Boy, that is a poor-quality web-site. Could you not spare the extra minute of design thought?

I was shocked to learn, however, that I agree with Kerry half the time. Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.

Posted by: 3bo at March 7, 2004 01:01 PM

They should have Bush v Bush next to it for
comparison sake. He doesn’t have the history but
More waffles and Lies. He Lies or believes Fools.
Anyone find any WMD’s..Oh, Yea !! They were moved
to Iran, Lybia, and NK. used Dem Mobil. YOU All
trailers. Our Buddies in Pakistan provided dem.
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA…!! DUHHHHHH LOL
What was that that O’Neal said ?? The Blind
talking to the Deaf. Bush Can’t read so He Must
be the blind one but he can’t talk. Wonder if he
can hear… He Heard the Brits say, 45 min but
they Meant, till dinner was ready. Oh, Well. That’s
what the leader of the Free (??) World should be
capable of. Yeaaaaaaaa!! Doo De Dooo.. Yuck Yuck!!
Hee Haw was funnier and more credable.

Posted by: VF at March 7, 2004 03:16 PM

Hey heres a game: Find the WmD’s… theres no way to win, and each time you guess wrong 500 American soldiers die! Lets call it “Bush big adventure in Iraq!”

Posted by: Typhonus at March 7, 2004 03:48 PM

I find it interesting how eager libs are to use dead troops as political props. It makes me sick.

Posted by: jones at March 7, 2004 04:47 PM

jones

What is your opinion of the use of dead firefighters in Bush’s Marketing Message?

different subject…
GoOP needs to be careful. Their boy ain’t much better. And he doesn’t have the excuse that there are nuances. He doesn’t think, he acts.

For every Kerry flip, there’s a Bush flop.

stole this from somewhere…
Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he’s for it.

Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he’s for it.

Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he’s for it.

Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he’s for it.

Bush is against nation building; then he’s for it.

Bush is against deficits; then he’s for them.

Bush is for free trade; then he’s for tariffs on steel; then he’s against them again.

Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a “road map” and a Palestinian State; then he pushes for no action.

Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.

Bush says he’ll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn’t.

Bush first says that ‘help is on the way’ to the military … then he cuts benefits

Bush-“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-“I don’t know where he is. I have no idea and I really don’t care.

Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.

Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.

Bush first says the U.S. won’t negotiate with North Korea. Now he will.

Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say’s he shouldn’t have.

Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote

Bush said the “mission accomplished” banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.

Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. After meeting with Pres. Fox, he’s against it.

Posted by: carl at March 7, 2004 05:53 PM

Kerry often tells voters that he was “misled” and that’s why he voted for an October 2002 resolution authorizing military force against Iraq.

Kerry says he believed the resolution tied President Bush to promises to build an international coalition, to work with the United Nations and to only go to war as a last resort. A disappointed Kerry now says Bush failed in all three venues.

Kerry’s story only works if you don’t know that the resolution didn’t bind Bush as Kerry said.

And a month before Kerry’s “yes” vote, Bush went to the United Nations and said the following: “Saddam Hussein has defied the United Nations 16 times. Not once, not twice — 16 times he has defied the U.N. The U.N. has told him after the (Persian) Gulf War what to do, what the world expected, and 16 times he’s defied it. And enough is enough. The U.N. will either be able to function as a peacekeeping body as we head into the 21st century, or it will be irrelevant. And that’s what we’re about to find out.”

When Kerry met with the editorial board of the San Francisco Chronicle on Friday, I had the chance to ask the senator how he could have expected Bush to behave differently in light of what Bush had said.

Kerry’s answer reminds me of the angry customer in the Federal Express ad who, clad only in a towel and a loofah mitt, calls a company to complain that FedEx delivered his package as scheduled, which he should not have expected, and by the way, it inconveniently interrupted a “complicated exfoliation.”

Kerry’s answer was that Washington insiders believed that Bush didn’t mean what he said. “I think that you had a hard-line group (then Pentagon adviser) Richard Perle, (Deputy Defense Secretary) Paul Wolfowitz and probably (Vice President Dick) Cheney. But when Brent Scowcroft and Jim Baker (former advisers to the first President Bush) weighed in, very publicly in op-eds in The New York Times and the (Washington) Post, the chatter around Washington and (Secretary of State Colin) Powell in particular, who was very much of a different school of thought, was really that the president hadn’t made up his mind. He was looking for an out. That’s what a lot of people thought.”

What about what Bush said to the United Nations? That was “rhetorical,” Kerry answered. And “a whole bunch of very smart legitimate people” not running for president thought as he did. “So most people, actually on the inside, really felt that (Bush) himself was looking for the way out to sort of satisfy Cheney, satisfy Wolfowitz, but not get stuck,” Kerry continued. “The fact that he jumped and went the other way, I think, shocked them and shocked us.”

So Kerry was “misled” because he believed that Bush didn’t mean what Bush said.

Talk about your dirty tricks.

Kerry also downplayed the importance of his Iraq vote when he told the Chronicle, “Moreover, we didn’t give (Bush) any authority he didn’t have. (President) Clinton went to Kosovo without Congress. Clinton went to Haiti without Congress.”

And: “What we thought we were doing was getting him to a place where it would be harder to go to war.”

The scariest part is that Kerry looked as if he believed what he said. He had noted that all of his fears of where Bush might err turned out to be right. And at the same time, Kerry asserted that his vote for military force made it “harder” for Bush to go to war.

There are a few ways to interpret Kerry’s statement.

One is to believe the Kerry spin that the Vietnam War veteran is a reluctant warrior who only sends other men’s sons off to war under the most dire circumstances, and Kerry somehow believed that a Senate vote authorizing force would make it harder for Bush to send U.S. troops to Iraq.

Or you can believe Kerry is a reluctant warrior who voted for war, even if he opposed it, because he was running for president, and the war polled well.

Or you can believe that Kerry strongly believed in the war but now poses as a reluctant warrior because he is running for president as a Democrat.

Or you can believe that you shouldn’t believe a politician who complains he was misled because another politician had the cheek to mean what he said.

Posted by: Fat Guy at March 7, 2004 07:40 PM

For every liberal there is a complete bonafide liar

“For every Kerry flip, there’s a Bush flop.

stole this from somewhere…”

From where? Michael Moore’s list of stupidity?

“Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he’s for it.”

The entire Congress was ‘against it’ at the time Bush was ‘reluctant’ to sign it. I don’t really remember Bush out right being against Campaign Finance Reform. When it was made an issue it was during a time in which President Bush was trying to pass his Tax Cuts. He wanted that done first before anything else. So…. Campaign Finance Reform got shelved.

Then later while everyone was asleep, Congress Rail Roads the Campaign Finance Reform bill to Bush’s desk. Of course Bush ends up signing it, because he ends up thinking it would be political suicide not to. (which I strongly am infuriated over his signing of the law).

“Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he’s for it.”

President Bush was never strongly against Homeland Security Department. Rather he kept debating it and delaying the issue. Not thinking that it would be necessary given that we already had George Tenet with the authority to oversee all intelligence agencies.

But, partnered with the reality that our intelligence offices were incapable of protecting our borders well along with the extensive pressure from the Democrats and Republicans… Bush signed it.

I don’t believe he was ever ‘against it’ just ‘thinking it over.’

“Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he’s for it.”

How would you feel if I told you whether I can get a group of investigators to investigate what you did throughout the last 2 years of your life? And the publicize it to everyone? You’d feel reluctant to agree. And again. This is the same thing. Not once was President Bush 100% against the 9/11 commision. But rather reluctant to agree.

And anyone would be. After President Bush talked over with his administration and with Congress he eventually agreed to allowing the comission. There’s really no flip flop on this one.

It’s like saying the fact that you were reluctant to drink what I offered you and then later found out it was safe and drank it… means you flip flopped.

Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he’s for it.

Same thing as above. Bush was never 100% against a WMD investigation. He was reluctant to treat the intelligence agencies like a pin cushion for the Liberals. After discussing it and finding out it would safe, he agrees to it. Absolutely no flip flop when it is all about BUSH seeking further information.

Do you want our Presidents to AGREE to something without knowing all of the facts first!??!

Bush is against nation building; then he’s for it.

B.S.! Asked and answered in the Tim Russert interview.

Nation Building is like sending troops to a country and feeding the poor people and nursing them. Then eventually leaving. Or perhaps staying there indefinitely.

The Iraqi situation IS NOT ABOUT NATION BUILDING!! Whose doing the nation building? Corporations are….. Not the Government. Government hands out the contracts and the corporations do the nation building.

Our troops are out there in Iraq killing Terrorists! They are doing the war on Terrorism here.

Nation Building, my butt! Gads I can’t stand Liberal Broken Record people. I’ll finish up later with the rest of your distorted lies.

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at March 7, 2004 11:57 PM

It is the same idiocy as calling Bill Clinton’s war in Bosnia (was it?) Blackhawk Down war a Nation Building effort.

Initially… It was ‘nation building’ to feed the poor people. Clinton went on National TV and portrayed the event as nothing more than nation building and troops will be back by Christmas. That is what Clinton said.

And guess what folks? It ends up that we were there to remove the war lords by kidnapping them. We were there to disrupt the entire leadership of the war lords. Well???? It ends up that we were doing a ‘WAR’ rather than a ‘Nation Building’ effort.

There is a clear difference folks. The minute the Blackhawks start taking bullets and bodies are starting to fly in the air. You can toss out this B.S. idea that it was all nation building! Sweet and Docile Nation Building!!

If you think President Bush is comitting Nation Building folks, then tell that to all of the terrorist scum we killed in Iraq. Tell that to Udai and Qusai. Tell that to Saddam. “Oooooo We just came to feed the poor and then leave.”

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at March 8, 2004 12:21 AM

If Bush flipflops as bad as Kerry I challenge VF, Carl and Typhonus to compile a similar list to the Kerry vs. Kerry one. Not just the usual mindless rant you posted above, give us dates, quotes with references and documented voting/signing on bills.

You can’t pull the “Kerry isn’t a careerist politician blatantly pandering to the democratic base because Bush flip flops too!” line until you back it up.

Oh, and don’t even start about the Bush 9-11 adds, The democratic Moveon.org adds are far worse, and we never heard a peep from you or your kind Typhonus protesting them, you hypocrites.

Posted by: Brian at March 8, 2004 08:24 AM

Brian, you gotta remember when you’re dealing with these flakes…..’you can’t polish a turd’. No matter what fact you present to their mindless rants and lies, they will continue for the rest of their lives, being lying, Bush hating, troop undermining, anti-American, terrorist coddling, ballot stuffing, flip-flopping, Clinton wannabes.

We have found the enemy, and it is them.

Posted by: Jeff B at March 8, 2004 09:24 PM

Great line there Jeff…..’you can’t polish a turd!!’
I love it. It is so true….these people are out of their minds. The thing they hate the most is that the majority still rules…and they can’t stand it. Whether gays or atheists or baby killers, they somehow think they have the majority opinion. They say they are pro choice, but what is the choice….either have a baby, or KILL the baby. That is some fricken choice, and look what they often choose….their day will come. This November I will be dancing in the streets if we win, if we lose the chaos they will bring will fall upon them bigtime. In the end I’ll dance on their graves too!

Posted by: DickD at March 8, 2004 10:45 PM

DickD…I appreciate the compliments, but man, I gotta call you on some differences of opinion.

DickD said, “Great line there Jeff…..’you can’t polish a turd!!’
I love it. It is so true….these people are out of their minds. The thing they hate the most is that the majority still rules…and they can’t stand it.”

This country is based on certain beliefs. It will never change, but there is a lot of fools that will preoccupy us when we need to be focusing on other issues, trying to lead us to socialism/communism.

DickD said, “Whether gays or atheists or baby killers, they somehow think they have the majority opinion. They say they are pro choice, but what is the choice….either have a baby, or KILL the baby. That is some fricken choice, and look what they often choose….their day will come.”

This is where we start separating.

1. I am personally nausiated by homosexuals. However, I know several, that are very good citizens. They treat me with respect and I do the same to them. As long as they don’t make out in public, or molest my child, let’em gag each other in the privacy of their own home.

2. Atheists…..Freedom of religion is not just a bumper sticker. You can beleive in what ever you want to. Every man beleives his religion is right and the other’s is wrong. They all need to chill. You practice your belief, I’ll practice mine…..unless yours says that I must die or live under a ‘belief tax’. In that scenario……you’re gonna get your as- whipped.

3. Unless you are a 10 to 35 year year old female…..shut the fu-k up. No man can make this decision for a woman. Until a better solution comes along, you’re just gonna have to deal with it. It has just become a dividing issue for the liberals to devide our country one more time, bringing more people on their side. If they make the ‘morning after’ pill available, and you still bitch……….I’d say, “you’re the one with a problem”.

If you want to dog the doctors that provide these services, until something better comes along……you might come face to face with me. Not because the doctor is my friend, but because all the women that had to make this very difficult decision, don’t need some fu-kin’ monkey trying to make them suffer any more than they already have.

DickD said, “This November I will be dancing in the streets if we win,”

I’ll probably just go to work…with a little less stress on my shoulders.

DickD said, ” if we lose the chaos they will bring will fall upon them bigtime. In the end I’ll dance on their graves too!”

Now….we actually see eye to eye.

Posted by: Jeff B at March 9, 2004 12:16 AM

I especially like the Bush flip-flop on nation building.

“We won’t do any nation building in a Bush administration”.

Err…. at least not in Afganistan, Iraq, Haiti …

Spin George spin! It really dazzels the true-believers.

Posted by: S. G. Poss at March 9, 2004 01:22 AM

S G Poss aka Tony Foresta…….Got any confessions about that college professor?

Posted by: Jeff B at March 9, 2004 01:47 AM

Frankly, I don’t know who Mr. Tony Foresta is, but he does seem to display at least a modicum of intelligence lacking in much of what is posted here.

Why is it that some posters seem to want to imply that anyone who questions some of the more obvious falsehoods found on this site are all from the same person? Does this reflect a fear that there may be more than a few who are in disagreement, some who don’t follow in lock step with the other dodo-heads? Could critical thinking be getting out of hand? The truth is open for all to see, even to those so simple-minded that they tend to be blinded by it.

Posted by: S. G. Poss at March 9, 2004 11:24 PM

Jeff B,

In relation to Wahhabi Islam, this sentence
is too optimistic currently.

“You practice your belief, I’ll practice mine…..unless
yours says that I must die or live under a ‘belief tax’.”

Wahhabis want all others to Die. They NOW have
a choice…. Moderate, join the Human Race,
or DIE themselves.

I suspect it will take 50 years or so to EXTERMINATE
the real killers of Wahhabism.

Although I may be too optimistic, I suspect that
Most others will choose to modernize and Live.

Posted by: leaddog2 at March 10, 2004 11:15 AM

S. G. Poss You get credit for using a NIC that appears to belong to you, but what you don’t get credit for is swiping ‘everyone’ with this rather wide and wet long-handled mop - Frankly, I don’t know who Mr. Tony Foresta is, but he does seem to display at least a modicum of intelligence lacking in much of what is posted here.

Would you care to share, or are you just going to echo? Puhleeeease, make it short and to the point however. I grow tired of putting on my hip-waders to find a cogent argument in Tony’s long-winded spewage. I haven’t found anything different in yours.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at March 10, 2004 12:29 PM

Jeff B - I salute you for having the gumption to state your pro-choice stand. This (and previously nuclear proliferation) has been the key issue to force my democratic presidential vote in the past. May I ask how you look past it?

Posted by: j at March 11, 2004 12:48 AM

Bush is the biggest flip flopper, liar, AWOL , Daddy’s little boy, who gets what he wants, never earns it, Smear Presidential Administration king, Making fun about the weapons of mass destruction and I quote “Where are they? not here.” “COuld they be here?” He thinks that was funny, tell that to the families of the 580 dead in Irak and to those whose lives were shattered, see if they would laugh. What a Bozo!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let’s get rid of the Dick, Colin and Bush and Get a real hero in the White House, “GO KERRY”, “GO KERRY”, SAVE AMERICA FROM THOSE SPECIAL INTERESTS LOVERS that have Genital and Orifice names. LEt’s get rid of Halliburton and give the troops the supplies they need, Kerry wanted to spare an 87 billion dollar burden on tax payers but this administration said no to his proposal of taking away the tax break for the top 1% of the rich to pay for the war. What a disgrace this administration is, they lie, steal, smear, make up stories, special interest, create deficits, no jobs, and go after oil. Hope Kerry get’s them good. If you read this please open your eyes, we need to elect Kerry. Bye and god bless America

Posted by: robert at March 27, 2004 02:49 AM

Bush is the biggest flip flopper, liar, AWOL , Daddy’s little boy, who gets what he wants, never earns it, Smear Presidential Administration king, Making fun about the weapons of mass destruction and I quote “Where are they? not here.” “COuld they be here?” He thinks that was funny, tell that to the families of the 580 dead in Irak and to those whose lives were shattered, see if they would laugh. What a Bozo!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let’s get rid of the Dick, Colin and Bush and Get a real hero in the White House, “GO KERRY”, “GO KERRY”, SAVE AMERICA FROM THOSE SPECIAL INTERESTS LOVERS that have Genital and Orifice names. LEt’s get rid of Halliburton and give the troops the supplies they need, Kerry wanted to spare an 87 billion dollar burden on tax payers but this administration said no to his proposal of taking away the tax break for the top 1% of the rich to pay for the war. What a disgrace this administration is, they lie, steal, smear, make up stories, special interest, create deficits, no jobs, and go after oil. Hope Kerry get’s them good. If you read this please open your eyes, we need to elect Kerry. Bye and god bless America

Posted by: robert at March 27, 2004 02:49 AM

Bush is the biggest flip flopper, liar, AWOL , Daddy’s little boy, who gets what he wants, never earns it, Smear Presidential Administration king, Making fun about the weapons of mass destruction and I quote “Where are they? not here.” “COuld they be here?” He thinks that was funny, tell that to the families of the 580 dead in Irak and to those whose lives were shattered, see if they would laugh. What a Bozo!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let’s get rid of the Dick, Colin and Bush and Get a real hero in the White House, “GO KERRY”, “GO KERRY”, SAVE AMERICA FROM THOSE SPECIAL INTERESTS LOVERS that have Genital and Orifice names. LEt’s get rid of Halliburton and give the troops the supplies they need, Kerry wanted to spare an 87 billion dollar burden on tax payers but this administration said no to his proposal of taking away the tax break for the top 1% of the rich to pay for the war. What a disgrace this administration is, they lie, steal, smear, make up stories, special interest, create deficits, no jobs, and go after oil. Hope Kerry get’s them good. If you read this please open your eyes, we need to elect Kerry. Bye and god bless America

Posted by: robert at March 27, 2004 02:49 AM