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2004 US Presidential Election
June 01, 2004
Kerry | Kerry "gives the finger" to a Vietnam Veteran on Memorial Day

How very Presidential: John F. Kerry “gives the finger” to a Vietnam Veteran on Memorial Day … in front of a group of school children.

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Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9:00 a.m. Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, “Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here.”

At that point a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about 6 feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN T-shirt.

Kerry then began talking to a group of schoolchildren. Sampley then showed the T-shirt to the children and said, “Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam.”

Just then Kerry - in front of the school children, other visitors and Secret Service agents - brazenly ‘flashed the bird’ at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, “Sampley is a felon!”

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And he wants to be President? He doesn’t deserve to be dog-catcher. What a jerk.

Via Little Green Footballs and NewsMax.

Um - where’s the outrage in the mainstream press? Oh right - I forgot…

Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, runs the Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry organization.

This is a duplicate of the original post on the nikita demosthenes website.



Posted by nikita demosthenes at June 1, 2004 11:18 AM | TrackBack
Comments

Want an impact? have a picture of the incident with both kerry the vet and the schoolchildren all in the same frame. Then have it appear on one of the big three newsies.

It would be a career killer.

But if they dont have it on film, and if it doesnt get published, then it never happened. Or more to the point might as well never have happened.

Posted by: Ronin at June 1, 2004 11:33 AM

The hair, nikita. You forgot the hair. Civilisation will grind to a halt if Raoul administers a runway trim. Everybody, bear that in mind.

Posted by: bananas at June 1, 2004 11:57 AM

Knowing Ted Sampleys history (BTW: I have a “Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry” bumper sticker on my SUV, my SCCA Race car and Trailer) it would not surprise me if he has full Digital Video with Sound.

Ted Sampley has been waiting for this moment since Kerry and McCain killed the POW\MIA hearings to allow the Communist Vietnamese government to “normalize” relations with the U.S.. There seems to be some debate as to weather the Forbes family benefited from this “Diplomatic Breakthrough”.

I’m sure that Mr. Sampley will enjoy “twisting the knife”. Especially, among those “darlings” of the Mainstream Media, Hanoi John’s “Band of Others”.

Posted by: ET at June 1, 2004 12:15 PM

Heh…Ted Sampley has been a thorn in John Kerry’s ass for some time. So much so that Kerry and McCain felt compelled sometime back to personally bash Sampley via press announcements.

Glad to see that Ted got another lick back in.

Posted by: Bucky Katt at June 1, 2004 12:30 PM

What? Where was Al Franken to tackle Sampley?

Posted by: v at June 1, 2004 12:38 PM

Wait a minute! Whatever happened to the “right to protest” and the desire for a “diversity of opinion” and the need for “people to speak truth to power”?
You would think principled liberals everywhere would be demanding an apology from Kerry. Are there any?

You gotta wonder just what kind of stupid, grade A A-hole Kerry is. He’s calling Secret Service officers (the guys who swear to take a bullet for him) “SOBs” when he falls skiing, claims “I don’t fall down” (everybody who skis falls down, you ass) and then he flips off one of his “Band of Brothers” who reminds him of what a phony anti-war jackass he was after his four-month resume building exercise in Viet Nam. If you’re his campaign advisor, would you not recommend that he go to some other memorial, where people are less inclined to regard him as a traitorous whore?

Nice buy, Dems. Very nice.

Posted by: TL at June 1, 2004 12:41 PM

Good for Kerry. He should have smacked Sampley like the female canine he is, using the hairy side, not the smooth, what with his wussy ‘Hanoi John’ shirt.

Flipping the bird in front of the children. Won’t somebody please think of the children!?! I compare this event to when Bush (or was it Cheney?)uttered ‘asshole’ over the open mike.

Dog catcher? Bush couldn’t be a dog catcher in most areas, due to his previous DUI. Being a drunk driver is much worse than a bird flipper.

Posted by: Vince at June 1, 2004 01:41 PM

Kerry flips a guy off and acts about as unpresidential and idiotic as can be imagined and all you can do is compare it to Bush Bush Bush Bush.

You deserve Kerry.

Posted by: TL at June 1, 2004 02:23 PM

So were expected to believe this Sampley without photo’s and videos? Sampley was staging an incident and didnt have it videotaped? No one from the press cought it? No one from Bush’s campaign cought it on video?

This doesnt even pass the laugh test.

Is there bias in the underlying article? This cought my eye: “McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing”… McCain, a Pow for how many years? was offending POW families???

Posted by: Loofa at June 1, 2004 02:47 PM

Notice that anything that contrasts with the lefty’s world view is laughed off or ignored.

Posted by: eric at June 1, 2004 03:07 PM

Actually, anything thats original source is NewsMax is ignored. By me. I cant believe people still believe that junk. Try critical thinking sometime.

Posted by: dave at June 1, 2004 03:16 PM

Dimocrats are affraid of anything “Original” because it often involves critical thinking dave…I don’t think Kerry did it because he is so out of touch with the common man that he would be clueless about what the gesture meant….

Posted by: tinky winky at June 1, 2004 03:58 PM

Try critical thinking sometime. - Posted by Dave

It’s been my experience that people who chastise others by suggesting they try “critical thinking” are rarely capable of it themselves.

I wonder if Dave would be willing to go on record as saying that Kerry did NOT flip someone the bird?

Posted by: eric at June 1, 2004 04:14 PM

Has this shown up anywhere else? I gotta say, unless this shows up somewhere besides Conservative blogs, major skepticism is in order.

If Al Franken & Michael Moore’s sites ran a story saying the Prez dropped a F-bomb in front of a nun, I wouldn’t buy that.

Posted by: jackofalltrades at June 1, 2004 04:29 PM

The guys tosses medals (or was it ribbons?), but then they really weren’t his. He told stories of atrocities (UNDER OATH), but they weren’t really true they were just ‘over the top’. He discussed assassinating US Congressmen, but then he wasn’t ‘really’ there when that was discussed.

Give me one good reason to doubt this story has legs. I don’t really give a rip whether or not he flipped off a VN Vet. He did FAR WORSE thirty years ago, so a finger at this point hardly qualifies as a huge afront.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at June 1, 2004 04:48 PM

Interesting story, but we’ve got to have more than a single-source NewsMax report to run with this. Certainly, Sampley doesn’t sound like a very credible source. This one smacks of “too good to check”.

Posted by: Crank at June 1, 2004 05:29 PM

I can see most reasonable people realize this story is likely pure bunk. Even the most basic journalistic checking would find out which school the kids were from, ask for pictures, audiot, video, check with witnesses, etc. None of that was done, thus the bs-o-meter edges over to the red…

Why would I “go on the record” one way or the other? A single-source unsupported newsmax story isnt worthy of commentary. That was my original point.

Posted by: dave at June 1, 2004 05:47 PM

I won’t say it’s bunk yet, but I definitely want it from a more reliable source before I call it credible.

Posted by: foto at June 1, 2004 06:37 PM

Oh yeah? I heard that 100 years ago John Kerry ripped off the head of a WWI veteran, pissed down his neck, then beat his headless body with a Russian flag and a Nazi Cross, all the while screaming “Who’s your daddy…Who’s your daddy!”.
Far far worse than an AWOL Guardsman!

Posted by: crazy at June 1, 2004 06:57 PM

Dave -

You are either willing to go on record that it didn’t happen, or you are not.

Be a man. Make a decision.

Posted by: eric at June 1, 2004 07:57 PM

A little off center but has anyone read the recent news blurbs about Kerry and his statements about how Bush didn’t/hasn’t done enough about NUCLEAR terrorism?

Wanna bet that recent briefings have discussed the high(er) probability of a Nuclear terror act sometime before the election?

Just a thought….

Posted by: zettler at June 1, 2004 11:15 PM

ET “Band of Others”… LOL. That sounds…so…ALIEN.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at June 2, 2004 07:46 AM

I wouldn’t put too much faith in Sampley:

http://www.miafacts.org/prankster.htm

Posted by: Vince at June 2, 2004 08:32 AM

I’m as leery of NewsMax as anyone else, and I find the story a little hard to believe, so I looked to see who the source was. The NewsMax header reads:

“Former Congressman John Leboutillier reports on a Memorial Day confrontation between Sen. John Kerry and a fellow Vietnam veteran”

Of course, the former congressman has a bit of a reputation as a loose cannon. See http://www.maryellenmark.com/text/magazines/life/905W-000-016.html for some examples.

Posted by: Mike at June 2, 2004 01:19 PM

Capn doc-
If you look at the mil pages, military use ribbons for medals on their uniforms. Kerry would wear 3 They call them both ribbons. And Kerry said he threw his ribbons- some of which were medals over the wall. Since you can buy replacement ribbons and medals at the PX (so Im told- except for the CMOH) and they do wear out, this was largely a symbolic gesture. Apparently Kerry kept the actual medals having earned them the hard way.

And the atrocities stories the repeated were the ones that other vets had told him-from their personal experience.

And clearly youve never been in the military. (neither have I).

Oh and nice try making it about Kerry’s credibility when President AWOL lies all the time.

Posted by: Loofa at June 2, 2004 06:32 PM

Why can’ some body get this on the Fox news? I know why the liberal media will not show it, but if it really happened, why want some othe media outlet show it? Bill Oreilly should be all over this if it actually happened.

Posted by: Braden Ussery at June 2, 2004 09:43 PM

Loofa-

If you’ve never been in the military, what criteria do you use to “clearly” determine whether or not any one else has served?

Clear as mud, by the way. Leaving aside your lame attempt at insulting Cap’n Doc, do you actually think that people who have been in the military are so stupid they don’t see your ignorance revealed in your comments and assumptions about other people’s service?

Posted by: marymcl at June 2, 2004 10:35 PM

Loofa

One lie from Bush, just one. Give us the quote from the public record and the lie.

It doesn’t really matter if the ribbons are replaceable or not(I doubt it without authorization as many have special meanings) but it’s the act. So basically if the act had no signifigance for Kerry it was just a publicity grabbin stunt which is even worse.

As far as stories from other Vets, PLEASE. If you didn’t see it, or do it, it might as well not have happened. Face it, your precious Kerry LIED,LIED,LIED his ass off in front of congress and the American people on several occasions.

Chads

Posted by: chads at June 2, 2004 11:07 PM

Oh get a life you stupid jerks. Either a) you’re all jealous that John Kerry has actually made a future for himself or b) you’re like the members of Swift Boat Veterans For Truth and all those other sham right-wing organizations and you crawl out of the wood-work, sign a few letters with your old military rank and claim someone is a disgrace to you. The fact is that atrocities were committed in Vietnam, whether you like it or not, and John Kerry said so. Kerry served and he had every right to bash the war when he came back and frankly, i’m glad he did because the war was stupid and idiotic and i’m glad it turned public opinion away from the war and got us out of that quagmire. I just wish the same would happen in Iraq, but it probably will soon enough. What will happen is that George W. Bush and the rest of his Chickenhawk administration will be sent packing. Bon Voyage Georgie, guess Bushes can’t make it 2 terms.

Posted by: Max at June 3, 2004 03:14 AM

Oh get a life you stupid jerks. Either a) you’re all jealous that John Kerry has actually made a future for himself or b) you’re like the members of Swift Boat Veterans For Truth and all those other sham right-wing organizations and you crawl out of the wood-work, sign a few letters with your old military rank and claim someone is a disgrace to you. The fact is that atrocities were committed in Vietnam, whether you like it or not, and John Kerry said so. Kerry served and he had every right to bash the war when he came back and frankly, i’m glad he did because the war was stupid and idiotic and i’m glad it turned public opinion away from the war and got us out of that quagmire. I just wish the same would happen in Iraq, but it probably will soon enough. What will happen is that George W. Bush and the rest of his Chickenhawk administration will be sent packing. Bon Voyage Georgie, guess Bushes can’t make it 2 terms.

Posted by: Max at June 3, 2004 03:14 AM

The Truth is still the Truth even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.

John F___IN Kerry is so full of it.

I would bet the wack job that posted above this one has the statement down pat. “Oh anyone but Bush ” great answer you flamming liberal. A vote for Kerry is a vote for the terrorist.

Thats OK if you want to get your prayer rug ready and pray to allah. Let me guess! Baby killer are ya? Tree huggin, bike ridin, peta lovin, veggie eatin liberal are ya?
This is no time to show weakness to the terrorist. If you want them to rule the world you just keep on thinking the way you are and you will get your wish. But I will fight tooth and nail and most Americans will. Well except for spineless CHICKEN hawks i guess GIVE ME A BREAK will you! ERRR!!! stupid jerks such big words you have used today please give your small brain a rest and take a nap I know it took alot out of you to post here.

I do believe we in the USA were attacked on 9/11/01 did you forget that? Or should we have just said Oh! thats OK we know you didnt mean to attack the USA can we be friends now?

HMM!! Kill babys but not the terrorist. I will ask again Do you like to kill innocent babys? I bet you do don’t you! What about 3 thousand innocent Americans? Does that not matter? You should have been taught growing up to protect your own”Your family” “your friends” If you saw someone hurting your friend would you run away? or would you standup for what is correct and help them. I would help I don’t think you would.

We were attacked on 9/11 and we should defend the USA at least some of us would.

As for John Kerry flippin the BIRD typical Kerry response just like a fifteen year old would do.

Well we are in a quagmire here and I must get out now. ROFLMAO!!! Quagmire were you a sixties hippie? smokin weed and makin love? Peace brotha.

Posted by: Wyatt at June 5, 2004 12:39 PM

Good job avoiding all the issues there Wyatt. Lets see, Bush led us into a war which has nothing to do with terrorists (Iraq) but lets follow him anyway. Right? Is that what you’re preaching? I mean, it isn’t as though there’s no link between Saddam and Osama, and it isn’t as though al Qaeda isn’t active in Iraq…oh wait… Looks like a true Bush supporter, someone who just goes back to 9/11 and screams. How has Bush made us safer though? He’s cut funding for the invaluable “first responders” and he’s spread our troops into a country that played no role in 9/11 and didn’t ever present a threat to our security.

Posted by: Max at June 5, 2004 03:25 PM

If i were Kerry i would’ve turned to Sampley and said, “Should you really be walking away from your t-shirt and souvenir stand now, it looks like some very sad families are about to walk in. Just your type of customers.”

Posted by: Max at June 5, 2004 04:32 PM

If i were Kerry i would’ve turned to Sampley and said, “Should you really be walking away from your t-shirt and souvenir stand now, it looks like some very sad families are about to walk in. Just your type of customers.”

Posted by: Max at June 5, 2004 04:32 PM

If i were Kerry i would’ve turned to Sampley and said, “Should you really be walking away from your t-shirt and souvenir stand now, it looks like some very sad families are about to walk in. Just your type of customers.”

Posted by: Max at June 5, 2004 04:32 PM

Oh Max so sorry to say but there are proven links to Iraq and Alquida. where you from max? Would you rather have them fighting here in the US? Let me guess you are not from here. Yes you are intitled to your opinions as I am mine, just sorry to say you are wrong. “IMO” we can disagree But yes I do feel safer. And BTW if saddam did not want to force the issue why not fully open his country like he said he would do after the first gulf war. Did he or did he not attack more than one of his bordering countrys? use gas on the Kurds? Do you really like saddam and bin ladin that much to hate the United States? Again Max where are you from? If you do live in the US what is your problem? do you want to see your family and friends die at the hands of such people? Have you always backed down to bullies? Let me guess maybe more talks? Maybe let the United Nations run the show around the world. OK they dont even have enough troops or helicopters to help in Hatii. Let me see Max is you opinion the united states is the bad guys?

Can you really give me just one indication that J Kerry will run this country safer and make this a better place to live? Where does he stand? I don’t think even himself or the Dem’s know where he stands. Does he own a SUV? or is it just his familys? did he throw his medals over the wall? or someone elses? will he raise the gas tax or wont he? I suppose the patriot act is a bad thing also? Will he dismantle the military like Slick willie did?
Oh I voted for the 87 billion before I voted agaist it. The man needs to shit or get of the pot. Nothing worse than a person who cant make a stand for something or if they do atleast stand by what they have done instead of back peddling.

Max I mean you no disrespect. These are just my feelings. You or yours won’t change my mind as I will not change yours. You really need to quit watching the communist news networks and get the bigger picture of what is goin on. I look forward to your reply, Try and put alittle more bite into it this time will you. Your last response was weak.

Posted by: Wyatt at June 6, 2004 12:59 AM

I agree with everything max has said…..

Heres a good Republican web site

http://myrawopinions.com/

Posted by: Dennis at June 7, 2004 11:44 AM

THis story is on Rush Limbaughs web site. Thats good enough for me

Posted by: Mustang at June 7, 2004 09:12 PM

Who is stustevens and why is he impersonating our Max?

Posted by: marymcl at June 13, 2004 02:41 PM

i heard he kicked him in the balls and threw hot tar on him, then pulled out a bag of feathers and covered him in those … then he flipped him the bird.

fools

Posted by: bobnjersey at June 28, 2004 04:05 PM

Heh…Ted Sampley has been a thorn in John Kerry’s ass for some time. So much so that Kerry and McCain felt compelled sometime back to personally bash Sampley via press announcements.
Glad to see that Ted got another lick back in.

I’m glad to see that Ted got the bird he deserved! I extend my mid digit to Mr.Sempley as well!

Posted by: Chris Mankey at July 6, 2004 09:59 AM

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