Election
June 27, 2004
| New CP Poll

In the right-hand column of the main 2004 page I’ve re-posted (with reset statistics) the same 2004 Command Post poll question we asked last month:

If the presidential election were held today, for whom would you vote?

This wording is identical to that in the Gallup tracking poll, and we have Nader in the race (because he is). We have last month’s results stashed away, and I’ll show the trend among readers of this page once the poll has had several days to run.

Posted by Alan at June 27, 2004 09:07 AM | TrackBack

Does this tell us anything but the CP is heavily biased towards the right?

Posted by: Lakhim at June 27, 2004 11:43 AM

[adj] excessively devoted to one faction
[adj] favoring one person or side over another; “a biased account of the trial”; “a decision that was partial to the defendant”

Main Entry: 4bias
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): bi·ased or bi·assed; bi·as·ing or bi·as·sing
1 : to give a settled and often prejudiced outlook to
2 : to apply a slight negative or positive voltage to (as an electron-tube grid)
synonym see INCLINE

What were you looking to know? DU is heavily biased toward the left. So?
Are you familiar with the expression “Birds of a feather flock together”? Us Eagles hang out on the same cliff. The Buzzards at DU hang out at the carcass of Socialism. Look at the up-side. Here the DU_LL crowd can post as they want and engage in a debate if they have the stones for it. At DU ANY deviation from the party line gets you banned. A similar poll at the Democratic Underground would look like one of Saddams elections. Think about that.

Posted by: ableiter at June 27, 2004 12:54 PM

Does this tell us anything but the CP is heavily biased towards the right?

Wow, Lakhim … what a party pooper. First, the poll is nothing more than an opportunity for the site to be a bit more interactive. Second, as Michele and I have noted on countless occasions, we work VERY HARD to keep the postings on the news pages as slant-free as is possible (given that we can never remove ourselves from our particular context, yadda yadda yadda).

Yes, many of our readers lean right. Yes, many of our contributors, on their home blogs, lean right. But “CP biased heavily toward the right?” Your conclusion, your opinion … and one with which I disagree. (As do, apparently, a number of left-leaning organizations and think tanks that send us press releases on a regular basis. Toss in the Library of Congress, too … they’ve added the Iraq and GWOT pages to their MINERVA permanent historical collection … odd thing to do if the site is simply the “heavily biased” ranting of a particular political viewpoint.)

As I’ve written before, Michele and my personal political views might very well surprise you. Indeed, I can assure you a week doesn’t go by that we don’t police one of our contributors for editorializing in a news post. So please don’t confuse the views of the publishers with the views of the readers.

Posted by: Alan at June 27, 2004 01:45 PM

Not to worry, Alan, we, your loyal visitors, would never attribute idiocy like Lakhim’s to you and Michelle just because you are fair enough to let him post here.

Posted by: TL at June 27, 2004 02:01 PM

Now, now TL … civility and respect. But thank you for your loyalty and support. It means a lot.

BTW: “Bitter Surfing Monkey”??

Posted by: Alan at June 27, 2004 02:19 PM

The bias of the readers are to the right. As ableiter said, birds of a feather flock together.

Your Op-Ed page shows the bias of the CP in the content of the page- heavily pro-Bush, pro-war

Posted by: Lakhim at June 27, 2004 02:43 PM

Lakhim -

Yeah? So?

If you don’t like it, there’s the door —>

Don’t let it hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

Posted by: eric at June 27, 2004 06:16 PM

Running a poll on who the CP is going to vote for President is pointless.

Posted by: Lakhim at June 27, 2004 06:20 PM

I was going to post on how Lakhim was right on and how Alan should cut back on the Smack, but then eric chimmed in and I just can’t seem to top him after demonstrating almost everything I was going to say in four simple lines, this was genius distilled down to perfection. It’s just that Lakhim is so right on this one that it would be just another waste of good time commending him. I say, let all the grand eagles have their much vaunted roost! What fine and noble creatures they all are, if they do say so themselves. If Kerry had reached 30% in the present poll it would mean nothing less than a landslide defeat for Bush. That would have been the only outcome making this poll noteworthy.

Posted by: mac33 at June 27, 2004 06:46 PM

Lakhim (and all other carpers),

Get your own site. Post your own poll.

Otherwise repeat after me.

Thank you for letting us hang out at your fine site, Alan and Michelle.

Posted by: jones at June 27, 2004 06:55 PM

But Dr. Jones, that poll would be just as worthless.

By the way, thanks for reinforcing my point, it wasn’t needed, but it is appreciated.

Posted by: mac33 at June 27, 2004 07:00 PM


I am not talking about worth of the poll. The poll is not valid. Duhh.

I am talking about going somewhere and be ungracious to your kind hosts. People come here and complain too much. Thus my advice.

By the by, right now, every poll on the subject is worthless at this time.

Posted by: jones at June 27, 2004 07:08 PM

Then you must be talking about all those above who responded to Lakhim. He only stated what you just did and then all his respondents, including Alan, started carping, right?

Posted by: mac33 at June 27, 2004 07:13 PM

Mac, I wouldn’t my response—a request to not assume Michele and I hold the same views as our readers—carping. I’d consider it a request, a clarification, and a response to the suggestion that we produce a site that is “heavily biased towards the right.”

Posted by: Alan at June 27, 2004 08:56 PM

Also, I’d remind everyone that the last time we ran this poll (last month), the results were 50% Bush, 48% Kerry:

Posted by: Alan at June 27, 2004 08:58 PM

Only because the DU swamped your site Alan.

Posted by: Lakhim at June 27, 2004 09:05 PM

Why don’t you suggest they do so again, Lakhim?

That said, it is a useless poll even if DU represents the left, since nobody in the middle is actually watching any anti/war blogs.

P.S. I am biased against slavery and fascism. Do you want to give the KKK and skinheads equal time? It just so happens the truth sometimes favors one side. I suggest you consider that maybe the places you claim are unbiased might not be.

Posted by: CCR at June 27, 2004 09:35 PM

I never said that I wanted ‘equal time’, and I laugh at any internet poll.

Posted by: Lakhim at June 27, 2004 09:41 PM

Internet Polling is non scientific but as Alan points out it provides interactivity. It gives us something to do once we are done amusing ourselves with watching the crazy antics of the lefties.

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at June 27, 2004 10:48 PM

Well at least Lakhim oepnly acknowledges that we’ve been targeted and raided by DemocraticUnderground.Com

I’ll tell you, it’s a good thing for them that I’m ethical.

There are at least 2 seperate 0-Day vulnerabilities that DU is suceptible to.

So you and all your wing-nut, kool-aid drinking buddies just go ahead and thank whatever “New Age” diety you worship that THIS conservative is neither as evil nor as brainwashed as dismissively think him to be.

Posted by: eric at June 27, 2004 11:29 PM

Ha, does the DU need a new webmaster?

(Oh, and by the way, if anything happens to the DU’s website, I’m reporting that post to the police)

Posted by: Lakhim at June 28, 2004 12:11 AM

OT Letter in the June 25 issue of USA Today. Via the incomparable Marine Corps Moms:

Criticism of Kerry’s Purple Heart is just

Retired U.S. army colonel David Hackworth defends presidential candidate John Kerry’s Purple Hearts. He correctly notes that they are awarded for a wound that necessitates treatment by a medical officer and that is received in action with an enemy (”The meaning of a Purple Heart,” The Forum, June 16).

I was the commanding officer to whom Kerry reported his injury on Dec. 3, 1968. I had confirmed that there was no hostile fire that night and that Kerry had simply wounded himself with an M-79 grenade round he fired too close. He wanted a Purple Heart, and I refused. Louis Letson, the base physician, saw Kerry and used tweezers to remove the tiny piece of shrapnel — about 1 centimeter in length and 2 millimeters in diameter. Letson also confirmed that the scratch was inflicted with our M-79.

We admire Col. Hackworth, but he, above all people, knows why it is unacceptable to nominate yourself for an award. It compromises the basic military principle that we survive together. To promote yourself is to denigrate your team. I hope Col. Hackworth will rethink his characterization of Kerry’s swift-boat comrades as ”grousers” passing on ”secondhand bilge.” In our case, this is firsthand knowledge, and our integrity is unquestioned.

Kerry orchestrated his way out of Vietnam and then testified, under oath, before Congress that we, his comrades, had committed horrible war crimes. This testimony was a lie and slandered honorable men. We, who were actually there, believe he is unfit to command our sons and daughters.

Grant Hibbard, retired commander
U.S. Navy, Gulf Breeze, Fla.

Louis Letson, M.D.
Retired lieutenant commander
Medical Corps, U.S. Navy Reserve
Scottsboro, Ala.

Posted by: TheTroopersFriends at June 28, 2004 01:30 AM

So what? This CP site is a pro-Bush pro-war site in the same way as Michael Moore’s film/documentary is anti-Bush and anti-war.

When did Alan or Michele post ANYTHING positive about Kerry?


Gather a few thousands pigs and ask them if they want to vote for their slaughter house in chief.
Course they won’t.

The slaughter will still happen though.

Posted by: Get Real at June 28, 2004 06:32 AM

Thanks for showing me the light. I’ll take down the poll right away. Can I get you guys to serve on a governance board approving all interactive features before they go up?

Posted by: Alan at June 28, 2004 07:05 AM

(Oh, and by the way, if anything happens to the DU’s website, I’m reporting that post to the police)
- Originally posted by Larkhim

Oh yes, do that.

Because, you know…
I always NOTIFY a target before I attack.

While you’re on the phone to the police, you can tell them I also won’t be committing any murders today, I won’t be kidnapping Michael Jackson and molesting him, I won’t be opening up a meth lab and I wont be assauting any Mimes.

I will, however, be operating in flagrant disregard of the posted speed limit.

Posted by: eric at June 28, 2004 07:14 AM

And as for “targeted and raided” by DU … no, we haven’t been. And frankly, Michele and I welcome readers from DU or anyplace else. Know why? Because neither she nor I design or intend to run Command Post as a “right-wing” site, that’s why.

Posted by: Alan at June 28, 2004 07:16 AM

Alan I nearly choked on your last words. lol

It goes to show Alan that if that was neither the design nor the intent you definitely failed.

But quite frankly I don’t think your are that naive.

Posted by: Get Real at June 28, 2004 07:34 AM

Alan I nearly choked on your last words. lol

It goes to show Alan that if that was neither the design nor the intent you definitely failed.

But quite frankly I don’t think your are that naive.

Posted by: Get Real at June 28, 2004 07:34 AM

Alan I nearly choked on your last words. lol

It goes to show Alan that if that was neither the design nor the intent you definitely failed.

But quite frankly I don’t think your are that naive.

Posted by: Get Real at June 28, 2004 07:34 AM

Get Real, I keep writing this, but I guess you keep wanting to not believe it: don’t confuse the commentators with the publishers. Our personal political views may surprise you. We welcome contributors from all quarters.

And thanks for posting that comment three times.

Posted by: Alan at June 28, 2004 07:36 AM

Sorry about the stutter

Posted by: Get Real at June 28, 2004 07:37 AM

Ok then if you don’t admit to it let’s repeat the question.

When did you last post anything positive about Kerry?

Posted by: Get Real at June 28, 2004 07:39 AM

TTF,first Sir may I say (((Thank You))) for you service..GR..your attacks on Alan and Michele are a vail attempt to force them to pull a mm.While your right to descent is welcome more than I can say for the left (Lindsay you out there?),just ask the film goer this weekend of mm movie,first spat on then shoved to the ground after move-on asked his opinion so sir you rant is nothing more than a attempt to wipe the “writing off the wall”;Kerry is a dud;the left for the most part does not represent Normal Americans,ouch I know that hurts but until the left turns around their slide to self destruction,their numbers will fade…

Posted by: Rob..NC at June 28, 2004 08:22 AM

Posted by Get Real at June 28, 2004 07:39 AM
When did you last post anything positive about Kerry?

Probably the last time there WAS anything positive about Kerry.

Personally I remember a couple: I remember when he fell skiing. OH, and when he fell off his bike!

Just think…had he been “in country” he would only need one more and he could go home!

Hmmm, do you think maybe a ‘nasty site infection’ from where he got the botox injections would qualify?!

Posted by: American_Defender at June 28, 2004 08:30 AM

For my response, please see the post just above this one.

Posted by: Alan at June 28, 2004 08:49 AM


I don’t think Alan and Michele need you to defend this CP site. I am sure they can fend for themselves.

I would just ask one question though. Why people like yourself and Redneck Texan in particular spend so much time on this CP site?

The answer is: because the postings chosen by Alan and Michele agree with their political bias.

That is why this CP site is in an overwhelming majority inhabited by Bush and pro-war supporters, right wing neocons, gung ho freaks and Senator Kerry haters.

Nothing wrong with it but just have the honesty to admit to it.

That is why it won’t make one iota of difference to the November election. It is preaching to the converted in the same way as Michael’s Moore people queuing up outside cinemas to see his film/documentary won’t make any difference to the election either.

The election will be decided by the floating voters.

People come to this CP site or watch Michael Moore’s movies to feel good about their already deep seated opinions, not to be converted.

And then you have the tiny minority of people opposed to the views expressed by Moore or this CP site who come to visit just to reinforce their opposition to Bush and the neocons or to Moore’s vision of the world.

Oh, and one more thing by the way Rob. What is a “Normal American”?

If it is one who is right-wing and pro-Bush then half of this country is “ab-normal” as a majority of us voted for Gore four years ago.

But who cares about the norm. The norm is an established standard of behavior and it changes following the evolution of our societies.

Well that is if you believe in EVOLUTION Rob.

Posted by: Get Real at June 28, 2004 09:11 AM

American Defender, I rest my case! lol

Posted by: Get Real at June 28, 2004 09:16 AM

Alan if Rob’s rant is your answer it’s a very poor one.

Posted by: Get Real at June 28, 2004 09:20 AM

No, not the COMMENT above this, the POST above this. As on the main page … the one where I offer you a contributor position with Command Post.

Posted by: Alan at June 28, 2004 09:40 AM

On a related note: on archaic syntax where can I vote to eschew?


Posted by: Derek at June 28, 2004 04:42 PM

Well Alan and Michelle, you are obviously right wingers because you don’t bash Bush with your every breath. Isn’t that how it works???

That was sarcasm BTW. You guys and gals post the news from Iraq that isn’t in the mainstream. If presenting the news from Iraq is “pro-war”, that’s a pretty loose definition.

Don’t know what your personal views are, don’t really care. I appreciate the forum you’ve provided and the service of presenting a much more comprehensive view of the situation in Iraq then the mainstream media is presenting.

I don’t know why you bother defending yourself from these charges. The people bringing them don’t care much for the facts anyway.

Posted by: Keith at June 28, 2004 05:58 PM

Keith when you have finished licking, wash your mouth please.

Posted by: Get Real at June 29, 2004 08:58 AM

Vulgar snipes tell us more about the people hurling them then they do about the person who is the recipient.

God Bless You, Get Real…

Posted by: keith at June 29, 2004 11:27 AM

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