Helen Thomas was berating Bush today for his 5.6% unemployment rate. What?! 5.6% used to be incredibly low. Maybe times have changed. Oh, that’s right, Administrations have changed…

Posted by: sneet at March 16, 2004 11:20 AM

5.6% doesn’t tell the whole story does it?

Posted by: Anthony at March 16, 2004 01:01 PM

5.6% unemployment is typically an indicator of inflation.. ie.. a heating up economy.

Posted by: Captain Scarlet at March 16, 2004 01:05 PM

The Times’ article correctly states that the 46% Bush 43% Kerry spread is within the poll’s margin of error. However the Times doesn’t point out that this is a reversal of the polls February results which found Kerry ahead 47% - 46%.

Without looking up this other poll, I think it safe to say it also fell within the poll’s margin of error. So nothing has changed. Unless a poll shows a single candidate leading by a significant amount (i.e., any amount larger than the margin of error), the poll can only tell you that it is a close race.

The small changes between the two polls is statistically insignificant. It might show a change in direction or it might just be due to the small sample size. (The larger the sample size, the smaller the error range).

Posted by: Admiral Quixote at March 16, 2004 01:16 PM

Captain Scarlet - “A man whom fate has rendered invunerable!”

Curse you Captain, now your theme song is stuck in our superior minds!

Posted by: Mysterions at March 16, 2004 01:33 PM

From the Associated Press and MSNBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4534763/

I doubt that Democrats will cheer the
many signs of growing economic strength
over the next 8 months or so. They know
that their many lies will now begin catch
up to them.

Their lying and whining on the economy
has been so pathetic. It will now bite
them in the rear.

Many experts say the high producivity
of the economy has surpassed all historical
records. The link above talks about strong
job growth in the next quarter. Since this
is from the “Lefty press” Democrats cannot
call them liars. Such a come-uppance for
Democrats is and will be well deserved!

Posted by: leaddog2 at March 16, 2004 03:19 PM

Perhaps most significant for Mr. Bush, the number of Americans who think that the nation is heading in the wrong direction is now 54 percent, as high as it has been in his presidency.

[. . .]
******************************************
Business Week had a poll not long ago with an interesting twist. Among “Security Moms” ( used to be Soccer Moms) Bush had and approval rating of only 44% BUT 64% were planning to vote for him.

An approval rating of Bush alone without factoring the approval rating of those running against him, can be misleading

Posted by: Dan Kauffman at March 16, 2004 03:36 PM

Bush’s straight arrow image only exists in his own mind, Laura’s and those of avowed Kerry-haters on CP.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bowel and Rice are liars. (link has link to pdf)
If Bush persists in sticking with this rap on Kerry, it’ll keep it in place for Bush. This is a loser for the Prevaricator in Chief. Nothing else to talk about I guess.

Posted by: buttonpusher at March 16, 2004 03:53 PM

buttons Mind if I shorten it? I hope not. Name the Kerry-Haters. Don’t put me on the list.

I just call him on his crap, just as I do all Politicians.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 16, 2004 04:14 PM

Thank God. The people are finally starting to see through Kerrys mininformation, and realizing what he is: a radical leftist.

Posted by: Charles at March 16, 2004 04:29 PM

This poll was taken from last Wed-Sun. I am curious to see whether the Spanish elections have changed the polling in the US- will the US be more hawkish, dove-ish, or unchanged?

Posted by: jennetic at March 16, 2004 04:49 PM

Cap’nDoc

When I see comments from you on Bush, I’ll believe you. Until then, BS detector pegged.

leaddog2
Where are the jobs? As long as you are keeping track of lies about economics, how about including the President’s budget? How about including keeping the actuary quiet on the real cost of the Medicare plan?

Come to think of it…I’ve heard whining and crying. But what lies are you referring to? Are you suggesting that someone who doesn’t buy the Bush patter about the economy is lying? Are you suggesting that an economist with a different opinion is lying. Where did a Democrat have known facts and purposely stated them incorrectly…in other words, they lied?

It sounds like you have some preconceived notions about RepVsDem and you just trot them out without considering whether or not they might be true. Do you have trouble distinguishing truth from falsehood?

Posted by: allthosebuttons at March 16, 2004 07:03 PM

He has trouble figuring out word wrap. Every day is a fresh journey through tiny struggles.

Posted by: I'm a banana at March 16, 2004 07:12 PM

Yeah, and he’s clueless that he’s being insulted.

Just like a duck, wakes up in a new world every day. Somehow it seemed to fit too.

Posted by: buttonbutton at March 16, 2004 07:28 PM

buttons Wanna discuss Amnesty? :o)

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 16, 2004 07:37 PM

“his ability to create jobs” I don’t know that a US president is that powerful that he actually has the ability to create jobs, other than those for his cronies and such. I might be wrong, but I thought its the people, the entrepreneurs, the big evil corporations who ‘create’ jobs.

Posted by: ic at March 16, 2004 08:05 PM

About France our dear President said: “No wonder the French economy is doing so badly the French language does not have a word for entrepreneur.”

And he went to Yale allegedly. Perhaps he reported only 20 days per year. That could explain a lot actually.

AWAKE

Posted by: AWAKE at March 16, 2004 09:23 PM

Sure Cap’n Doc what do you want to be absolved of? Are you thinking of saying something snippy about Bush? I bet you could growl some good stuff his way. Calling Bush on something doesn’t automatically throw your support to Kerry. I know that Johnny is not your fave. In fact, I’d feel a whole lot better if some of the Loyalists would toss a turd his way now and then. It would make them more believable.

Go for it! You’re already forgiven.

Posted by: buttonpusher at March 16, 2004 09:24 PM

The rest of the time he was probably too pissed to attend.

AWAKE

Posted by: AWAKE at March 16, 2004 09:26 PM

Looks like Awake is asleep at the switch…

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.htm

Posted by: eric at March 16, 2004 09:54 PM

I’m now starting to get phone calls and e-mails from companies I sent out resumes to prior to the booming of this economy.

hmm?

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at March 17, 2004 12:05 AM

LMAO
I must say, this is indeed the weakest thread of democrat commentary yet!

In regards to 5.6% UI,
Clinton only dreamed of such numbers!

Plus, what you dems don’t take into account, is that those are stable job #’s, unlike the make work, temoprary #’s of the Clinton era.
And lets also explain, that once the lefty anti- everything BS is put to rest, development of national energy programs will advance, making more jobs, construction, industial suport, steel etc. and all that will be halted if you change a government. that means another 4 years of crap, and decline, not to mention the war stuff, and the decline of trade abroad caused by kerry border closers, high taxes, etc.
Run.. rabbit run..
Kerry is Mr. pickle, and damn it, we know he wants Mrs. Pickle to rule the pickle factory, despite the fact that her industry has 57 company’s operating outside of the USA, using slave labor, and of teh 27 here, all use immigrant slave mexican labor as well.

This is what bothers me, is why democrats even support kerry, and his mistress, considering she is everything democrat lefties hate.

I guess ‘anything but Bush” tells us just how much democrats can be trusted.

Posted by: Fat Guy at March 17, 2004 02:21 AM

Yes, as each month brought a quarter of a million jobs, Clinton must’ve yearned for the worst employment record since the Great Depression. Just think of the dalliance opportunities it would have allowed him if every pundit were preoccupied with a stagnant jobmarket. Hoist by his own tumescent petard.

Posted by: I'm a banana at March 17, 2004 04:29 AM

You are 100% right Fat Guy, anything but little Bush.
People don’t vote politicians in, they vote them out.
Kerry won’t be voted in, it is Bush who will be voted out.
That is why no amount of cheap mud thrown at Kerry or his wife will stick.

People are ripe for change.
They are fed up with the incompetence and lies of this administration.

AWAKE

Posted by: AWAKE at March 17, 2004 04:36 AM

eric,
AWAKE needs to lie, because the left has no issues to run on. Watch out or they will bite our kneecaps off.

Posted by: jones at March 17, 2004 06:39 AM

Well Jones here is one issue,
How the world sees the US since the Iraqi invasion?
Have a look at the international poll in the Washington post of today.
Just one word to describe it disastrous.

Then try to explain to me how creating more resentment and hatred of the US makes us more secure.

Another issue Jones is how we are conducting the war in Irak. Read the article in the London Times of today about a Staff Sergeant named Camilo Mejia who refuses to go back to Iraq because I quote:
“This war is evil. I did not sign up for the military to go halfway around the world to be an instrument of oppression.”
or again I still quote from the guy: “This is an oil-driven war and I don’t think any soldier signs up to fight for oil.”

Would you also accuse him of lying or would you have a slightly more intelligent argumentation to offer?

AWAKE

AWAKE

Posted by: AWAKE at March 17, 2004 06:58 AM

AWAKE You are definitely NOT. I believe you picked the wrong thread to drop that last little turd on, but hell, I’ll comment on your absurdity! Lots of soldiers sign up for service (none have been drafted, BTW) for lots of reasons. Who’s to say some didn’t sign up for OIL? We had one particular soldier that killed a number of his brothers just before they moved into Iraq. Why did he join? For OIL? Do you have a slightly more intelligent argument than that, or did you save your worst for last?

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 17, 2004 07:34 AM

Wake up Awake!!

Kerry’s wife is a nothing. She’s a heiress of a fortune made by someone else. she’s dumb as a brick, but yet, because she has money the dems somehow put her on a pedestal. thats called worship.
Kerry is a user, he uses her money, which she also gives to “charity” which uses it for political purposes.
That makes her a criminal as well as stupid.

Mud slinging. That is something the democrats have been doing for the last 4 years, since Bush won the election.
Now, it’s mud slinging when the democrat is exposed for the lying bastard he is?
Democrats get exposed for 4 years of personal attacks and lies, and it’s called “mud slinging?”
grow up you panty- waist.
what a bunch of cry baby shit that is.
The fact is and the pols do not support your claim that “peaople want a change” I suggest you at least look at the liberal polls, which despite all attempts, can’t swing them in their favor.
Imagine what they would be saying (the polls) if the truth was allowed to be told!!
After Nov. there will be NO DEMOCRATS! HURRAY!!!

Posted by: Fat Guy at March 17, 2004 08:05 AM

But, there will be 4 more years of whining unfortunately

Posted by: Fat Guy at March 17, 2004 08:07 AM

Is that so Fat Guy,
Don’t you remember what was thrown at President Clinton by the neocons when he was in power?Have you got such a short memory?

What comes round goes round baby.

The neocons managed to steal one election but this time we know what to expect and little Bush will go the same way as daddy Bush, back to his ranch in Texas.

And the US will implement effective policies both domestically to revive the economy and cut the deficit (like Clinton had done) and internationaly to fight the bastards of Al Qaeda instead of fighting for oil in Iraq.

Four more years of the same failed policies would be a disaster for the US and for the world.

AWAKE

Posted by: AWAKE at March 17, 2004 09:15 AM

Wanna have some Cheese with your Whine, AWAKE? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 17, 2004 11:15 AM

Posted by AWAKE at March 17, 2004 06:58 AM
Another issue Jones is how we are conducting the war in Irak. Read the article in the London Times of today about a Staff Sergeant named Camilo Mejia who refuses to go back to Iraq because I quote:
“This war is evil. I did not sign up for the military to go halfway around the world to be an instrument of oppression.”
or again I still quote from the guy: “This is an oil-driven war and I don’t think any soldier signs up to fight for oil.”

Would you also accuse him of lying or would you have a slightly more intelligent argumentation to offer?

ROFLMFAO!

So we have ANOTHER parrot in the room! MAN, good thing none of these ignorant sheep AREN‘T standup commedians (I DOUBT that they are even stand up CITIZENS!)…they have NONE of their own material!

FIRST & FOREMOST, had you cared to do any research…MR. Mejia’s PARENTS are WELL KNOWN PEACE ACTIVISTS!!! HAVE BEEN for a LONG TIME!

As for the tired, TIRED BULL$HIT rhetoric of “it’s all about the oil”…Hmmm, there may be SOME semblance of truth THERE:

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/20887.htm

Go back to sleep SHEEP.

Posted by: American_Defender at March 17, 2004 11:38 AM

Posted by AWAKE at March 17, 2004 09:15 AM
Don’t you remember what was thrown at President Clinton by the neocons when he was in power?Have you got such a short memory?
What comes round goes round baby.
The neocons managed to steal one election but this time we know what to expect and little Bush will go the same way as daddy Bush, back to his ranch in Texas.
And the US will implement effective policies both domestically to revive the economy and cut the deficit (like Clinton had done) and internationaly to fight the bastards of Al Qaeda instead of fighting for oil in Iraq.
Four more years of the same failed policies would be a disaster for the US and for the world.
AWAKE

Wow…what insight.

FIRST, had Billary not been ‘tossing’ so much on his OWN (albeit on Monica’s blue dress!), there wouldn’t have BEEN anything TO throw at him…save the REAL UNILATERAL military action(s)!!!

Second MORON, sleeping through your American History AND Government classes did not serve you to well…see “ELECTORIAL COLLEGE”.

FINALLY, you mean “effective policies” like THESE…:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/

The tape proves the Clinton administration was aggressively tracking al-Qaida a year before 9/11. But that also raises one enormous question: If the U.S. government had bin Laden and the camps in its sights in real time, why was no action taken against them?
“We were not prepared to take the military action necessary,” said retired Gen. Wayne Downing, who ran counter-terror efforts for the current Bush administration and is now an NBC analyst.
“We should have had strike forces prepared to go in and react to this intelligence, certainly cruise missiles — either air- or sea-launched — very, very accurate, could have gone in and hit those targets,” Downing added.
Gary Schroen, a former CIA station chief in Pakistan, says the White House required the CIA to attempt to capture bin Laden alive, rather than kill him.
What impact did the wording of the orders have on the CIA’s ability to get bin Laden? “It reduced the odds from, say, a 50 percent chance down to, say, 25 percent chance that we were going to be able to get him,” said Schroen.
A Democratic member of the 9/11 commission says there was a larger issue: The Clinton administration treated bin Laden as a law enforcement problem.

Posted by: American_Defender at March 17, 2004 11:47 AM

BTW- I ALMOST forgot your DNC BS rhetoric about “reviving the economy”! DESPITE all of the evidence, which CLEARLY shows that it IS reviving…the laughable left STILL keeps harping! Well, maybe THIS will help…it’s pretty simplistic, but THEN AGAIN so are YOU!

Tax Cuts - A Simple Lesson In Economics

This is how the cookie crumbles. Please read it carefully.
Let’s put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something ike this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh $7.
The eighth $12.
The ninth $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do.
The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite
happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20.”

So, now dinner for the ten only cost $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So, the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six, the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share’?
The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they
subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being ‘PAID’ to eat their meal.

So, the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

“I only got a dollar out of the $20,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man “but he got $1.
“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than me!”
“That’s true!!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back
when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”
“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get
anything at all. The system exploits the poor!”
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore. There are lots of good restaurants in Europe and the Caribbean.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Distinguished Professor of Economics
536 Brooks Hall
University of Georgia

Posted by: American_Defender at March 17, 2004 11:53 AM

AmericanDefender
Mr. CapsLock. If what you spew is what you think you’re defending, this country is in deep trouble.

In your Electoral (note correct spelling, Mr. Pedant or is it, Mr. Pederast? I forget the right word.) College screech, you don’t seem to mention the Supreme Court partisan intervention claiming that one of the parties—the current Prevaricator-in-Chief—would be injured. You don’t seem to mention the scam that Harris and Boy Jeb did in taking likely Democrats off the FA voting records. In fact, you don’t mention anything except a RupertRag article shifting the attention to those bad French people (remember the Statue of Liberty, Lafayette? Or do you just remember the ludicrous Congress debate about Freedom Fries?) Do you seriously think that we would be doing anything in the MiddleEast if it weren’t for oil? You’re daft.

Keep screaming about Clinton (you may not know this, he’s not the President, he’s not running for President, he’s just acting Presidential by being at Ground Zero when Boy George was flying around grabbing his wienie to keep from pissing his pants!). It only demonstrates your lack of anything positive to say about George and his husband Rove. Why didn’t George do something about the Cole 10/12/00? Clinton graciously said that he didn’t think it proper to commit the country with a new CinC on the way. George did nothing! Nothing!

Here’s something else for you to think about—presuming you do that instead of repeating Rush or Bush—what do “animals-in-a-human-body” like Moussaoui fear more than anything? Being taken alive, being gooned in public, going to prison, becoming some BigBoy’s wife. Killing them is what they want. Bringing OBL to trial—humiliating him in the eyes of the world and his admirers—would do more to deter the savages than bombing the shit out of Afghan-Pak-istan with the hope that we kill him.

Please change your NIC. You ain’t defending America. Your posts demonstrate a level of malevolence and ignorance that make me ashamed to say that I’m your countryman.

Posted by: buttonpusher at March 17, 2004 12:22 PM

This country is so evenly divided. The Bush haters are more motivated than the Bush supporters. Those Gore voters are very angry. Bush can win if Nader gets more support, but Nader is self-limiting. Just like Ross Perot in ‘92 did well and threw the election to Clinton, Perot did poorly in ‘96 and not appreciably throw the election. Clinton won on his own in ‘96 Electronic voting with no possibility of a recount is like the ‘60 Cooke County fiasco where dead people voted for JFK in alphabetical order. That was before the days of 24 / 7 CNN. Who can steal the most votes, Rep. or Dem?

Posted by: Richard Cronshey at March 17, 2004 12:30 PM

For: buttonbutton, allthosebuttons, I’m a Banana
(or was it idiot) and awake, etc. I use short sentences
by choice.

Every competent economist in the U.S. has mentioned
the growth in U.S. productivity. Your lack of understanding
of that only shows your own ignorance.

I happen to be a Business owner who employs
a lot of people.

I TOTALLY DESPISE the Demo Leaches that
cannot hold a job or build a business. That is
the majority who slurp up our money in Congress.

There are some who are Republicans, but the
majority are Democrats. I also TOTALLY DESPISE
those who “whine and moan about their victimhood”
because they are too lazy to work. Again, most of
those VOTE Democratic (if they vote).

That is the scum that John Kerry and his kind
pander to (or are themselves).

They are NOT worthy of anything but TOTAL
CONTEMPT if they will not attempt to help
themselves.

Those people “who try” to improve themselves
deserve ALL the HELP we can give them with
PRIVATE CHARITY, NOT TAX DOLLARS that
Democrats most often use to Buy Votes.

For your Information, I once was a Conservative
Democrat and a State and National Democratic
Convention delegate. I know what kind of people
are pandered to by Democrats. I know from personal
observation how the Democrats used to vote graveyards
in Texas. My testimony helped send several
of the most blatant law violators to prison.

Now, since I am MUCH WISER economically, I am
a Republican. They are the only ones who really
care about the American Dream and preserving our
Freedom.

Posted by: leaddog2 at March 17, 2004 12:38 PM

buttons You lost me. You are nothin’ if not a freakin’ President hating troll. You will now be ignored.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 17, 2004 12:54 PM

BULLSHITPUSHER,

FYI…WHEN CAPS LOCK IS ON, EVERY SINGLE LETTER/WORD IS CAPITALIZED. When someone wants to EMPHASIZE something in this medium, it is MUCH EASIER to do so using CAPS! APARENTLY, you are TOO STUPID to understand this.

As far as my NIC, it will stand…for YOU are a “COUNTRYMAN” by geographical location ONLY! YOU, AND your ILK are an embarrassment to YOURSELVES...and YES, my ‘malevolence’ is in DIRECT correlation to IDIOTS like yourself who are RESPONSIBLE for the “deep trouble” that President Bush is rectifying!!

BTW- Billary would not know how to ACT ‘Presidential’ if HILLARY shoved it up his A$$ along with a bust of George Washington (however he just might LIKE that!)!

Posted by: American_Defender at March 17, 2004 01:35 PM

Cap’nDoc
Whatever…you weren’t ignoring me before? Yes, you may have read, but not much got through. I don’t hate the President; I think that he’s irresponsible and self-righteous. I think that he ought to find another toy to play with—a toy that can’t do so much damage when it’s operated by an incompetent liar.

leaddog2
The majority of money appropriated by Congress doesn’t go to leaches. More than half goes for Defense, Social Security, Education, Veterans Assistance and Interest. Which category do you define as “leach”? Careful—Cap’n Doc (honored veteran) just might read this. Other than that, I’m pretty much with you. LBJ’s bio by Caro lays out some pretty dirty Texas politics.

Opinion_Defender
Oh, you’re wrong—I’m full of understanding. You must have come across that in your “I Hate Liberals” course by Rush Limbaugh. Please be more specific about what trouble I caused that Bush is rectifying? (With Bush and Rove, it should be called rectufinding.) No, no, no. Bush caused his problems himself. Take someone who has been handed everything on a silver platter. Give them something like Harken and crony contracts, or the Rangers where all you gotta do is throw out the first pitch. Lie and cheat them into office in Texas and then the White House. And leave someone else to clean up the mess. There you’ve got the Bush bio. It’s a recipe for disaster for the-most-powerful-job-in-the-world that requires responsibility and accountability rather than Daddy’s handouts and bailouts.

BTW—that’s tasteful. Shows some real simian or reptilian intellect and class.

Posted by: buttonbutton at March 17, 2004 02:34 PM

minibuttons Your continual Bush-bashing will get you nowhere. Would you care to delve into the Bio of Senator Kerry? Or would you just suggest everyone ignore his ‘weak side’? How about the permanent stain he left on the fabric of US Servicemen and women? Do you suppose that the good Senator would hang an NVA flag in the Oval Office? How about an upside down American Flag, the Universal sign of Distress? How about a picture of Chairman Mao? How about those Medals which he disdains so much? You know? The ones he threw over the fence, but weren’t really his? How about the shredded documents (including originals) of CIA files on POW-MIAs? How about the lying UNDER OATH about the regular commitment of atrocities by US troops in VN? Should I go on? Maybe a little background on where his money comes from? Great material for President, there… You see buttons, your illustrious candidate has done nothing BUT attack the President for how many months now? But he himself will tell you, he voted for entrusting the President with war powers, but never thought he’d use them. So, now he can say he was misled. I don’t think he’s a traitor as some might suggest, but what I do believe is that he has a personal agenda. He will do anything and say anything (even if it is a lie) to further his agenda. He ain’t Presidential material. And your little rant comes off as nothing more than more liberal Bush-bashing.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 17, 2004 03:00 PM

Buttons,

Do you even ‘support’ John Kerry? It’s hard to tell.

I know you may ‘hate’ Bush but ‘hating’ Bush does not necessarily mean you ‘support’ John Kerry.

Please enlighten us of what issues and decision making of John Kerry’s entire career as a Senator as made you support him?

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at March 17, 2004 03:09 PM

Cap’n Doc

“get you nowhere.” Agree.
“delve into…” No.
“ignore his weak side” No. I think that people should look at all these things and make up their minds who they think is best to lead. And then in November, we vote.
“NVA flag” doctored image. From a disgruntled jerk.
“medals” he was asked to do that. I still don’t understand why you are so down on Kerry and not the lying SOBs who got us into a scummy, scammy war. I’ve read your posts about this. I just don’t understand.
“lying under oath” Don’t agree. There is nothing in his Senate testimony that can construed this way. He said he heard about the atrocities; are you saying he didn’t? Or are you saying that the people who said it are lying?

“voted for entrusting, but never thought he’d use them” Not true. Bush said that he would try to find some other means first. He lied. To Congress.

“personal agenda” goes with the human being territory. It’s a rare person who doesn’t. And even when they say they don’t (like an altruist), they do anyway (goody-two-shoes, better than other people OR save-the-dolphins, even though I can’t even keep my bathtub clean).

“ain’t Presidential material” Cap’n Doc. You know this is laughable. If Bush is, anybody is. Do you remember when you were little and your mother said that you should work hard. “You never know, you could grow up to be President. Anybody can be President.” Bush proved it.

“nothing more than liberal Bush-bashing” whatever. I’m not responsible for your interpretations. Pointing out a critical flaw in someone’s budgets assertions, answering someone’s foul insults are not “liberal Bush-bashing”. It’s back in your face from someone who’s not going to be bullied. Isn’t that the program these days?

The idea is kind of funny. People type with CapsLock on and they think they’re really kicking someone’s ass. That must be how Bush thinks about OBL. I‘m going to call that SOB and I’m going to push the buttons on my phone real hard!

Posted by: buttonseverywhere at March 17, 2004 03:31 PM

very good, Jeff.

That’s because I haven’t written that I support Kerry. But not so good assuming I hate Bush. I’ve heard he’s a great guy. I think he sucks as a President. But I don’t hate him. If I recall correctly, I’ve mentioned that before in response to your error.

Why am I considering supporting Kerry?
Here’s the brief answer:
-I agree (and agreed at the time) with his actions about Vietnam. Lying politicians got us into the war. Soldiers paid the price. Funny how much that sounds like Iraq.
-Welfare reform
-Campaign finance reform
-Fought organized crime
-Support for police and fire protection
-Plays the guitar (how well I don’t know; my favorite pasttime too)
-Willing to take on battles that no other pol will touch

Enough to keep me interested

Posted by: one less button at March 17, 2004 03:48 PM

buttons I know all about the Doctored image. I do not refer to it, but rather that he marched behind the NVA flag in more than one parade, and was a leader of the VVAW group who also held rallies in front of pictures of Mao. Do you deny that he used a parody of the Iwo Jima flag-raising as a bookjacket cover photo? Would you jump over a cliff if someone asked you to do that? HE LIED. Under oath, as to his knowledge of atrocities that were committed REGULARLY by US troops. Even friends and acquaintances would admit later that ‘HE MADE THEM UP’ to enhance his story, and to promote his agenda. Are you going to ignore the shredded documents? Of course you will, for you have already done it.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 17, 2004 05:18 PM

I define LEACHES as career politicians of both
parties who make sure that NONE of the laws
they pass apply to them!

For most of the last 70 years, the Majority and
House and Senate control was in the hands of
Democrats to the long-term devastation of
our country.

The Republicans are now copying the G_d
dammed Democratic tricks.

I hope that we can eventually pass a needed
Constitutional amendment forcing ALL
Congresspeople to leave after 10 years and
Senators after 12.

Posted by: leaddog2 at March 17, 2004 05:20 PM

Cap’n Doc
I know that you’ve posted before on Kerry’s MIA/POW shredding. And I looked at the links you provided back then. At the time, I couldn’t see the “smoking gun” that you see. So with your post this p.m., I went looking again. I can find all sorts of RightWingConspiracy sounding sites. But you had posted one that had some mainstream cred.

Today I came across another bit of testimony from Benge, the source of the shredding story. There is something about this that has my BS detector clicking rapidly. Apparently, the shredding was reported to the Ethics Committee and was condoned by Committee Counsel. Nothing came of it. Whether it was buried or bogus, this isn’t going anywhere. According to Benge, the problem was not enough money. Don’t you think that Rove would go after this if credible? He’s got a high Visa credit limit. Maybe that’s a mine that Kerry will encounter later this year. I’m not giving it a lot of credibility.

It doesn’t work to put words in my mouth or to accuse me of behavior as an insult. When it’s demonstrated to be false, it makes you look like a reality twister. Probably not what you intended.

The upside-down flag image tie-in with Iwo Jima and “distress” could have been done with more taste. But I don’t find it extremely offensive. I find the lying politician behavior offensive, bordering on criminal. When you start with finding Kerry offensive, then just about anything will prove it to you.

I don’t buy your version or conclusion about Kerry’s testimony. Haven’t seen friends and acquaintances disavowing his testimony. My bias is that I also thought the VN war was onerous, so his testimony got a big “Amen” from me. I lost 3 good friends there. I thought that the various presidents and senior officers were scoundrels.

leaddog2
Finally something I agree with you on! The only small whine I’ve got is that you blame the 70 years of one party. Both are complicit. And they have been for years. Over 70 years ago, but one of the classic scandals was Harding/Fall/Navy fuel/TeapotDome Scandal (Republicans).

If you’re young, good-looking, got a good line of patter…start as dogcatcher if you have to. Get in the state legislature. Kiss up to the governor. Go to the U.S. House. Pass Go. Several times. Go to the Senate. Keep being beautiful and saying all the right things. Retire wealthy beyond your dreams. Wait one year. Become a lobbyist. It’s the American Dream.

Don’t think term limits will happen. Too much incentive for voters and incumbents to keep it like it is.

Posted by: buttonpusher at March 17, 2004 06:41 PM

buttonpusher, you are a very sick puppy, but not the least bit surprising someone with your mentality would be a liberal fu-k. I too own several businesses and employ a large # of people. I’m gonna step right up and say you don’t own a business. You wouldn’t be so stupid. Your name is obvious…..you are only here to try to push intelligent people’s hot buttons.

You’re not the first monkey to stop by here trying to dump his garbage in our laps. And you won’t be the last to get chewed up and spit out. You, like your brother Kerry, have no foundation to build on. Your bs collapses under the slightest scrutiny.

You said, “I lost 3 good friends there.”

I’m surprised you’d be associated with 3 “baby killin’, rapin’, head chopin’, mass murderers” like that. (sarcasm) Maybe you could have a word with the (fu-kin’) french about our little ordeal in VN.

I challenge your ‘war hero’. He’s no more war hero material than Jane Fonda. Oh, wait, I get it….he’s a hero for your team, the VC. He’s an insult to the young men that fought the ‘hard’ war in VN. Tell the boys that were REALLY injured how bad Kerry’s scratches were. And that fu-kin’ monkey has the gall to brag about his purple hearts. “A decorated war hero”. Tell your 3 dead buddies that they were baby rapein’, dog fu-kin’, village burnin’, head chopin’, nut fryin’, jaywalkin’, scum…. cause your buddy Kerry said so. Some friend you are to rally for a bastard like him. I’ll bet your 3 buddies would be REAL proud of your liberal anti-American, troop undermining, a—.

What’s the matter ? Nobody buyin’ your sh-t at democratunderground.com ? Or are you just out from under the bridge doin’ a little trollin’ ?

Posted by: Jeff B at March 18, 2004 01:38 AM

You own several businesses, Jeff B? I thought you were a frat boy with a pressing need to crack one off. My mistake.

Posted by: I'm a banana at March 18, 2004 03:34 AM

BananaMan Did you want to discuss RIPTides? Just curious. You sorta slipped there on your skins…

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 18, 2004 07:50 AM

Jeff B,

Where the f_ck are you coming from? You make it sound like you actually fought in Nam, and if you did then you should have some idea about what sometimes went on there. Things were done, nasty shit like it always happens in war. I sure as hell haven’t seen buttonpusher call vets “baby killin’, rapin’, head chopin’, mass murderers.” In fact he’s making coherent points and backs most of it up with data unlike others like Cap’n who backs most of his shit up with rhetoric that he stole from the elephant echo chamber.
The point is why were we there in the first place? Because of lying scum politicians that didn’t have the balls to follow through.

On to the current situation. I haven’t been able to figure out if Bush has sent our boys to die half a world away because he’s a lier helping his buddies or if he’s just plain dumb, or if he actually has a plan like mid east conquest, and if so why doesn’t he just say so. But at least he has balls, or wait, where was he during nam? Ok, where was Kerry? Oh….

I love it when rich republican pussies who have never been bloodied in a bar fight let alone real battle start wars.

Posted by: Montana man at March 18, 2004 01:25 PM

I too own several businesses and employ a large # of people.
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Exactly, why nobody should listen to Jeff B. He is a arrogant prick who thinks his business gives him some kind of mandate on the truth.

Jeff has been like this since I first started, and I dont think he will change. People like him are all over the place though.

Posted by: what2 at March 18, 2004 01:59 PM

what2 Get a grip. You? Make sense? I await someting to come of your empty promises. Flop.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 18, 2004 06:40 PM

Montana man Hang. Chill. I’m older than you are and a VN Vet. I call CRAP on Kerry.

Now. Do you have something coherent to say or are you just looking to throw BuffaloChips over the back fence?

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 19, 2004 10:14 AM

JeffB
Where do you get “sick puppy”? It must be a delight to work as a plumber in your drain cleaning business. I bet your employees are your “our most valuable asset”. So let’s hear about your “several businesses”. One’s NoBrain Drain; what are the others? How about Jeff’s LawnCare and SnowRemoval? A daycare would be about your speed, but for the kids’ sake, I hope you are a silent partner. What else? Amway Distributor? Mr. Fix-it? Well, I guess just about anything that takes a #6 hat and a #44 shirt.

Yeah, I push buttons. Usually with selfrighteous people who puff themselves up thinking that they’re superior and intelligent. I’ve found that more humble people push their own buttons. I take great delight in discovering big shiny chrome buttons with bright flashing signs that say “PUSH ME”. Sometimes when I push them, the person says, “Wow, I didn’t realize I was such a jerk.”, or “That’s something to think about.” Sometimes the button push causes red face, high blood pressure, puffy behavior, loud foul language…shameful, pathetic, mindless behavior. My buttons are pushed constantly; whenever possible, I try to look for the truth in the situation and learn from it. Sad to say, all I learned from your post is how deeply sympathetic I am for loudmouth cretins.

When someone uses foul language insults and NO intelligent content, it says far more about them than it does about the target of such childish behavior. Your insulting post offered NOTHING. You say, “[my] bs collapses under the slightest scrutiny.” And then you offer…NONE. This is very good news. If business owners like you are representative of Bush supporters, then Kerry should waltz into the White House. I bet you think it works with your wife, kids and minimum wage UNDERlings to be a foul-mouthed screamer. It doesn’t. They have contempt for you; they just don’t voice it. Instead they take your money and your lame diatribes, and laugh at you.

We did share Vietnam notoriety with the French and with Churchill, along with puppet, corrupt SouthVietnamese. Churchill and Roosevelt promised them independence/democracy and then went back on their promises. They were fighting for independence; we were fighting for Lyin’ Lyndon. Cap’n Doc has one opinion about Kerry; I have another. He’s not going to be convinced otherwise; neither am I. Your insults to my friends who served and died there require no further comment. You have exposed yourself completely.

IMO, Kerry helped expose the Vietnam lie and the lying politicians behind the war. He appears to be doing something similar with Iraq. He was on the soldiers’ side then, and he’s on the soldiers’ side now. In striking contrast to the current WH squatter.

I’ve never heard of democratunderground.com. I’ll go over and check it out. Thanks for the tip. As an indication of my good cheer about this lovely “conversation”, here’s one for you in case you’re a homophobic bigot.

Posted by: anotherbutton at March 19, 2004 12:10 PM

Here is one

Bush and the neocons whose philosophy and policies are if anything unilateral and auroritarian pretend to be working in Iraq for the freedom of its people and for democracy.

Paradox

Posted by: Paradox at March 20, 2004 10:59 AM

Awake: I thought Bush got an MBA from Harvard where he not only got high marks but apparently was a very good poker player, poker being quite the thing there.

Posted by: tony at March 22, 2004 08:00 AM

The way I feel about it they all are nothing but liers and all should be put in HARD JAIL. They don’t need to be walking the Street after this cover up that took over 3000 lives in New York not counting the planes and all the damaged. For a cover up to go to War and killed a lot of people after the wrong man and still no weapons founds.That not counting the money that has come out of the taxes payers pockets and all the Soliday that have gotten kileed or hurt destroying Irag and killing their people nothing has been done but destroying USA and IRAG all for the OIL to make we know much richer BUSH/CHENEY and All Their Side KICKS

Posted by: Doris Edds at March 29, 2004 12:27 AM

The way I feel about it they all are nothing but liers and all should be put in HARD JAIL. They don’t need to be walking the Street after this cover up that took over 3000 lives in New York not counting the planes and all the damaged. For a cover up to go to War and killed a lot of people after the wrong man and still no weapons founds.That not counting the money that has come out of the taxes payers pockets and all the Soliday that have gotten kileed or hurt destroying Irag and killing their people nothing has been done but destroying USA and IRAG all for the OIL to make we know much richer BUSH/CHENEY and All Their Side KICKS

Posted by: Doris Edds at March 29, 2004 12:27 AM

The way I feel about it they all are nothing but liers and all should be put in HARD JAIL. They don’t need to be walking the Street after this cover up that took over 3000 lives in New York not counting the planes and all the damaged. For a cover up to go to War and killed a lot of people after the wrong man and still no weapons founds.That not counting the money that has come out of the taxes payers pockets and all the Soliday that have gotten kileed or hurt destroying Irag and killing their people nothing has been done but destroying USA and IRAG all for the OIL to make we know much richer BUSH/CHENEY and All Their Side KICKS

Posted by: Doris Edds at March 29, 2004 12:27 AM

The way I feel about it they all are nothing but liers and all should be put in HARD JAIL. They don’t need to be walking the Street after this cover up that took over 3000 lives in New York not counting the planes and all the damaged. For a cover up to go to War and killed a lot of people after the wrong man and still no weapons founds.That not counting the money that has come out of the taxes payers pockets and all the Soliday that have gotten kileed or hurt destroying Irag and killing their people nothing has been done but destroying USA and IRAG all for the OIL to make we know much richer BUSH/CHENEY and All Their Side KICKS

Posted by: Doris Edds at March 29, 2004 12:27 AM

The way I feel about it they all are nothing but liers and all should be put in HARD JAIL. They don’t need to be walking the Street after this cover up that took over 3000 lives in New York not counting the planes and all the damaged. For a cover up to go to War and killed a lot of people after the wrong man and still no weapons founds.That not counting the money that has come out of the taxes payers pockets and all the Soliday that have gotten kileed or hurt destroying Irag and killing their people nothing has been done but destroying USA and IRAG all for the OIL to make we know much richer BUSH/CHENEY and All Their Side KICKS

Posted by: Doris Edds at March 29, 2004 12:27 AM