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March 09, 2004

Kerry | Kerry's Wife Finances Anti-WOT Group That Protested Bush Ads

This morning’s NY Post editorial exposes the financial link between John Kerry’s wife and Peaceful Tomorrows, a small group of anti-war relatives of September 11 victims. Members of Peaceful Tomorrows were recently represented in the media as average September 11 families who objected to the Bush campaign’s brief use of September 11 images in one of the President’s first campaign ads:

Leading the rhetorical charge has been an outfit called September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows - which, the group admits, has only a few dozen members and represents relatives of no more than 1 percent of the 9/11 victims.

More to the point, the group was formed specifically to oppose the entire War on Terror: Not just the campaign against Saddam Hussein, but also the toppling of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

…Peaceful Tomorrows’ parent group, the San Francisco-based Tides Foundation, has received millions from foundations controlled by Kerry’s heiress wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry.

A spokesman for Kerry insists that her donations to Tides were earmarked specifically for environmental charities based in Pennsylvania. But money is fungible - and the Tides Foundation has a lot more than greening the earth on its plate.

It has given millions to anti-war groups since 9/11 - particularly the extremist MoveOn.org.

…Tides gets much of its funds from philanthropists like Mrs. Kerry and billionaire George Soros - who has made defeating President Bush his top personal priority.

As Richard Berman, director of the Center for Consumer Freedom, told Congress in 2002: “The Tides Foundation distributes other foundations’ money, while shielding the identity of the actual donors.”

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Comments

I wonder if the good Senator Kerry is going to ‘Pre-Challenge’ the NY Post article. I knew there was something fishy about the whole affair when these folks were protesting the ads BEFORE they even played. They mustabeen hooked up with GrandFather Twilight or the PsychicHotline. Oh yah - and the Firefighters Union is backing Kerry already. I wonder when they’ll turn to smearing Ketchup on themselves, and claiming bodily injury.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 9, 2004 09:40 AM

The story of the Hienz company is an interesting read. A man with an idea and lots of hardwork, failures, and more hard work, put together a huge empire. Then generations later, the offspring that’s never had to work a day in their life, want to blow huge sums of money, to try to dictate that the rest of us live in a socialist society. Old man Heinz would be rolling over in his grave……It teaches the rest of us not to leave a large inheritance to our children, for fear that they may have some mongoloid children that run with the likes of Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, or some terrorist organization, and spend our hard earned, and taxed, dollars to support the anti-American activities we have fought so hard against.

I would commit suicide if I had created a child that turned out like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Teresa Heinz Kerry, etc.

I could never look a fellow American in the eye.

They definitely make a case for ‘Pro Choice’.

Posted by: Jeff B at March 9, 2004 09:40 AM

Oh yeah…..I can’t forget Hanoi Jane Fonda in that list. Definitely an honorary member of that group of freaks.

Posted by: Jeff B at March 9, 2004 09:45 AM

Cap’n DOC said, “the Firefighters Union is backing Kerry already.”

Uhhhhh…..I don’t think that’s a very good idea. The firefighters I know, aren’t gonna appreciate their dollars going to support terrorism.

Posted by: Jeff B at March 9, 2004 09:48 AM

CNN ran a number of stories on the objections to the Bush ads from this select crowd. Wonder when they’ll pick up on this story, hmmm?

Posted by: popd at March 9, 2004 10:08 AM

popd- Don’t hold your breath on that one! OTH I have noticed that our local radio news station (WTOP) here in DC has picked up on the story.

Posted by: jaalinta at March 9, 2004 10:22 AM

Jeff B
add Georgie Porgie to the list, along with fellow spawn Neil the Lustful and Greedy

Are you advocating keeping the so-called Death Tax? Not a respectable rightwing position.

My brother is a fireman. We don’t take kindly to the insinuation that firemen falsify the danger they face. As Boy George says, “We don’t appreciate that.”

Posted by: carl at March 9, 2004 10:36 AM

Um, Jeff B — Teresa Heinz Kerry is not a scion of H. J. Heinz. She was married to his great grandson, H. John Heinz III, and inherited both his money and political influence when then-Senator Heinz died in a helicopter crash in 1991. Teresa Simões-Ferreira Heinz Kerry was born in Mozambique, seems to have a talent for marrying well, and has certainly swung more and more leftward in her politics since the death of her very Republican first husband. But please, don’t blame her on the late H.J the First!

Posted by: donna at March 9, 2004 11:02 AM

I pre-challenge every slime anti-Kerry remark that follows this article! I pre-challenge!

Boy, he’s going to give us eight months of material…

By the way, Firefighter’s Union vs firefighters - rather different groups and vastly different agendas.

Posted by: sebi at March 9, 2004 11:23 AM

Here’s a nice figure showing the Bush administration’s forecast of jobs:

Bush Job Forecast

Posted by: x at March 9, 2004 12:17 PM

I guess x couldn’t find a good way to defend the pro-Kerry-ness of the 9/11 families, and decided to change the subject.

Posted by: Dave T. at March 9, 2004 12:46 PM

What’s the beef? Tides Foundation mission includes “…increase and organize resources for positive social change.” Through grant making. Do you think Ms. Kerry vets all contributions made by Tides? Do you think she put them up to this? Doubt she did, but even if…George/Karl established the game in 2000. Now whining. Talk about slimy, underhanded politics… George would never do anything like that.

Post is a Rupert Rag…another fair, balanced media outlet. The post that begins this is mildly biased…they were quoted, not “represented as average September 11 families”. They preempted the ad campaign. Must be a leak in the campaign. Bully for them…Rove has his work cut out selling Doofus again.

Pro-Kerry-ness of 9/11 families…no, just some of them. Probably believe what they’re saying too. Compare to Bush’s South Carolina military spokesman Burch scorching McCain. “Bush Veteran’s Event Targeted McCain; Bush surrogate said “He Came Home. He Forgot Us.” [Washington Post, 2/4/00; New York Times, 2/5/00; FOX; Special Report with Brit Hume, 2/3/00; Tapper, Salon, 2/11/00]

Posted by: carl at March 9, 2004 02:23 PM

So Bush hiring poltical attack dogs = Kerry skirting campaign finance laws through third parties.

Thanks Carl for that stunning bit of rationalizing. It was not illegal for Bush to air attack ads, anymore so then it is for Kerry to do so now. It IS illegal for Kerry or his wife to avoid campaign finance laws by using a third party to launder the money.
Of course that never matters to you or X. You’re always down on Bush, but rationalize and apoligise for the Democrats, when they do the exact same thing or worse.

You whine about that line “He came home. He forgot Us.” And not about Kerry’s add, “Bush wants to ship jobs overseas, and deny overtime to Americans.”

As usual, you’re so focused on hating Bush you would elect Saddam Hussian if he promised to be nice. He kept jobs in Iraq, after all.

Posted by: Brian at March 9, 2004 03:16 PM

dave t,
x just wants to show us what non-farm payroll employment is now relative to 1999 when clinton was in office. was that a time of record unemployment?

just as a parting thought tho, what are the democrats anticipating for job growth (if they were to take the whitehouse, or not)? I don’t recall seeing a forecast by them. well, its not like i ever expect to hear kerry ever say a number - too hard to nuance after its been said. but are democrats more or less optimistic than bush?

Posted by: wafflestomper at March 9, 2004 03:30 PM

The post that begins this is mildly biased…they were quoted, not “represented as average September 11 families”.

The original AP story quotes these persons, but fails to mention that Peaceful Tomorrows have been opposing the President since long before he aired ads that showed images from the most significant event of his presidency. It’s as if someone wrote an article about reporters finding John Kerry to be a haughty, French-looking man, but failing to mention that all of the reporters quoted in the article are on the WSJ’s editorial board. If you don’t reveal that Peaceful Tomorrows is a group with a specific, hardcore anti-war agenda, and just call them a “September 11 families group” then the reader thinks this is the reaction of September 11 families, and not September 11 families who organized to oppose the invasion of Afghanistan.

The article also doesn’t reveal that one of the quoted persons (David Potorti) is also with Peaceful Tomorrows. The third person quoted opposing the ad has been claiming for a while that the President has been covering up/refusing to investigate September 11.

There are four Semptember 11 victim relatives quotes in the piece, and three of them are people who were already opposing the President, yet you wouldn’t know that unless you did research outside of the article. I stand by my characterization of the AP article.

Posted by: Hide And Seek Blog at March 9, 2004 03:37 PM

I think it’s time to remind the folks in the blogosphere of this tidy WSJ paraphrasing - ‘40% of the voting public will vote Democratic even if the candidate is Mahatma Ghandi. 40% of the voting public will vote Republican, even if the candidate is Genghis Khan. The other 20%? They ain’t decidin’ who they’re going to vote for until AFTER the Olympics AND the World Series are over, because there is just so much room in the American mind for politics. Sports is more important.’

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 9, 2004 04:39 PM

WHAT? Rich, powerful individuals using their money and power to influence politics? How deplorable!

Oh, I am talking about Richard Mellon Scaife.

Taking hypocrisy to a new level…

Posted by: dave at March 9, 2004 04:55 PM

WaffleStomper

regarding jobs…was just reading an interesting piece on Bush 1 vs Bush 2 on economic situation

Not a pretty sight. Hope those tax cut effects kick in pretty soon. We’ll be looking at a new Commander in Chief for y’all to salute.

Posted by: carl at March 9, 2004 06:53 PM

I was days ahead exposing that, look back a few headline posts. I guess all my blogging and spreading the good word started to make people pay attention huh?

kerry’s going to flame up before summer vacation, LMAO

Posted by: Fat Guy at March 9, 2004 06:59 PM

Here’s a slam I ran into today, written by another former Vet, with love to John kerry;

FORMER GREEN BERET TACKLES KERRY AGAIN!

Thank you, John Kerry, for helping make us Vietnam veterans war heroes now, but you also were the primary reason that the American public grabbed sturdy unbending brooms of judgment and swept us into the closet of silence and shame for so many years. Now, with your latest unreported insanity, you are getting ready for our society to grab those same stiff brooms and sweep our brave, noble young men and women fighting against the War on Terror in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere, into that cold, dark cell of heartbreak and betrayal, like we Vietnam veterans had to endure in silent dignity. I cannot and will not watch this country go through that again.

The hardcore America-hating, Israel-hating, jihad-spouting Muslim clerics in the mideast are very excited and passing around a front page newspaper story from the very anti-American TEHRAN TIMES in Iran. In the country that is home of the world’s toughest theocratic dictatorship, an e-mail from Democratic Presidential nominee, you, John Forbes Kerry, sent to the paper by your campaign committee, although they deny sending it, was printed word-for-word on the front page of Iran’s main newspaper. Your message states emphatically that, if elected President, you, John Kerry plan to, within 100 days, not only end the War on Terror, but travel to the mideast and elsewhere and apologize for our actions and the actions of President Bush in the War on Terror. It says that you plan to apologize to friends and foes alike. That is right, folks. John Kerry will say he is sorry, and in his mind, all those jihad extremists, who have vowed to kill all Americans wherever we are, will simply forgive us, hold hands with Kerry, start singing “Kumbaya,” and all will be right in the world. This is insane!

Senior writer Kenneth R. Timmerman in the March 1st edition of INSIGHT, tells about the massive campaign contributions to the Kerry-for-President campaign by three Iranian businessmen living in the US, who are lobbying for the US lifting of sanctions on Iran and accepting the anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-American Tehran regime and the close ties of one to the chairman of Mobil Oil.

Pro-democracy dissidents in Iran are shocked and appalled at your remarks, and have reported that in Iran and other Mideastern countries, that all the extremists and anti-west mullahs who strongly supported the attacks on the World Trade Center, Pentagon, USS Cole, Marine Barracks, and anyplace Americans congregate, want you to become our President, but they are scared to death of George W. Bush. Just think, The Democratic candidate for President, you, John Forbes Kerry, is endorsed by the Al Q’Aida, Hezbollah, PLF, and Hamas.

But on February 27, 2004, in a speech at UCLA , you, while trying to talk tough, despite voting against all major weapons systems for the past 18 years, stated that you will continue the War on Terror, but would use our police forces, and especially those in foreign countries, and you would also put our troops back under the powder blue flag of the United Nations. You recently made comments about Bush making troops fight without Kevlar vests, but you, Senator Kerry, voted against buying them while you were in the Senate.

Like the Kama Sutra, Senator, you change positions constantly. You’re not going to end the War on Terror, but instead use police to handcuff terrorists and read them their rights; then a week later, you are going to end the War on Terrorism and apologize to everyone we have offended, such as Iran. What is it going be next week, Kerry? You flip-flop more than a beached tuna on steroids.

You convinced TV reporters Chris Wallace on Fox and NBC’s Tim Russert that a photograph circulating the web and news showing you a few rows away from Jane Fonda at a September, 1970 Anti-War Rally at Valley Forge, was simply a coincidence and that you and Hanoi Jane barely knew each other. But, in fact, Senator, there were only 8 speakers that day, including Fonda, Donald Southerland, and Bella Abzug, and Hanoi Jane funded that rally, and the keynote speaker was you, John Forbes Kerry, executive committee member of Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

We must be Americans first, and think about our political parties after that. Sometimes we lose sight of that. I have six grown children and two are democrats. I voted for Jimmy Carter. This is not about politics. It is about standing up to the ultimate playground bully, and not simply cowering and kissing his shoes.

I left it “all on the field” in the jungles back there when I was medevaced out of Vietnam in March of 1969 and sent back to hospitals in “The World.” Although You, Mr. Kerry, painted all of us Vietnam veterans with the yellow brush of My Lai and Tiger Force, most of us, draftees and lifers alike, actually poured our hearts out in the tropical rain forests and in the rice paddies, thoroughly gave it our all, and acted as warriors who had honor. I have a son earning his green beret at Fort Bragg right now and a daughter-in-law on orders for Iraq. I am not going to stand by and watch them go through the same treatment we did, because some of our well-meaning fellow Americans choose to wear blinders and believe things just because they heard it on the network news or simply not care enough to get involved.

I am not a “baby-killer, torturer, or murderer,” John Kerry. I am a Vietnam veteran and an American who will not soon forget, or ever want to see again, any more jets loaded with fuel and screaming, innocent Americans slamming into our buildings on our very own soil. I have shed enough tears for ten lifetimes. We all have. I will never again let my fellow countrymen get away with making American veterans feel like bastard step-children.

Santayana said, “Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

John Kerry, I now call on my “Band of Brothers,” those who have heard the sound of guns and cries of orphaned children, those who hate war more than anyone who has not been there, to join me in this difficult battle ahead. Republicans, democrats, independents, and the apolitical, I call on the 25,000,000 veterans of this country to help me confront this evil facing our great nation, not with guns and bombs, but with our voices, our votes, our computers, and with all our fighting spirit.

My fellow veterans, your families, survivors, and neighbors: God bless you and God bless America.

You want proof of all I have to say. Here are the references:

http://michnews.com/artman/publish/article_2889.shtml

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=6246

http://www.iranvajahan.net/cgi-bin/news.pl?l=en&y=2004&m=03&d=01&a=12

http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040229-105340-2864r.htm

http://johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0227.html

http://nyyrc.blogspot.com/

http://www.daneshjoo.org/article/publish/article_3130.shtml

Want more proof? Read the very exposing February 27, 2004 article, on page 8, of the NY Sun by Thomas Lipscomb, founder of Time Books and publisher of Admiral Elmo Zumwalt’s best-selling book. “ON WATCH ”. Also read what the man who pinned the Silver Star on John Kerry had to say about him. The article is entitled “Setting Straight Kerry’s War Record “

Don Bendell is a former green beret captain, who served in Vietnam on an A-Team and in the Top Secret Phoenix program in 1968 and 1969, as well as in three other Special Forces Groups. He is a best-selling author of 21 books, with over 1,500,000 copies of his books in print worldwide, and a seventh degree black master in four martial arts, who was inducted into the International Karate Hall of Fame in 1995 and Martial Arts Museum of America in 1996. e-mail: don@donbendell.com
website: www.donbendell.com +
www.bendellkarate.com

Posted by: Fat Guy at March 9, 2004 07:07 PM

Brian,

i don’t hate Bush. i think that he’s a duplicitous slime.

Whatever…yip, yip, yip, anyone who votes against George is voting for Saddam or OBL. just like your buddy Rep. Cole.

we have campaign finance laws produced (with the epitome of reluctance) by this Republican Congress and signed by this Republican President. The RNC is giving free advice to radio/TV stations about what they can run. you’d think those laws have penalties. If someone breaks the law, then let’s punish them accordingly. i fully support this. i would have supported stronger campaign reform.

i see nothing wrong with Ms. Kerry sharing her wealth with causes she supports. knowing how much she’s got going on, i highly doubt that she is vetting all expenditures. i also expect that if her legal advisors suggest that she take a different approach, she will. in fact, she’s married to a lawyer who knows just a tad about campaign finance reform…welfare reform too. i don’t think she’s eager to join Martha “that’s real nice, do you have that in stripes” Stewart.

i’m sorry if you didn’t get the comparison between slimy Bush/Rove politics and apparent Democrat slimy politics. Let me be blunt…B/R played that game…when it’s played against them, they whine and their supporters whine.

suggest that if you think laws are being broken, you send a message to that effect to the RNC. i’m sure that they will be happy to pursue it…if it has merit. By the way, it doesn’t; they won’t. But don’t take my word for it, watch the news.

Posted by: carl at March 9, 2004 07:11 PM

“Don Bendell is a former green beret captain, who served in Vietnam on an A-Team”

“In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn’t commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the A-Team.”

I don’t trust Bendell — he probably drives around in a shitty black van, and his AR-15 accuracy must be terrible!

Posted by: x at March 9, 2004 07:57 PM

Are you afraid of people that hunt down people who hide from the law because they are perhaps guilty of crimes?

tsk tsk tsk.
You don’t trust Bendell because he’s good at what he does? Tracking terrorists that murder innocent women and children?

yet you trust kerry, who has done nothing but sell out the nation, lied, conspired with the enemy,
You like kerry, yet he’s one of those rich people, who doesn’t pay taxes? uses taxpayer money to make relatives rich while ignoring those POW’s and MIA, the dead, then LIES and claims to be a war hero?

I think you have a defective reasoning centre in what there is of your brain, “X”

Posted by: Fat Guy at March 9, 2004 08:15 PM

Kerry speech says nothing like “our troops back under the powder blue flag of the United Nations.”

Kerry was “the primary reason that the American public…swept us into the closet of silence and shame for so many years.” BS. opinion, biased opinion, opinion completely at odds with the facts

I can’t believe that anyone intelligent would buy the Tehran Times riff. This guy was not a captain in any of the forces. or he is mentally off balance.

Kerry voted against Kevlar vests? BS. His votes are down the line with Cheney and Bush 1. Many of these votes being hailed by the RNC were part of omnibus financing bills. They weren’t against Kevlar vests. Deceptive and alarmist.

Kerry’s Senate testimony is that decorated Vietnam veterans said that they saw and did the atrocities he reported. Are we to assume that there was a code of silence that he violated? That’s what this sounds like. His primary messages were — Stop the nonsense that is the Vietnam War — and “Where is the leadership?…These are commanders who have deserted their troops, and there is no more serious crime in the law of war.” This was a bankrupt, corrupt war where the Allies went back on their words regarding the government of Vietnam. i find it incredible that VN Vets would blame Kerry and not Johnson, Kennedy, McNamara, Westmoreland. My BS detector is off the charts.

spurious inflammatory claptrap masquerading as facts, plus a bunch of emotionalism and uberpatriot manipulation. all wrapped in Vietnam Vet sacred robes.

I have sympathy and pity for someone who has this much bile; hope that it’s not the result of his military service. I am also concerned that someone would read obviously biased information on the web and develop such a vehement position.

but anyone who buys this as factual should get a checkup.

Posted by: carl at March 9, 2004 10:02 PM

carl You know, I’m getting really tired of having to repeat myself… I could give a damn if Senator Kerry was anti-war. This state produced a woman by the name of Jeanette Rankin who opposed WWII, and never wavered. Mr. Kerry’s SIN is that he LIED about the atrocities that occurred, and had documents shredded to avoid the responsibility of investigating LIVE POW-MIAs for PROFIT, economically for relatives, and politically for himself. I could care less what his ‘primary message’ was or is! He lied for profit, and cannot and will not be trusted. I will not call him a traitor, but I will not call him Presidential material either, and there are thousands of Veterans who say the same.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 10, 2004 08:01 AM

I take that back - There are millions of us, carl. It is a downright shame that folks such as Kerry encouraged the American public to scorn Vietnam Veterans as baby-killers, rapists and murderers. It is because of him and his kind that the US military is STILL viewed in the same light. Lies beget nothing but lies. President Bush has many faults and I disagree with many of his DOMESTIC policies for a variety of reasons. I stand behind him 100% on the matter of Defense. I distance myself from the likes of Mr. Kerry, and will do everything in my power to influence the votes of as many of my acquaintances as I can using NOTHING but the words and acts of Senator Kerry. He’s written his own ticket, and there is no need to speak untruths about the man.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 10, 2004 09:23 AM

The only thing that’s important is TO win. When Kerry is in office, he won’t mind he has to pay back money or not. It is important that all illegal acticvity is punished before election day.

Posted by: Ricky Vandal at March 10, 2004 09:33 AM

Carl what Bizzaro world are you from?

-“Let me be blunt…B/R played that game…when it’s played against them, they whine and their supporters whine.”-

This is the exact opposite of what is being discussed. Bush put out an ad, and the Dems are the ones whining loudly, and are paying off families that present themselves as “mainstream”.

You just slammed Bush for doing exactly what Kerry did. This is why I said you hate Bush. You constantly complain about Bush and call him names, but where is your disdain when your own candidate carries out the exact same act?

How can you live with such a high level of doublethink?

Posted by: Brian at March 10, 2004 01:06 PM

Fatass, clearly you didn’t understand my post. Go back to your spider-hole and rot. kthx.

Posted by: x at March 10, 2004 07:20 PM

Of course X, you are the rat thats already in a spider hole….leave the other posters alone.
Hey, didn’t anyone notice that on CNN and on MSNBC, both of them had the women of peace on blasting the President’s ads…and while they were fricken talkin’ both of those networks showed the pictures of George Bush reading to those kids in Florida at the time of the 9/11 attacks. Now, I know TERESA (accent as assa) was behind the whole thing. Either that or she’s too busy outsourcing those 57 Heinz factories she is in control of….Kerry doesn’t have Heinz money, so Teresa found him interesting for some other reason…hmmm…gay maybe….have you seen the size of the hands on that guy!!! ha ha ha ha

Posted by: DickD at March 10, 2004 09:37 PM

x What was there about YOUR post which you feel so strongly about? Your NIC? I mean, how many of these little one-liners do we have to read before we ‘get your drift’? Try Heinz 57 Sauce. I hear it works well on open bed sores. That oughta cure what ails you.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 10, 2004 11:00 PM

Donna said, “Teresa Simões-Ferreira Heinz Kerry was born in Mozambique, seems to have a talent for marrying well, and has certainly swung more and more leftward in her politics since the death of her very Republican first husband.”

Hmmm, some pig born in Mozambique, has, not through hard work, gained hundreds of millions, if not billions, and now is having a large impact on trying to get a tyrant elected to office in the United States. Was she an open fruitcake when she was married to Heinz? Or was she a closet terrorist coddler, patiently waiting for her opportunity to financially support them?

Posted by: Jeff B at March 11, 2004 03:21 AM

Cap’n: ahahaha, it’s so f’n funny to watch you get all worked up over what I posted. Chalk up another reader with absolutely no brains in their head! (I think that may very well have been my best troll ever)

Posted by: x at March 11, 2004 09:30 AM

x Yup. That was a classic. You are ondoubtedly the finest troll ever.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 11, 2004 09:37 AM

Sorry. Preview is my friend.

x That was a classic. You are undoubtedly the finest troll ever. I love you, man.

There. That’s better.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 11, 2004 09:44 AM

GO!!!!!!!!!!! Teresa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if she did help in any way any of the 9-11 families!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Poor Jef-b and the other Bushite boozed (I mean buzzed, I think) thinkers.

Maybe that’s Jeb-B, do you think?

Where was George W on 9-10?

Think for a change; the truth may just make you free, rather than fried.

On to Victory 2004 for Bush? Think not!

Go gettum Kerry!!!!!!!!!!! We’re behind you to stay!!

Many Republicans have realized Bush’s sham is their shame. With this adm you get more govn and debt and spending……..along with no freedom to information…….the WH? Sorry, the President has been out to luncheons with big bucks guys the most part of his time in office. Are they getting their money’s worth? Depends on what they are after, I suppose.

Posted by: norma at March 11, 2004 10:32 AM

GO!!!!!!!!!!! Teresa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if she did help in any way any of the 9-11 families!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Poor Jef-b and the other Bushite boozed (I mean buzzed, I think) thinkers.

Maybe that’s Jeb-B, do you think?

Where was George W on 9-10?

Think for a change; the truth may just make you free, rather than fried.

On to Victory 2004 for Bush? Think not!

Go gettum Kerry!!!!!!!!!!! We’re behind you to stay!!

And Cap’n DOC, Ketchup in our face? I think we can handle that. Bring it on!!!! It’s far better than blood all over our soldiers, and innocents; war is not a video game. Republicans seem to know
nothing but war, dirty-tricks, and misuse of power..addicted to to controlling and invading other countries, and other lives…covertly mainly…oh, and I forgot…..blaming others, flying off, and hiding when the going gets tough.

I pray that God will save our country yet! He is our hope, and our true SECURITY. The little gods, who set themselves in high places…bow not to these. I know Bush has said his job would be easier if he were a dictator, but if that is his desire, God alone can cause him to repent.

With God’s help, America will find a leader who is better connected to the Source, rather than one who will claim to speak as the source………able to see into Putin’s soul? Well, well. I doubt that, for only God knows the heart of a man. Yet he tells us to watch out, or evil will (paraphrased) bushwhack us and deceive us.

In truth, Bush will not dignify either his questioners or himself with supportable, whole truth and nothing but the truth answers.

Posted by: norma at March 11, 2004 10:52 AM

GO!!!!!!!!!!! Teresa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if she did help in any way any of the 9-11 families!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Poor Jef-b and the other Bushite boozed (I mean buzzed, I think) thinkers.

Maybe that’s Jeb-B, do you think?

Where was George W on 9-10?

Think for a change; the truth may just make you free, rather than fried.

On to Victory 2004 for Bush? Think not!

Go gettum Kerry!!!!!!!!!!! We’re behind you to stay!!

In truth, Bush will not dignify either his questioners or himself with supportable, whole truth and nothing but the truth answers.

Posted by: norma at March 11, 2004 10:52 AM

Norma,

First of all thanks for the triple posts.

Secondly, with all of the emotional ‘hatred’ you spew on Bush. Is it fair to say that whatever Bush says or Prooves in his defense you will never believe? And therefore regardless if Bush’s defense is 100% the truth you will not believe it?

I think it’s fair to say that. A lot of people like Norma do not want to spend the time learning the facts.

With one exception, Tony Foresta. He at least had the gumption to hear me out concerning the war on terrorism. Can’t say that about an awful lot of Trolls I suppose.

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at March 11, 2004 11:31 AM

norma Are you Mrs. S. G. Poss? Just curious.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 11, 2004 02:56 PM

Is this a comedy or what

Jeff wrote this…
“Is it fair to say that whatever Bush says or Prooves in his defense you will never believe? And therefore regardless if Bush?s defense is 100% the truth you will not believe it?

I think it?s fair to say that.”

It’s America. It’s fair to say whatever you wnt. The Constitution doesn’t convery the right to being smart though. As a followup, would it be fair to say that whatever Bush says or proves in his defence Jeff will always believe? Would it be fair to say that Jeff alywas has the facts on his side?

Posted by: z at March 11, 2004 10:00 PM

On the night of Feb.22/04 Prof. Alan Dershowitz gave a talk at Faneuil Hall, Boston. On leaving the Hall he was confronted by an extremely hostile group carrying signs with “ACT-MA” and shouting into his face calling him “Hitler” and “Goebbels”. Police hustled Prof. Dershowitz into a taxi and rode several blocks with him to make sure he was safe. He describes the encounter in this week’s Israel Insider in a piece entitled “Bigotry Outside Faneuil Hall”. He said he had never encountered such hostile Anti-Semitism in the United States in his adult life.

Turns out ACT-MA is another of the Tides Center (connected to Tides Foundation) project group of 501©3 tax exempt non-profits as is “OnePalestine.org” the real group these people from ACT-MA represented. One of the conditions of tax exempt non-profit 501©3 oranizations is that they not be involved in any campaigning or anti-US activities.

This is not a smear; these are empirical facts which can be checked.

Posted by: Elizabeth at March 12, 2004 03:20 AM

Good grief. At least it’s the LAST letter of the Alphabet. Dead last. I’m happy to see the CP Admin is pretty open about trollery. z! You get ZERO points for that last. You ain’t even funny. What would be fair to say is that you’ve about run out your string of ‘Character’ NICs, and managed to assasinate all of them.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 12, 2004 10:45 AM

Elizabeth,

Would you please post your source so that we can check this out for ourselves?

Despite your assurances, I am skeptical that John Kerry’s wife is supporting a group that appears to be anti-Israel and anti-Jew. So it looks like a smear.

And on the topic of this post, here is what the Tides Foundation had to say about Teresa Hienz Kerry support,
Inaccuracy in Media

It looks like the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post didn’t check their facts. Given the history of Rove secret attacks, it’d be good to check all questionable stories on both sides. And not rely on lazy (probably biased) journalists to do your work for you.

Posted by: buttonpusher at March 12, 2004 11:06 AM

buttonpusher Try mine. You’re WRONG, and the Journal (in this case) is RIGHT. Got that?
Check your own sources. And for CripesSakes, don’t ask Tides. They’re busy doin’ the Hustle right now.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 12, 2004 01:59 PM

Tough guy! “Got that?” Apparently I don’t need to try yours. It’s already pushed. Besides that I don’t try to push buttons, my very existence irritates some people. I smile a lot…that in itself is enough to make some people have a bad day.

What exactly was written that was WRONG? WSJ & WP report the story and don’t get comment from a legitimate source.

Who better to ask than the source? What other sources do you recommend? The WSJ-Daily Worker for the Tax Cut Class? What are you on?

This whole thing has smear and innuendo all over it. Rove has known all along what she contributes to, she makes no secret of it. Dishonest scalliwag will stoop to anything. He and his husband, George, don’t have diddly to brag about so they make the other person look bad. They’ve been doing it for years.

And where’s your puffery about that other smear making Kerry out to be anti-Jew? You agree with that? You have any sources besides Elizabeth?

Posted by: buttonpusher at March 12, 2004 02:29 PM

I read the WSJ artickle(spelling is mine), SmartGuy. Got THAT? Did you? So what am I supposed to do, buttonpusher? NOT touch your buttoms (spelling mine)? Find a freakin’ source to REFUTE the story! As it stands, you are just another PortsidePuker bent over the rail…

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 12, 2004 02:45 PM

BTW - buttonpusher Where’s this Anti-Semitic Kerry Bash? That Tides can shuffle money to whomever they please allows them to accept ‘donations’ from those who don’t want to be associated with LostCauses, of which Kerry is one of those - a LostCause. I don’t need to read about how his wife funds Leftist Causes to know that she’s sleepin’ with a Lefty. I’ve known that he was that way for thirty years! Where have you been?

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 12, 2004 02:55 PM

I’m quivering so bad I can hardly type.

“Anti-Semitic Kerry Bash” is a few posts back on this thread. You’ll have to read between the lines a bit. That’s part of the smear, seems to me.

So your source is the WSJ—the original source of the erroneous information and your own raw 30-year-old feelings about Kerry. You are suggesting that I find a source to refute something that didn’t happen. Sort of foolish-can’t be done—see Popper theory on same—“Wittgenstein’s Poker” is a good place to start.

I’m at the helm, hand on the tiller, eye on the compass, watching port and starboard. Your Bluto imitation has a lot more personality (clever and much appreciated) than the usual commentary, but the big question for you is “So What?” Do you find that this big talk scares people? Makes them forget their debating points?

Touch buttons away. You haven’t hit one yet. Here’s one for you—what are you going to do if Kerry wins in November? If he’s the new top military dog?

Posted by: buttonpusher at March 12, 2004 04:19 PM

I’m quivering so bad I can hardly type.

“Anti-Semitic Kerry Bash” is a few posts back on this thread. You’ll have to read between the lines a bit. That’s part of the smear, seems to me.

Touch buttons away. You haven’t hit one yet. Here’s one for you—what are you going to do if Kerry wins in November? If he’s the new top military dog?

Posted by: buttonpusher at March 12, 2004 04:19 PM

I’m quivering so bad I can hardly type.

“Anti-Semitic Kerry Bash” is a few posts back on this thread. You’ll have to read between the lines a bit. That’s part of the smear, seems to me.

Touch buttons away. You haven’t hit one yet. Here’s one for you—what are you going to do if Kerry wins in November? If he’s the new top military dog?

Posted by: buttonpusher at March 12, 2004 04:20 PM

apologies for the multiple post. don’t know what happened. guess I was stammering.

Posted by: buttonpusher at March 12, 2004 04:22 PM

Postbuttonpusher Yup. That’s what I really like - A quivering debater. Does your lower lip tremble at the same time, or does it just twitch? I have yet to see anyone (including buttonpushers) debunk a WSJ article. And the reason why I’m sorta willing to trust the Journal on THIS story is because they have appeared to me to be FAIR and balanced. TIDES, OTOH, is NOT in the Journalistic business, but rather in the PROPAGANDA business, and (for a price) will suport any and all agendas. Don’t go Cap’n Jack Sparrow on me and give me the swayin’ moves on the deck whilst pointing at my open fly. Your Rudder may become difficult to hold onto in a RIPtide. After all, if you ask Kerry if he lied under Oath, he’ll give the answer YOU want to hear. The TIDES done been outted, Mr. buttons.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 12, 2004 04:58 PM

Cap’nCod

In a written interchange, typed bluster just looks dumb. It’s like you’re all puffed up and righteous, getting ready for a brawl. For all we know, you’re a 108 pound, 5’6” accountant with Small Man Syndrome. In My Experience, people who need to affect this posture are people who don’t have what it takes otherwise.

If you read your last post for what it says, you will find little content except your indication that you will trust the WSJ with no checking.

And now that I read the original entry in this thread, it doesn’t mention WSJ, but the Washington Post. Do you trust that without question too?

Presumably your last sentence means that TIDES has been proven to be in the propaganda business. If all the proof consists of your claim in this post, that’s pretty weak. Is there any credible source for this revelation?

If the WSJ and the WPost are responsible, they will print the letters from the Tides Foundation. My guess is that the average citizen will read those letters and come to the conclusion that Teresa Heinz Kerry is a generous, intelligent person who supports causes she believes in. They may conclude, as I have, that she’s a pretty classy lady. That will have some impact on how they view her husband. So the partisan mudslinging will probably turn out to have the opposite effect than Rove wanted.

I missed the joke about Cap’n Jack Sparrow, etc., although it seems pretty clever. Why don’t you have a good belly laugh about how you put one over on someone? I’m thinking that’s a private joke, just for you.

Just checked my buttons. All intact. No damage to report. Thanks for the test. It was just a test, right?

Posted by: buttonpusher at March 12, 2004 06:11 PM

You are absolutely correct - I cite the WSJ Article BECAUSE I read it!

Typed bluster??? Live with it. Maybe you ought to read the WSJ article and discover for yourself why I’ll take their word over TIDES, any day. And mind you, I think it behooves you to READ the WSJ article very carefully, and compare it to the TIDES PR letters. Simple matter of obfuscation there. If it was a indeed of a matter of asking and just because TIDES writes a pompous letter, don’t assume that all is well and good. TIDES spokesperson David Potori was questioned by the WSJ before the article was written. If he’d been forthcoming (which he wasn’t) about the funding and the way in which it is disbursed, he’d have had no reason to write any letters. MOF, if TIDES was above-board, they’d have grounds for libel. They don’t.

As for you? Kickin’ at me for standing pat on the WSJ hand is all that I have. I read the Post article, but the WSJ article gave me a better grasp of TIDES and how they operate. You are doin’ nothing more than spittin’ into the wind. Oh yah, and callin’ me for being blusterous. Fouler winds than the meek breeze you’re blowin’ don’t have much effect.
Steady as she goes.

Cap’n Jack Sparrow - Pirates of the Caribbean. He used a Compass that didn’t work. Just like yours. No test. I don’t watch many movies. This was one my kids wanted to see, so I watched it. I liked the part about the Compass…

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 12, 2004 06:57 PM

just to close the loop. Not going to read the WSJ article-no subscription; don’t care. I don’t have a commitment to change your mind about it.

Don’t have a commitment for you not to bluster. I see from many posts that this is your online personality. I actually do have a commitment that people express themselves. Just be clear that your typed bluster has NO effect on me, although it might on some.

Now—you didn’t address the issue of the sneaky “Kerry is anti-Jew” post. I’m clear that you don’t like Kerry. Do you condone that smear?

You also didn’t address the point I made about the net effect of the misleading-to-some stories in the Post and WSJ. As this is the subject of this thread, this seems to cut to the heart of the issue.
Viz:
-Bush runs ads
-People squeal that it’s wrong
-CommandPost, WashPost and WSJ report “Kerry’s Wife Finances Anti-WOT Group That Protested Bush Ads”
-Letter from Tides appears in the papers read by Jane&Joe Citizen that give the impressions: she gives far less money than reported; she gives it for an upstanding cause; that the money is not fungible and it has nothing to do with the protesting families; she’s a classy lady who shares her wealth.
-net effect - complaining about financing looks whiny, Bush and Rove lose and Kerry didn’t do a thing

Match to Kerry; along with goodwill
Many points lost by professionalsmearingrepublicanattackmachine

I don’t want to give Rove any ideas, but with the way this played out, it wouldn’t surprise me if the professionalantiRovedemocraticpreemptmachine was behind this.

Posted by: buttonpusher at March 12, 2004 07:37 PM

// “OnePalestine.org” the real group these people from ACT-MA represented.//

If the TIDES Foundation is a supporter of this OnePalestine.org group and the Heinz Foundation is a supporter of Tides, then there definitely is a problem. It doesn’t matter to me whether any of Heinz’s money given to Tides ended up in OnePalestine.org. Just the fact of association with such an anti-Semitic group is enough for me and I’d bet it’s going to be enough for a lot people when the information comes out. Having Theresa Heinz Kerry as First Lady is probably a lot worse than having Kerry as President.

OnePalestine.org:

Founding Principles of Unity

- We are for a unified democratic Palestine that encompasses all the territory of historic Palestine. We oppose the existence of the colonial-settler state of Israel.

- We are for human rights for all Palestinians — including the right to resist and the right to return.

- We are for an end to all U.S. aid to Israel — military, economic, and political.

These principles of unity form the basis for our work as the New England Committee to Defend Palestine. We are an independent committee unaffiliated with any political party. We are committed to building a movement based on these principles, and we hope to work with individuals or organizations in solidarity with the Palestine struggle.

Posted by: TexasGal at March 12, 2004 08:55 PM

buttonpusher I have no clue as to what your reference is to Anti-Semitic ‘smears’.

Furthermore, the whining about the Bush ad occurred BEFORE the ad appeared! Tough on you if you don’t like my ‘personality’. Tough on the TIDES group if the WSJ points out how ‘non-partisan’ they really are, and all of the little haven groups which they support (for a fee, of course).

I don’t post here. I just comment. If you have a problem with a poster, speak up. If you have a problem with a Commentor other than myself, I might suggest you address that person, and leave your rag on me for something pertinent.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 12, 2004 09:11 PM

Cap’n

I’m not complaining on you about anti-Semitism. Your first comment to me was based my comment on a post by Elizabeth 16 posts up (if you don’t count my overly happy trigger finger) It’s the one immediately preceding one of yours scorching Z-Troll that starts “Good Grief!” It’s the one that started this back-and-forth that you and I have been having.

The more I read that the more skeptical I get. Elizabeth has not been back to claim her prize. So I expect that this is caca del toro.

But this is the kind of tomfoolery I am skeptical of with Rove on the scene. All BiaS aside, he’s bad news. I liked McCain in the 2000 primary. I looked into the stuff that happened behind the scenes (that looks like it was coordinated by Rove). Dirty politics looks like washday at the fair with his deeds.

TexasGal
You’ve done exactly what I’m talking about. There is no proof, NONE that there is any connection here. Yet Elizabeth has planted BS that has you write “Having Theresa Heinz Kerry as First Lady is probably a lot worse than having Kerry as President.” You started the paragraph with IF, but this statement of yours just sits there just begging for someone to gossip it on.

How about if people were against Kerry for everything that he’s said and done OR NOT. This is Rovepoliticssecretsmear at work. He is probably not behind this transgression. But there are 100 more where this came from.

I suspect that Bush can’t win on performance, so he’ll have to play tricks and try to tear Kerry down to win.

Posted by: buttonbutton at March 12, 2004 11:15 PM

Button pusher, you are takingall Kerry’s weaknesses and giving them to Bush.

Kerry has no record and no issues and can only attack personally.

Bush is running on his record, Bush has laid out a plan, Bush has not attack the person, just the issues and stances.

Then you turn it around and blame Bush. Go right ahead, I won’t bother with you, but if you beleive that spin will work, good luck.

Posted by: jones at March 13, 2004 07:41 AM

MultipleButtons Ooooooh. So. Now that you got that out of your system, I’m goin’ to ‘splain a few things - TIDES supports, via fungible monies, a variety of very liberal ‘causes’. One of those causes is known as ‘Peaceful Tomorrows’. This group was founded by a fellow by the name of David Potori. Mr. Potori, besides runing a left-wing anti-Bush weekly in NC, also lost a brother in 9/11. The group recieved and continues to recieve monies from both the Tides Center, and the Tides Foundation. Because they claim Non-profit 501C3 Tax-exempt status, they claim they do not need to tell anyone where their money comes from. Very transparent, that. I could give a rip if Mrs. Kerry wants to throw her money at these folks. What bothers me, ought to bother you, and ought to bother the VOTING populace, is that there is NOTHING non-partisan about this outfit, and that nobody seems to give a Tinker’s Damn. At least the President (and don’t hang the name Rove out there, cuz he ain’t runnin’ the Re-election Campaign) is up front about the ads he produces. There wasn’t anything ‘upfront’ about the pre-ad incredulity offered by Peaceful Tomorrows, nor are they non-partisan, nor is the Tides outfit a ‘real’ non-profit. They’re in the game to make money, and they’ve chosen left-wing radical groups and their causes as their customers. What you apparently don’t like is the fact that the WSJ (where I got my information) had the journalistic balls to call them on their behavior

Now. On to your Anti-Semitic rag on Elizabeth. I had no clue what you were talking about until I re-read her post. It was easy enough to find. MOF, I didn’t even bother reading hers in its entirety. because others had ALREADY commented on the Tides group, and by then I had read the WSJ article. I think you better start at the very top of this thread and read the whole thing. The caca is on you, sir. And are you goin’ to throw TexasLady into YOUR pile of crap as well because she mentions another ‘cause’ supported by the Tides Center and Foundation? Because if that’s the case, I call caca on your entire argument. You ain’t nothin’ short of a freakin’ reading-challenged whiner, and prolly have no Compass either.

So. You can rag on me now. For what little good it’s goin’ to do you. I’ll use some big words next time that’ll keep you in your Websters for more than 2 seconds.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 13, 2004 08:07 AM

jones Sorry. I was busy composing my response, and I didn’t see yours until after I hit the Post button. I didn’t realize you were using LightWeightTackle, or I’d of left you alone. Mr. buttons doesn’t have enough lip left for many more hook-ups.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 13, 2004 08:11 AM

Button,

You’re right I did start my statement with ”if” and that denotes my own uncertainty at this point. You can take it as you like, I don’t really care. I’ll be contacting some of my State Reps and ask them to find out if TIDES does support OnePalentine.org financially. By the look of that mission statement, I’d even lay odds that the FBI has investigated them as a supporter of terrorism. If not, they should.

As far as having Theresa Heinz Kerry as First Lady being worse than Kerry as President, well, at least we would have Congress to keep Kerry in check, but who’s going to check Theresa? Here’s a little unofficial polling for you. Last night at my gym, there were several women there. In talking about the Presidential election, about 60% were Bush, 40% Kerry; but about 80% were against Theresa as First Lady. The others didn’t know anything about her. I was amazed by that since not much as been said about Theresa in the media. And guess what? There are still 8 months before November. I’ve got a feeling the DNC is going to have it’s hands full defending Kerry’s record and justifying his wife’s activities.

Something else that needs to be looked at is how is it that the Heinz Endowment is able to provide any funding to Tides based on the restrictions in their funding statement. It must be that last part, the loophole, “specifically requested by the foundation”, maybe that would be specifically requested by Theresa?

On another note, I think if anyone has Heinz stock in their portfolio, it would be wise to watch it and be prepared to sell it as we get closer to the election.

HEINZE ENDOWMENT

Who is eligible?

Who May Apply
The foundation funds organizations classified as tax-exempt under section 501©(3) of the Internal Revenue Code and as public charities under section 509(a) of that code. Individuals and for-profit organizations are not eligible for funding.

About Our Regional Focus
The Heinz Endowments concentrates its efforts and resources in southwestern Pennsylvania. Given its primarily regional focus, the foundation is generally unable to consider applications for funding for projects outside the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania unless they have been specifically requested by the foundation.

Posted by: TexasGal at March 13, 2004 12:02 PM

jones
whatever. I stopped having your kind of “debate when I was in sixth grade.

Cap’n
I’m not going to waste any more MIPS on explaining Elizabeth’s smear. You either get or not. Your Bush support, check that, anti-Kerry venom, is obvious. Come to whatever conclusion you want; you will anyway to make some point. Here’s MY point: whether it’s the WSJ (right) or NYT (left), I read with my BS detector on. You don’t.

And you seem to like Pirate/Sea metaphors. Here’s one that describes the behavior of people who accept certain media without question—Gull-A-Bull.

Don’t worry about coming at me with Webster’s, Here’s an online resource that works better for posting. And I found the perfect reference to describe your online gig—nothing highbrow like Johnny Depp—”…put down everything they see. They make wry, supposedly clever comments, but too loud and dumb to be clever.” Elmore Leonard “Stick”

Posted by: buttonbutton at March 13, 2004 12:52 PM

LOL.. Button!

Now if you had just been creative enough to make that Gull-A-Bilge, you would have impressed me.

Posted by: TexasGal at March 13, 2004 01:11 PM

TexasLady LOL. That’s exactly what popped into my SeeWorthy brain, but alas… He’s a couple buttons shy of a full vest.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 13, 2004 05:27 PM

There was no possible way I was going to pass up “Bull”.

Thanks you two, Cap’nTexGalDoc! Fun arguing with you. One thing that we can all agree on—“I’m right”. No matter who you are the quote usually fits.

On to the next screaming match

Posted by: buttons at March 13, 2004 07:49 PM

Gee what a startling shock!! A Liberal, BUTTONS, who is dead set on never admitting that he is ever wrong about anything.

Man.. I never could have guessed!

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at March 14, 2004 04:44 PM

Another tawdry Murdoch rag floats a turd of untruth. First the Sun’s intern, now the Post’s pro-terrorism swipe.

Only 8 more months of this. I cannae wait.

Posted by: I'm a banana at March 14, 2004 06:20 PM

BananaMan Did you even bother reading the thread? Oooops. I forgot. Herbs can’t read. I cite the WallStreetJournal. You wanna slip on that peel for awhile, or do you just wanna turn to sugar?

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 14, 2004 07:53 PM

You know the drill, Cap. If you’re not with us, you’re against us. Kerry’s wife (not Kerry) involved with charitable foundation that gave hundreds of thousands (not millions) to Pa. environmental groups (not anti-war group) = Kerry is pro-terrorist and tramples on the rubble of 9/11.

I haven’t read the WSJ but I did read the Post smear, and if you could post any substantiated assertions that can’t be swatted by the press release buttonpusher linked above I’ll read ‘em.

Posted by: I'm a banana at March 15, 2004 04:46 AM

BananaMan Did you read the thread? I paraphrased just fine, MOF, I even included at least one name. I suppose I could copy verbatim the WSJ article, but I’m certain you’d come to the same conclusion that ButtonMan did. I might add however, that the TIDES groups (there are several) that were funded by Heinz money extend beyond the borders of PA. Part and parcel of the WSJ article is that the Tides Funds are spreading around in support of partisan causes in violation of the very 501c3 Tax-exempt status that they claim! Tides is of course, upset that anyone (including the Journal) should call them on their clients’ causes, because Tides charges them a fee for spreading the good word. In this case, they were spreading the partisan word BEFORE the President’s ads even aired. So. It is not a ‘smear’ if anti-Bush groups tell the media that such is the case, but it is a smear (of Theresa Kerry, and hence her Hubby) if the Media points out how duplicitous the Tides Group really is? Oooooh. You need more than reading glasses, BananaMan.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 15, 2004 07:49 AM

Hey, BananaMan! Did you lose your a-peel? Tides come in and wash the color out of your crap argument? I still got partisan NAMES for you there, BananaGuy! You know, Lefty-Whiny DemoCoverts who like to suck the big dollars from LiberalIdiots so’s they can spread slime on the President. I can quote the WSJ article, and then you can visit your LocalLibrary so’s you can read it at your leisure, just to verify I’m not taking liberties with anything they said. Last I heard, Tides could lose its Tax-Exempt status in short order, and Mrs. Kerry looks pretty sad as to exerting tons of control on how her money gets spent!

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 15, 2004 03:04 PM

could I please get an update on where all the Hienz company holdings are such as the location of all their plants and the amount of employees they have in other countries. I would also like to know if possible how many homes and other businesses they have scaterd around the world

Posted by: Carl R. Hadley at June 5, 2004 04:58 PM