This is news? Welcome to Chicago, where the Daleys turn out the living and the dead.

“Vote early and vote often” Al Capone

Posted by: mark buehner at March 12, 2004 12:25 PM

That pales in comparison to the Republicans in Orange County casting more ballots than there were voters.

Posted by: x at March 12, 2004 12:46 PM

No it doesn’t “X”.

I read the article that you so kindly provided a link to, and it’s obvious that what happened there was a screwup caused by the combination of new equipment and the people running the polls being dumbasses.

In other words, while they certainly deserve to be laughed at for their ineptitude, this wasn’t a case of intentional voter fraud.

the Chicago case is exactly the opposite. That was intentional voter fraud meant to affect the outcome of the election.

Really, “X”, stuff like this does NOT help your credibility.

Posted by: eric at March 12, 2004 01:04 PM

Let’s keep things in perspective.

The Republicans wiped 58,000 legitimate voters from their rolls in 2000. The propagator of this fraud, Kathryn Harris, was rewarded by her party, the party of the elephants, with a seat in the House of Representatives.

There are crooks, and then there are real crooks. The Republicans in Florida take the cake.

Posted by: Bob Jacobson at March 12, 2004 01:08 PM

Bob Jacobson.

You are Totally and Completely wrong.

Texas Democrats voted hundreds of
thousands of graveyards for over 50
years until we got rid of most of the
Democratic crooks. This has been
documented many times.

Among many others, Dead People elected
Congressman and Senator, eventually
President Lyndon B. Johnson.

Posted by: leaddog2 at March 12, 2004 01:24 PM

“Kathryn Harris was rewarded with a seat in the House of Representatives”

You mean she got elected by the people in her district?

Posted by: popd at March 12, 2004 01:29 PM

“The propagator of this fraud, Kathryn Harris, was rewarded by her party, the party of the elephants, with a seat in the House of Representatives.”

Wow. Good thing the voters of her district had absolutely no say in the matter!

Posted by: Dave T. at March 12, 2004 01:31 PM

Will the left EVER get their Florida history right? Check out
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA071FFA385C0C718DDDA80994D9404482

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/herald_ballots010226.html

and tell me if you still think Bush “stole” the White House.

Get some grown-up positions on the issues and we’ll talk.

Posted by: Jeff Hendrickson at March 12, 2004 01:48 PM

If I recall correctly, those 58K “legitimate voters” were convicted felons.

Posted by: Phil Winsor at March 12, 2004 01:50 PM

Care to back that up with documentation, or do you just prefer conspiracy theories to documented evidence?

Posted by: TBox at March 12, 2004 02:05 PM

I reviewed the link given by X.

The only mention of the word Republican is as follows:

In Anaheim, one Orange County poll worker said he was so confused by the precinct numbers that he told voters issued the wrong ballot to simply write in candidates’ names if they didn’t see them on the ballot. It was a frustrating experience for Shirley Green, an Anaheim Republican who said a ballot for the wrong precinct appeared on her voting machine.

“I said, ‘There’s no sense in writing in someone in the 67th that’s running on the 68th.’ … I was very upset about it. It’s not fair to the people that are running, and it’s not fair to the people that are voting.”

So it appears as if this Republican woman was disenfranchised.

How can people have intelligent discourse about important political matters, when their points are lies.

Posted by: ramnath at March 12, 2004 02:08 PM

You folks may also recall a judge in Missouri arbitrarilly deciding to hold polling places open late in a heavilly democratic district.

By DAVID SCOTT - The Associated Press- And Kansas City Star Date: 11/09/00 13:00

ST. LOUIS — Republican Sen. Christopher Bond said today that he has asked federal attorneys to investigate allegations of voter fraud in St. Louis city, despite promises from two defeated GOP candidates to not seek a legal challenge to the election.
Bond said he’s asked U.S. Attorney Audrey Fleissig and FBI Director Louis J. Freeh to look into polling in the city — kept open by a court order Tuesday for an extra 40 minutes.
“We want to make sure in the future when Missourians go to the polls, they know their vote is going to be counted and everybody is going to have the same opportunity to exercise their franchise,” Bond said during a news conference at his office in suburban St. Louis. “It’s the most vital part of the Democratic process. And when that is abused and distorted, we all lose.”
Bond is seeking the investigation despite the decision by both Sen. John Ashcroft and Rep. Jim Talent to not contest the election. Ashcroft lost his Senate seat to the late Gov. Mel Carnahan; Talent lost his bid for governor to State Treasurer Bob Holden.
Ashcroft and Talent said that while the allegations of voter fraud in St. Louis are a concern, they do not feel it cost them the election.
“I lost this race because I didn’t get as many votes as my opponent did,” Ashcroft said as he conceded the election to the late Gov. Mel Carnahan.
Ashcroft’s decision Wednesday came just hours after Bond called the effort by Democrats to keep the polls in the city open until 10 p.m. “criminal,” and one of the city’s two election directors said he would ask the U.S. Department of Justice to investigate.
Ironically, Bond appointed judge Evelyn M. Baker, who made the initial ruling to keep the polls open, to the bench as governor in 1983.
About an hour before polls in the city were scheduled to close at 7 p.m. Tuesday, Baker ordered the city’s Board of Elections to keep them open until 10 p.m. The Missouri Court of Appeals quashed the order about 40 minutes later, closing the polls.
It made for a wild hour at the board’s downtown office, where hundreds of voters turned away from the polls because they were not registered or had other problems voting filled the lobby throughout the day. By early evening, the lobby was shoulder to shoulder with people who wanted to vote.
Kevin Coan, the city’s Republican director of elections, said fewer than 500 voters obtained a court order allowing them to register or corrected a registration problem, and then cast a ballot.
Doors at the board’s office were locked at 7 p.m., with those arriving later placed in a line outside. Access to that line was cut off after the appeals court decision was released, and that crowd was dispersed peacefully by police.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a0b4f747a82.htm

Posted by: mark buehner at March 12, 2004 02:12 PM

Jeff:
Will the left EVER get their Florida history right? Check out

Good question. Here Read this. Gore’s Victory

Posted by: Anthony at March 12, 2004 03:57 PM

Reminds me of the old joke:

A little boy is crying in school, and his teacher asks him what’s wrong.

“My daddy didn’t come see me” cries the boy.

The teacher knows the boy’s father died years ago, so she tells him, “I’m sorry. I know your father would love to see you again, but he can’t come here anymore”

“But he did!” protested the boy. “I KNOW he was in town just last week, because he voted for LBJ in the election!”

Posted by: GDubya at March 12, 2004 04:01 PM

Consortium news, now there’s an unbiased source.
Anthony, here’s something we in the ‘real world’ like to call mainstream media sources. Enjoy:

“Florida recount study: Bush still wins “
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html

“Vindicating the Court
The media re-re-recount shows Bush v. Gore was right. ” The Wall Stree Journal
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=95001461

This one’s got to hurt:

“MEDIA RECOUNT: BUSH
WON THE 2000 ELECTION”
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/media_watch/jan-june01/recount_4-3.html

Freaking PBS. Sorry to rain on your little fantasy or whatever.

Posted by: mark buehner at March 12, 2004 04:12 PM

Mark:

Are you the same Mark that shouts expletives when he doesn’t have a good answer? You dimiss the link out of hand? Read the article and tell me where its wrong.

Posted by: Anthony at March 12, 2004 04:23 PM

Shout expletives? Hopefully not, though I do have blackouts from time to time. You let me know if i start shouting expletives.

I read the article. Its flatly contradicted by everything all the major media outlets reported. Now call me crazy, but I think the rational thing to do would be for the guy toting the left wing zealot website to tell us why CNN, the WSJ, and PBS are wrong, instead of vice versa.
The day I site a story from rightwingnews.com ill be happy to do the same.

Posted by: mark buehner at March 12, 2004 05:08 PM

Anthony That isn’t Donnie(Hangin’Holmuth)Chad’s site, is it? Just curious. I thought we were discussing the potential electability of Senator Kerry here…

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 12, 2004 05:22 PM

no, no, no, cap’n. we were talking about how republicans are those most crooked group…

oops. i’m on the wrong thread.

Posted by: wafflestomper at March 12, 2004 07:02 PM

Why anyone argues with the demo-toads, I cannot fathom.

All I have to say for today is Susan Lindauer.

Posted by: anymouse at March 12, 2004 07:26 PM

“Why anyone argues with the demo-toads, I cannot fathom.”

Because it some sick way, even though it’s incredibly easy to win, it’s still fun. It’s great to see them ‘change the subject’ whenever they are proven wrong.

How many times does Bush have to win election 2000 for a Liberal to believe they lossed?

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at March 12, 2004 11:41 PM

Really, “X”, stuff like this does NOT help your credibility.

Uh, just how much credibility can you give a guy named “X”?

I mean, he’s not even Mr X.

Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) at March 13, 2004 12:24 AM

Yeah, and I don’t even think X is capitalized, unless he gets excited! Man, I wanna turn into a Democrat Liberal just before I die, so everyone can say…..”Good, one less Democrat !!”

Susan Lindauer once wanted to marry Carole Mosely Braun, but Newson wasn’t mayor in San Fran at the time, and Daley wasn’t told that there were gay people in Illinois until much later! ha ha
Hey, do you think we can get Kerry to ride the trains in Spain on vacation?

Posted by: DickD at March 13, 2004 01:06 AM

Why do the Democrats need to stoop to Katherine Harris-style roll manipulation? This poll by America’s Largest Pro-Family Online Action Site has some sombre news for Cuddly Mr Rove. Must be the threat of Georgy putting food on them. The families, I mean.

Posted by: I'm a banana at March 13, 2004 02:03 AM

That poll reminds me of one of Saddam Hussein’s polls, where he got 100% of the vote, with 100% turnout. You’ve never heard of “manipulation to the point of absurdity”, have you?

Posted by: Patton at March 13, 2004 02:24 AM

I’m a banana This is WAY easy… You lost your ‘peel.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 13, 2004 09:46 AM

Patton

Me also. I cited as someone published a chunk of free republic goodness, and the thread is after all about distorting the expression of public opinion. Many of the thousands clipped from the rolls in Florida were felons, but many were guilty of having similar names to or even sharing a birthday with felons - an 80% match was all that was required by Harris’ lawyer, even after being warned of the risk of false positives. A list of 8000 names was helpfully provided by Texas (quelle surprise!), but unfortunately many of them had either had their vote privileges restored or merely commited misdemeanours.

More than 170000 names were removed from Florida’s electoral roll prior to 2000. That’s a lotta bad guys.

Posted by: I'm a banana at March 13, 2004 06:25 PM

Speaking of Democrat voter fraud, what ever happened to the democrat in Florida who was caught with a voting machine in his car?

Strange how the Democrats never mention that, and the story forgotten by liberal media.

In all seriousness, you can’t take anyone with a nic “x” seriously. It is evidence of mental instability however. Also, it suggests that the person is of Mid-Eastern heritage. The Islamic faith causes lack of creative thinking.

In fact, I can’t understand why muslims bother to pray 5 times a day, blow up things, etc.
predestination is one of the basic tenants of the koran.
Your life is pre-defined, so no matter what you do, your going to heaven, or going to hell.
So why do anything? just enjoy life to the fullest! Why sit in poverty, misery in a dirt house? Get a job, buy a car, enjoy fine wine, climb a mountain!
your fate is sealed no matter what you do, so you may as well do the better things life has to offer.

Posted by: Fat Guy at March 14, 2004 02:06 PM

You are full of shit.

Posted by: faltquadaguy at March 14, 2004 02:56 PM

I’m with you, Fat Guy. These people, they can think of nothing else but to impose their misguided beliefs on others. Indeed, it dominates their thinking so much they not only approach self-parody, they proposition it and get a room.

Posted by: I'm a banana at March 14, 2004 11:18 PM

faltquadaguy,
Your damn right I’m full of shit,
But not about that story

Posted by: Fat Guy at March 15, 2004 09:24 AM

And if you think I’m full of shit about that muslim crap, you’d be wrong too.
Nothing I slap up here is BS. In fact, the only BS I see around here is shit democrat/ muslims post, in fact, half the democrats are muslims!
Which explains why they are f*cked in the head.

Tabari I:202 “There are people who consider predestination untrue. Then they consider the Qur’an untrue…. People merely carry out what is a foregone conclusion, decided by predestination and written down by the Pen.”

Qur’an 97:1 “We have revealed it (the Qur’an) in the Night of Predestination.”

Bukhari:V6B60N473 “Every created soul has his place written for him either in Paradise or in the Hell Fire. His happy or miserable fate is predetermined for him.”

Bukhari:V6B60N473 “While we were in a funeral procession, Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Every created soul has his place written for him either in Paradise or in Hell. They have a happy or miserable fate predestined for them.’

If anything, the koran is full of shit.
this means muhammad is full of shit when he says kill a jew, go to paradise and bugger a pearly boy.

it’s only a 50/50 chance.

Posted by: Fat Guy at March 15, 2004 09:31 AM

I have a lot of respect for the culture that invented Algebra, knowing nothing about the koran. That an omnipotent being who knows everything could predict the future within the constraints of that beings domain, well thats not surprising. That the authors of the koran or you are omnipotent beings is doubtful. Most mortals have to make do with probabilities as you suggested. Me, I can´t even do that most of the time.

In the ´koreans´ it is said to watch out for fish bones or you will end up like a fat dog and get eaten.

´Course everyone dies sooner or later. So I suppose death is a matter of ´predestination´ although I like to think that LIFE IS THAT WHICH CONTINUES no matter how improbable that continuation might be.

Posted by: faltquadaguy at March 15, 2004 01:27 PM

Concerning the FL. vote, “one should realize that the networks actually are to blame for the 2000 chaos”.
A premature call was made on the behalf of V.P. Gore. That fact can’t be questioned. At precisely 7:58 PM EST, NBC called V.P. Gore the winner of FL. As it did so, the screnn showed Bush with 52%, V.P. Gore 48%. I knew at that very instant, all of America was in for a wild ride. One that could have been avoided . FL. officials had asked that the networks please refrain from calling a winner until the polls closed in central FL. After all there were 187,000 resistered voters and 80% were Republican. Many of which never voted after hearing Gore was the declared winner. At that very moment Gore was indeed the newly elected President.
All 4 networks were wrong in their premature call which set off a legal battle. It was not going to be Daleys machine 40 years later if G.W. had his say. 1960 was a reminder of what would be, if Bush turned the other cheek as Nixon had in 1960.
The AP was the most reliable source that night. The main stream media has yet to release the fact that at 9PM, Bush according to AP tallies was 300,000 votes in the lead.
Of course I’ll be the first to admit that the tally from the Gold Coast being counted would quickly eroded such a lead. The AP proved that to be true. Vote tallies only became trickling in from the CTZ and they were indeed slow in countering the tallies from the Gold Coast.
But it should be known that Democratic professional Bob Beckel later admited that the premature call cost G.W. Bush a net total of 15,000 to 18,000 votes. And Bob knows his science. That is precisely why he has been in the forefront of Democrat politics.
A professional such as Bob has tried to put the 2000 chaos to rest. He can’t. Unprofessionals simply resist his honorable and correct attempt.

Posted by: Eugene at March 15, 2004 06:03 PM

Concerning the FL. vote, “one should realize that the networks actually are to blame for the 2000 chaos”.
A premature call was made on the behalf of V.P. Gore. That fact can’t be questioned. At precisely 7:58 PM EST, NBC called V.P. Gore the winner of FL. As it did so, the screnn showed Bush with 52%, V.P. Gore 48%. I knew at that very instant, all of America was in for a wild ride. One that could have been avoided . FL. officials had asked that the networks please refrain from calling a winner until the polls closed in central FL. After all there were 187,000 resistered voters and 80% were Republican. Many of which never voted after hearing Gore was the declared winner. At that very moment Gore was indeed the newly elected President.
All 4 networks were wrong in their premature call which set off a legal battle. It was not going to be Daleys machine 40 years later if G.W. had his say. 1960 was a reminder of what would be, if Bush turned the other cheek as Nixon had in 1960.
The AP was the most reliable source that night. The main stream media has yet to release the fact that at 9PM, Bush according to AP tallies was 300,000 votes in the lead.
Of course I’ll be the first to admit that the tally from the Gold Coast being counted would quickly eroded such a lead. The AP proved that to be true. Vote tallies only became trickling in from the CTZ and they were indeed slow in countering the tallies from the Gold Coast.
But it should be known that Democratic professional Bob Beckel later admited that the premature call cost G.W. Bush a net total of 15,000 to 18,000 votes. And Bob knows his science. That is precisely why he has been in the forefront of Democrat politics.
A professional such as Bob has tried to put the 2000 chaos to rest. He can’t. Unprofessionals simply resist his honorable and correct attempt.

Posted by: Eugene at March 15, 2004 06:03 PM

Concerning the FL. vote, “one should realize that the networks actually are to blame for the 2000 chaos”.
A premature call was made on the behalf of V.P. Gore. That fact can’t be questioned. At precisely 7:58 PM EST, NBC called V.P. Gore the winner of FL. As it did so, the screnn showed Bush with 52%, V.P. Gore 48%. I knew at that very instant, all of America was in for a wild ride. One that could have been avoided . FL. officials had asked that the networks please refrain from calling a winner until the polls closed in central FL. After all there were 187,000 resistered voters and 80% were Republican. Many of which never voted after hearing Gore was the declared winner. At that very moment Gore was indeed the newly elected President.
All 4 networks were wrong in their premature call which set off a legal battle. It was not going to be Daleys machine 40 years later if G.W. had his say. 1960 was a reminder of what would be, if Bush turned the other cheek as Nixon had in 1960.
The AP was the most reliable source that night. The main stream media has yet to release the fact that at 9PM, Bush according to AP tallies was 300,000 votes in the lead.
Of course I’ll be the first to admit that the tally from the Gold Coast being counted would quickly eroded such a lead. The AP proved that to be true. Vote tallies only became trickling in from the CTZ and they were indeed slow in countering the tallies from the Gold Coast.
But it should be known that Democratic professional Bob Beckel later admited that the premature call cost G.W. Bush a net total of 15,000 to 18,000 votes. And Bob knows his science. That is precisely why he has been in the forefront of Democrat politics.
A professional such as Bob has tried to put the 2000 chaos to rest. He can’t. Unprofessionals simply resist his honorable and correct attempt.

Posted by: Eugene at March 15, 2004 06:03 PM

Sigh, typical political hack trick; when caught in the act, accuse the other side of doing the same. Fraud is wrong and harmful, no matter who perpetrates it. Those who perpetrate fraud or allow it to be perpetrated are not patriotic.
Anyway, another big problem here is what is accepted, gerrymandering. These districts don’t seem to have been drawn with the voters best interests at heart.

Posted by: Alan M. Robertson at March 17, 2004 01:30 PM

Hey brain dead neocons,
564 (at the latest count) of you have been killed in Iraq and there are more to come.
It is 564 votes less for WB.

Now I will drink to that!

EXTERMINATE

Posted by: EXTERMINATE at March 17, 2004 03:11 PM

Anybody got a BugZapper? Nah. I’ll just ignore the flies. They die after leaving maggots on a dead carcass.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 17, 2004 04:08 PM

Cap’n DOC,

Are you talking about the neocons dead carcasses in Iraq?

Because they are piling up. You see it is really starting to smell bad done there.

Doesn’t matter that much, I am comfortable here at home, siping a glass of old brandy.
CHEERS!

EXTERMINATE

Posted by: EXTERMINATE at March 17, 2004 04:46 PM

ctually algebra and the concept of zero were created by the Hindus of india. Islam borrowed it and refined it.

Be that as it may, Islamic society has provided nothing to the weal of the world in recent memory. Islamic society is stuck in medeival times, reliving past glories and offering nothing to the world. Christianity got over it’s rough times and bad characters and evolved into the religion of peace it was always meant to be. Islam is a cult of death, seeking death and dealing death. It is not a positive force in the world today.

Posted by: Lurch at March 17, 2004 11:01 PM

BugZapper is still workin’, Maggots are alive and well. Not much left of the ArgumentCarcass, however. Shooo.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 18, 2004 09:45 AM

Hey, Exterminate! How’s it lookin’ from inside that ol’ BugZapper?

Man, I love ElectronicHomingDevices…

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 19, 2004 05:41 PM

2,000 faulty registrations in Chicago is not “massive voter fraud,” Maybe this is news if you’re talking about 50,000 registrations and you can prove intentional fraud.

Also, there are two Republican aldermen in Chicago.

Get your facts straight before posting things as “true,” you people are idiots.

Posted by: love all people at April 9, 2004 01:25 PM