There are some Democratic ideas that I could support - and many that I cannot. Kerry is, by turns, Agnostic or Catholic, depending upon whether or not it is an election year. He is, however, the probable Democratic candidate. Whether or not he is what he says he is at any given moment is of little concern to me.

He lied 30 years ago to further a political agenda that he supported. He also conspired in a plot to assassinate 7 Congressmen. Further, he has never retracted, but chooses to obfuscate. So be it. My choice on November 2nd is clear.

A good question to ask Senator Kerry is if he will ask for the Catholic vote. I think that it would be a cold day in Hell if he garnered the support of the clergy, much less the laity.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at May 2, 2004 04:45 PM

im catholic and after he basically told the pope to shut up, about matters pertaining to faith (not politics) he can no longer be described as a catholic.

I would say he is an oportunist as far as the catholic church goes, if he thinks it will help him he will say he’s a catholic, if he thought publicly disavowing being a catholic would positively ensure his election~~~ he would turn on the catholic church like a rabid dog.

Posted by: rumcrook at May 2, 2004 06:46 PM

“He also conspired in a plot to assassinate 7 Congressmen. “

i call bullshit on your hyperbole. care to back that up with a link to a news story that says that? (that isn’t from lgf or newsmax or other bs rags?)

Posted by: x at May 3, 2004 12:49 AM

Well x, you hoisted the “BS” flag, you prove him wrong.

Posted by: navaldisaster at May 3, 2004 02:05 AM

Who gives a fuck about the catholic vote?

If they could they would vote for Mel Gibson for his trashy movie.

For me the choice is clear.

The candidate who has wasted the lives of 730 US service men and women and killed thousands of innocent Iraqis in an ill-judged Iraqi adventure,

the candidate who is fueling terrorism instead of fighting it,

the candidate who has turned old allies against us and is making the US the most hated country on the planet,

finally the candidate who is keen to send others to die but was unwilling to serve himself in Vietnam,

THAT candidate cannot has my vote.

Truth

Posted by: Truth at May 3, 2004 07:08 AM

Who gives a fuck about the catholic vote?

If they could they would vote for Mel Gibson for his trashy movie.

For me the choice is clear.

The candidate who has wasted the lives of 730 US service men and women and killed thousands of innocent Iraqis in an ill-judged Iraqi adventure,

the candidate who is fueling terrorism instead of fighting it,

the candidate who has turned old allies against us and is making the US the most hated country on the planet,

finally the candidate who is keen to send others to die but was unwilling to serve himself in Vietnam,

THAT candidate cannot have my vote.

Truth

Posted by: Truth at May 3, 2004 07:08 AM

and truth stutters

x Are you awake? Can you cut & paste?

Google up ‘john kerry’ + ‘vvaw’ + ‘assassinations’.

I’d give a link here, but there are so damned many of them I wouldn’t know which to pick.

As you usually do when you get your tongue stuck where it doesn’t belong, I’m sure you’ll neglect to respond on this thread.

x. It’s no wonder I haven’t heard from your military ‘buddies’! You been hangin’ out with them in that BlindAlley! BTW - I call BS and up you your bullshit. On your military buddies and on your doubting what I said about your friend Senator Kerry.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at May 3, 2004 07:51 AM

truth Nice go on the movie producer critique. You sound to me like you could use some PeptoBismal. Leastwise, we know what you don’t stand for.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at May 3, 2004 07:54 AM

*pokes Truth for deletion by reason of trolling (not to mention anti-Catholic bigotry) …*

And x? The New York Sun brought it up and ran with it for a few days …

As for my personal take - even as a non-Catholic, I side wholeheartedly with the “Kerry isn’t Catholic” crowd and have posted about it …

Posted by: Edward Yee at May 3, 2004 07:54 AM

Keep talking “truth”, I’m sure you’ll win over lots of voters with stunning intelectual converstations like that. Of course, had you said the same thing about blacks, latinos, jews or muslims you would be branded a bigot and a racist, but it’s always open season on the Catholics.

Your misguided views on the war on terrorism and open hostility to Bush typify the pathetic depths that your party has sunk too.

I’m not trying to minimize the loss of our service men, but in war 730 men is unbelieveably low. Most wars and occupations in the past have seen 10 to 100 times more casualties. More people have been murdered in Detroit and Chicago this year then killed in Iraq, where is your anger at Kwame Kilpatric?

What would you do to stop muslim hatred? The only viable solution that I’ve seen so far is to confront it. This means short term hatred, but long term peace, as opposed to withdrawing to our borders and having a short amout of peace and a longer era of conflict.

Muslims respect strength. Do you think they would be so hot to blow us up if we nuked a city each time they did? Well, since you obviously are against such extreme measures we have to go the harder route of eliminating the roots of terrorism, which stem from the oppressive regimes of the middle east. Bush has shown the willingness to risk his own job to do so, something Kerry cannot claim.

Oh, the World hated us before Bush was elected, why do you think terrorists attacked us? To claim that suddenly the US went from hero to zero is foolish. Our weakness in Vietnam, our wealth, our military power all make us an easy scapegoat for every dictator and conspiracy theorist.

Posted by: Brian at May 3, 2004 07:57 AM

As a Catholic, I’m suspicious whenever someone goes after the “Catholic” vote. Usually, it involves saying you’re pro-life on abortion, while violating everything else our faith professes. There’s more to our faith than that.

Posted by: Mona B. at May 3, 2004 08:44 AM

Ugh. I call foul. Kerry didn’t “conspire” - he was at a meeting of veteran anti-war activists where some idiot was going on about killing senators. This meeting was, in fact, one in which Kerry apparently resigned from that organization. I haven’t the slightest use for Kerry as a person or a politician or a candidate, but that particular characterization is a calumny. He’s done other dubious things, but conspiracy to commit assassination isn’t one of them.

I can’t believe I had to write a sentence like that about a major national candidate…

Posted by: Mitch H. at May 3, 2004 09:51 AM

Mitch,

Considering the fact that Kerry accepts endorsements from anti-American scum like ANSWER and moveon and associates with Hanoi Jane and Screaming Howard, all of his actions require a close look.

Posted by: leaddog2 at May 3, 2004 11:55 AM

Then in 1988, when we won with the Bush senior campaign and carried the highest total of evangelical votes ever in American history, we lost as we always do — the Republicans — we lost the Jewish vote and the Hispanic vote and all those votes. We lost the Catholic vote. We were the first modern presidency to win an election and it was a landslide and not win the Catholic vote. It was barely, but we lost the Catholic vote.

How did we do it? We carried 82 percent or 83 percent of the evangelical vote. I remember when it was all over— this was one of the reasons I got a job in the White House — but I remember when it was all over, there was great shock from me and others saying, “Whoa, this is unhealthy.” We immediately began going after the Catholic vote.

While at the same time, we were frightened by the fact that we lost all these votes and still won the White House. The message did come home. My God, you can win the White House with nothing but evangelicals if you can get enough of them, if you get them all, and they’re a huge number. …

The Jesus Factor

The Christian Right and Theocracy

The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party

“The Republican Party of Texas affirms that the United States is a Christian nation.”

Texas Republican Party Platform, 2002

Posted by: NeoChristian at May 3, 2004 12:07 PM

i read that story; what an utter stretch of bullshit.

Posted by: x at May 3, 2004 05:30 PM

x I haven’t even read it, and I call BullShit on your BullShit. If you have a problem with something that is cited here, I suggest you back it up. Otherwise, shut up.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at May 4, 2004 01:03 PM

Here’s a problem, Mitch:

Kerry, we now know, attended a meeting of the VVAW, where the assassination of elected officials was discussed.

What was Kerry’s response? Did he tell the FBI? The Congress? Any of the intended victims?

No, he did none of those things. I have never heard or read any account, where Kerry warned the authorities or the intended victims, of the plot to commit murder.

This is the critical question, bearing on Kerry’s character:

If John Kerry was opposed to the murder of elected officials, why didn’t he tell the authorities when he found out about it?

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