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2004 US Presidential Election
June 08, 2004
| Kerry the Realist

WaPo writes:

This year’s presidential election so far offers a choice in foreign policy, between a neo-Wilsonian who has made the promotion of democracy and human rights a central tenet and an old-school realist who believes it more sensible to focus on managing concrete threats to U.S. security.

But here’s the hook:

Sounds familiar: Only the realist is not a hard-nosed Republican standing up to a fuzzy-headed Democrat, but John F. Kerry challenging George W. Bush.


Posted by Alan at June 8, 2004 07:38 AM | TrackBack
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I’m curious, how does putting all your faith in the UN and France make you a “realist”?

Posted by: Brian at June 8, 2004 08:18 AM

Bleh..Realist?

The guy cant vote the same way on the same thing twice consecutively and you call hill a realist?

I think Bush is doing a pretty “concrete” job of dealing with threats abroad by destroying or incapacitating them. Kerry wants to placate and compromise with people who would see us dead.

That, my freinds, is not realistic by a long shot.

Posted by: HullBreach at June 8, 2004 08:58 AM

Kerry a realist? The only thing real about him is that he ‘really’ does look like Herman Munster…not Lerch as the democrats would have us believe!!
Besides his wife sorta looks like Lily and speaks with a foreign accent too!! Damn, where’s grampa when you need him.

Posted by: dickD at June 8, 2004 09:26 AM

Nice try to reinvent Kerry, but it does not really work here. Kerry’s foreign policy is more akin to the that espoused by the pacifists/isolationists who reluctantly supported WWII only after Pearl Harbor and is firmly grounded in the left leaning and pro-socialists wing of his party that seeks to keep America only strong enough to not threaten anyone.

We have to remember that to this group, who strongly support Kerry and are vehemently opposed to the Bush “take it to the enemy” policy, the goal is to not to win but play for a “tie.”

Posted by: Fish at June 8, 2004 10:33 AM

No Fish…. In Reality, they hate themselves, therefore they have a Death Wish. They want
to take everyone else down with them.

ANSWER members for the most part are Nihilists and do not really understand the world.

They just HATE. (There are some decent, but misguided fools there as well).

Posted by: leaddog2 at June 8, 2004 12:36 PM

Kerry, Kuchinich, Dean and Gore all belong to that segment of supposed humanity.

Posted by: leaddog2 at June 8, 2004 12:37 PM

Does anyone have a running tally on the number of Al Qaeda operatives, and/or other terrorists, thus far caught or killed in the last 3 years? It would help to counter this notion that the Bush policy is not taking out “concrete threats.”

Posted by: Curt at June 8, 2004 03:52 PM

Curt, numbers won’t matter to the left. To them Bush’s decisions have simply resulted in more terrorists joining up. There’s no logic to their hatred it’s just raw un fettered emotion.

Posted by: skip at June 8, 2004 05:17 PM

Skip, wow, way to disregard any alternative perspective other than your own. The Right would just love an America without differing views. seems almost unAmerican to me.
Please spare the intellgent folks, Conservatives included, your rhetorical tripe. Didnt you get the memo? “Bush-Haters” is out now, something about the word giving the user an image of constitutional ignorance.

Posted by: Frankfurter at June 8, 2004 05:33 PM

I think the strong emotions come from the general disdain for Bush and his politics and how he’s royally f***ing up America and her role in the global community… Seems pretty damn logical to me.
As far as hatred goes, I wouldnt go around using that argument, since there’s been enough white-hot hate towards Kerry coming from this board alone for you to trip, kicking your foot straight down your throat.

Posted by: Brian at June 8, 2004 05:39 PM

No, people don’t really hate Kerry. Hating Kerry is a little bit like hating an ant you accidentally tread on - its tragic, that’s all.

I have to say, I’m from the UK so I don’t vote in American politics, but from what I’ve seen Kerry is a dud. A really bad loser of a dud. I mean, its as if the guy has ‘loser’ tattooed across his forehead. Anyone who can betray his fellow comrades in arms to promote his position in politics is frankly disgusting.

Kerry will lose. Maybe Bush deserves to lose (though I don’t think so), but Kerry cannot win because of who he is. He’s carrying too much unpleasant baggage around with him from Vietnam (he smells a lot like a traitor.)

The more people get to know Kerry, the less they like him. That’s why they are trying to keep him off the TV at the moment. As long as people hate Bush, they may get votes, but the more they find out about Kerry, the less likely they will be to vote for him.

If I were voting, it would be for Bush. A few years ago, I would have surprised myself to think that as he appeared a tongue-tied fool. But Bush has grown into the position of President well, and made some tough decisions that put the interests of the western world first. For that, he would get my vote.

Posted by: Daniel Polwarth at June 8, 2004 07:11 PM

Hey folks, we’re all about preserving your delicate rights, even you loud mouth mongoloids. Here’s the scenario:

As far as your rights go, we don’t really give a hoot if you are a man and want to have sex with another man or another man’s goat. In one breath you can denounce God, and in the other state that “That’s why God made Gerbils.” It’s nausiating to us, but whatever. We really don’t give a hoot what you liberals come up with on a daily basis, as long as it doesn’t involve us, our children, or our ability to worship God, since that is what this country is founded on.

BUT….we are at war. This is a serious war and we have the leadership in place to take care of the problem. DON‘T BE A PART OF THE PROBLEM. Go do what it is that you do in the privacy of your own home, or in a parade, and leave us the f*** alone while we defend the freedom that you are so focused on abusing. We don’t tell you how to do the weird crap you do, don’t tell us to throw this country to the dogs, while you’re calling in the dogs.

Posted by: Jeff B at June 8, 2004 10:10 PM

Was homosexuality even mentioned in this? Who’s the homosexual? Or religion,when was that a factor? That was a pretty crazy tangent you just went off on Jeff. And I think you got it mixed up, the inbred mongoloids are the ones in the White house. Your ‘scenario’ seems pretty paranoid there Jeff. Sad.
Didnt some priest just come out and say he was gay? How secure you must be of your religion. Very hypocrtical universe youve locked yourself into. Wouldnt you say that no matter what, there are FLAWS in some things? This is the point of freedom Jeff, that we have the freedom to call out the inconsistencies of authority and establishment in hope of improving and bettering it. NOT closing yourself off to it, and shying away from your GOD given freedom to open mindedly abject to the important issues plaguing the wellness of this country (homosexuality in society is definitely not one of them, unless it involves the secretive rape of young children by religious figures) You sir, are a coward, and it is people like you who are ‘throwing this country to the dogs’, not those who stand up in argument for LIFE and liberty.

Posted by: Brian at June 9, 2004 02:01 AM

Open-Minded Ha! Ha! Ha!

Thank you Brian. A good joke is always helpful to help decent Americans put up with those idiots.

Posted by: leaddog2 at June 9, 2004 03:08 PM

Kerry is a traitor. Bush is not a traitor. Simple, really.
The left is always whining about how President Bush is mucking up the United States of America.
Amazingly, the jobs market is growing, housing starts are up considerably, interest rates are still very admirable, the auto industry is making cars at a prodigious rate, disposable income for the average American is soaring. Gas prices are a little higher than Americans are used to, but to be honest about it, the extra 10 dollars a week I am going to spend on gasoline is pretty trivial. Those industries that depend on fuel derived from petroleum to conduct business will pass on the higher cost of fuel to the consumers, which will amount to pennies, and is basically meaningless.
A person has only to look around themselves to see and observe that America is booming with industry, productivity and leading the worlds economy to bigger and better things.
That does not sound like a failure to properly lead a country. It IS a resounding success.
In addition to leading the country through and beyond 9/11, President Bush has SUCCESSFULLY taken the war of terror off of American soil. Iraq is booming and democracy will come to that country, in spite of all the doomsayers and appeasers.
President Bush’s administration has done more good for America, and the world, in three years, than the previous administration accomplished in eight years.

Posted by: joe citizen at June 9, 2004 09:49 PM

“Iraq is booming”
you at least got that part right.

Funny, Kerry is a traitor? Who was it that dodged the fighting altogeth in Vietnam? Who was the coward? And who was willing to give his life for his country? Youve got a distorted idea of what makes a traitor joe. I.

Posted by: Brian at June 9, 2004 10:43 PM

This is my definition of a traitor.
http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000837.html

Posted by: joe citizen at June 9, 2004 10:52 PM

“And who was willing to give his life for his country?”
Well it wasn’t John “Papercut Purple Heart” Kerry. He went to Vietnam to make a name for himself pure and simple. If he had truly wanted to serve, he would have stayed with his crew, not make up an injury and run home to play politics.
Besides, how could he be a super war patriot while he was busy commiting war crimes?

Posted by: The other Brian at June 10, 2004 03:25 PM

…yet you still support
model-american-(cheer)leader Bush.
As for war-crimes, Ashcroft and company are doing a stand-up job for the company. Lookout folks, Bush-hating will take on a whole new meaning in some months, and you’ll be wishing for the good ole days where Bush-hating seemed like a past-time and not something so tangible.

Posted by: Brian at June 11, 2004 01:33 AM

That’s right Brian, dodge the issue. Name one war crime Ashcroft has done, oh wait, you can’t. Kerry admitted doing his to congress in sworn testimony. While you sit and lambast the PATRIOT act, I didn’t hear any liberals decrying Clinton’s use of the IRS and FBI to intimidate his political opponents. You should never belive your own hype Brian.

Posted by: Other Brian at June 11, 2004 07:27 AM

Frankfurter-
I for one didn’t get the memo (out of the intelligence loop, yet again) but I’ve met far too many people who’ve prefaced their remarks about any number of things with a quick testimonial of the degree to which they hate George Bush to know that your dismissal of the phenomenon as if it were some tired cliche of your own invention is utterly beside the point.
Though it is a telling argument, I’ll give you that.

Brian-(the real one)
The war hero schtick is all played out. Kerry is going to rue the day he made Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign. That’s not a threat, it’s a promise. (And what was your last post intended to convey, precisely?)

Marshall Petain was a war hero of several orders of magnitude greater than John Kerry. Nevertheless he betrayed France to the Nazis as surely as he was the hero of Verdun.

Skip, you read books. Have you ever read William Shirer’s “Collapse of the Third Republic” ? Fascinating look at the fall of France in 1940. You know, the more I look at this Kerry/Petain parallel the more I like it.

Posted by: marymcl at June 11, 2004 07:40 AM

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