Marc Racicot (that’s French, isn’t it?) whimpers that the Ds are being mean.

20 minutes later…MR avers, “The unpatriotic party has left us no choice but to respond in kind. It isn’t our fault, they started it.”

Bush/Rove/Rascal…whiners, liars. Sure that the voters are going to buy this transparent sc/ham again.

We indeed have two visions of government to stand behind…inept/irresponsible, or not.

Kerry (or any Dem) for Prez…isn’t the average U.S. IQ 100?; we’re smarter than Rove thinks we are.

Or “impeach by July…give us a Repub we can trust”

Posted by: carl at February 24, 2004 10:37 AM

Awesome!

Cannibals in The Republican Base…

It’s looking shaky for Georgie Porgie. Terrorists in the classrooms…children being left behind in Utah (they’re like mostly Rs right?)…down the Hatch. ArschenKraft is all over it.

Posted by: carl at February 24, 2004 10:52 AM

You are right, carl. A little trivia about Utah. In 1992, it was the only state in the union where Clinton came in third.

Posted by: Todd at February 24, 2004 11:30 AM

hmmm so carl, you are saying you trust DIck Cheney?

Posted by: billhedrick at February 24, 2004 11:36 AM

I’m sad. Saddam and Enron weren’t so bad. China gave us money. Everybody used to have fun. Oh, we did have to be mean sometimes, like when we scolded that bad man in Serbia. But mostly we were friends with everybody. France and Germany and the UN and Russia and China- they’re so smart and nice! And Fidel is so strong and wise! Now everybody is so mean. Rules are no fun if your friends don’t like them. I want the pretty New York lady to be president again.

Posted by: Jof at February 24, 2004 11:41 AM

Bill

Good point, but I didn’t say that Cheney could be trusted. Actually though, he was a CEO, so i guess he would do.

I’m from Wyoming. Dick is from Wyoming. People from Wyoming can be trusted.

Oh, he’s from TX? Yeah, the Constitution wouldn’t allow the P and the VP same state residency. Oh, then he’s not from Wyoming? Is he a flip-flopper?

Naw…impeach Bush for lying. Call Dick’s heart into question. Nobody wants him to do a face plant onto the Button if he had the Big One.

But this is a good exercise…what R could we trust?

oooh, ooooh…governor of a western state…Owens, Perry, Ahnuld, Freudenthal, Walker (nah, woman, weak on defense, besides Utah? aren’t they all terrorists out there?)

Posted by: carl at February 24, 2004 11:52 AM

way to play on people’s fear, george. what a scumbag.

Posted by: x at February 24, 2004 01:24 PM

x, you cowardly troll, come out and condemn the Palestinian tactic of using civilians as human shields, or have the guts to say you support it.

Posted by: Gabriel Hanna at February 24, 2004 01:52 PM

as someone else (i forget) might say: “caw caw! squawk!”

Posted by: x at February 24, 2004 04:17 PM

Bush is the ONLY choice, not a liar like kerry.

the only guy in military history to write commendations for himself for 3 purple hearts a siver and bronze star- all in the space of 3 1/2 months, three scratches, murdered a wounded vietnamese, and pulled in a drunken sailor after he fell overboard, -on a swift he commanded.
Then, knowing he had his 3 purple hearts, put in for stateside duty, and recieved it in an unpresidented 4 days, (payed to know the kennedy’s) then, proceeded to be an anti-war freek, faking throwing his medals away, all for his own spotlight.
Became a senator, and shreded records of MIA’s sighted in Nam, and a whole host of very crooked business.
Will this all come out? It seems it is.

ANYBODY but Bush, this is the cry from all the communists(democrats, fruits, and other anti-Americans) but it won’t succeed.
href=”http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php”>Senator Covered Up Evidence of P.O.W.’s Left Behind

href=”http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/page2.html”>Fake hero
<a Happy reading.

Looks like edwards is going to be the man for Dems, after kerry gets chewed up over issues like this, Edwards will be the last man standing

Posted by: Fat Guy at February 24, 2004 06:07 PM

x….
seems we have one of those allah freaks wishing death to bush.

It doesn’t matter what you say here, X, we know what you are. Allah is a rock you dumb bastard.
Bush is doing a good job cleaning up all those sicko’s who think a rock told them to take over the world, murder people.

Posted by: Fat Guy at February 24, 2004 06:17 PM

Fake hero

Posted by: Fat Guy at February 24, 2004 06:20 PM

X,

You think Bush is fear mongering here? What about his speech is fear mongering?

What exactly do we know about John Kerry right now that you think we are misunderstanding? And can you prove to us on any single issue of John Kerry that we are wrong about him?

As far as I can tell… You anti-war, peaceniks, have been defined by the President of the United States. If you don’t like it then you must not like yourself very much.

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at February 24, 2004 07:05 PM

“It is a choice between an America that leads the world with strength and confidence, or an America that is uncertain in the face of danger.”

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Hell, he even uses the word uncertain in the speech!

Posted by: x at February 24, 2004 08:12 PM

Again I have no idea where this ‘Fear Mongering’ is coming from unless you can for the first time ever,

D E C I P H E R Peacenik? I sure can’t. No one that followed the peacenik philosophy on the war on terrorism has the slightest clue what these people want.

What the hell does ‘Understand our enemies’ supposed to mean and how does that mean increase safety and security for our country?

What? How do you even ‘TRANSLATE’ peacenik?

When President Bush is saying, “It is a choice between an America that leads the world with strength and confidence, or an America that is uncertain in the face of danger.”

What he is saying is that should America face Terrorism with force and confidence or should we do what exactly? Sit around on our butts debating what is ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ about any particular act of force we can take against our enemies?

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at February 24, 2004 08:16 PM

I am sick and tired of the Anti-War peaceniks out there.

I want some specifics. You have no idea how hard I have tryed to get specifics out of these people.

All I get is a bunch of mumbo jumbo non sense without any specific course of action!

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at February 24, 2004 08:18 PM

Just be calm Jeff….we’ll end up squashing them like bugs for another generation. Killing unborn children, fucking a man up the ass, anti religion, and against every institution we believe in….its the slippery slope….but there are WAY more of us ‘good’ people who can fight back and take them down….its only a matter of time.

Posted by: DickD at February 24, 2004 08:23 PM

Off Topic.

Thank you Nikita. Original Post .

A photo of Jane Fonda with Kerry about ten rows back and a caption stating that they were “very close”. That’s what’s called desperation.

But to have your photo taken with hanoi jane is one of the biggest insults to the memory of the 58 thousand who lost their lives in Nam.

What’s worse is to be ‘framed’ no pun intented.

As it turn out the photo was doctored. After citing the photo in a news story that said its “origins are unclear,” the New York Times later reported it was a hoax created by combining two different pictures.

THE 2004 CAMPAIGN; McCain Fights Old Foe Who Now Fights Kerry

Mr. Sampley is not the only person actively seeking to discredit Mr. Kerry. In recent days, a picture showing Mr. Kerry at a podium with Ms. Fonda has circulated on the Internet. But the picture is a hoax, according to the photo agency that owns the original, Corbis. In the original photo, Mr. Kerry is alone at the podium.

Nikita. I learning quickly that I have to be suspicious of the intergrity of what you post.

Posted by: Anthony at February 24, 2004 08:24 PM

My apologies to Nikita and to you all. It looks like I jumped the gun. The photo that was doctored was not the one presented by Nikita.

In this original photo from June 13, 1970, John Kerry prepared to give a speech at the Register for Peace Rally in Mineola, N.Y. (Photo by Ken Light/Corbis); This doctored photo circulating on the Internet places Jane Fonda, an outspoken critic of the Vietnam War, next to John Kerry.

Posted by: Anthony at February 24, 2004 08:29 PM

Moral coward x once again refuses to answer a direct question—so where do you stand on Palestinians killing Israelis just before their case went to the ICJ? You were so quick to condemn the IDF.

Posted by: Gabriel Hanna at February 24, 2004 09:16 PM

What difference does it make if Kerry and Fonda were never in the same picture!!? They were in the same groups, and even organized together….why are the dems running from such an explanation!! ha ha ha

Posted by: DickD at February 24, 2004 09:27 PM

John Kerry has been quite dishonest, of late, about exactly what he testified to before Congress.

He said quite specifically that American soldiers were committing war crimes with the full knowledge of the whole chain of command. Now, he says, he was just indicting the leadership for abandoning the soldiers—but the transcript speaks for itself.

Posted by: Gabriel Hanna at February 24, 2004 09:57 PM

Gabe: Where is the transcript?

Posted by: Anthony at February 24, 2004 10:23 PM

Hello Anthony,

(Psst Gabriel: I got your back!!)

“Mr. Kerry testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 21, 1971, as the VVAW spokesman. Sen. Kerry’s campaign Website mentions this event in passing. The VVAW gives a transcript of Mr. Kerry’s testimony on its Website, which it hails as “his greatest contribution to the antiwar movement and to VVAW.”
Mr. Kerry opened by stating “war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, [are] not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.” According to tales related by Mr. Kerry, Americans had “raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam.” As to what endangered America, Mr. Kerry stated “the crimes threaten it, not Reds.”

A simple Lexis Nexus search or something like that can dig up the transcript itself. But this gives Anthony a means to find that transcript in a public library.

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at February 24, 2004 11:17 PM

Just had a nagging feeling that Anthony won’t do the research.

http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Manifestos/VVAW_Kerry_Senate.html

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at February 24, 2004 11:23 PM

“We rationalized destroying villages in order to save them. We saw America lose her sense of morality as she accepted very coolly a My Lai and refused to give up the image of American soldiers who hand out chocolate bars and chewing gum.

We learned the meaning of free fire zones, shooting anything that moves, and we watched while America placed a cheapness on the lives of orientals.”

“We watched the United States falsification of body counts, in fact the glorification of body counts.”

“Someone has to die so that President Nixon won’t be, and these are his words, “the first President to lose a war.”

We are asking Americans to think about that because how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?….We are here in Washington to say that the problem of this war is not just a question of war and diplomacy. It is part and parcel of everything that we are trying as human beings to communicate to people in this country - the question of racism “

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at February 24, 2004 11:29 PM

I promise this is the last quote from John Kerry,

“Where is the leadership? Where are they now that we, the men they sent off to war, have returned?
The Army says they never leave their wounded. The marines say they never even leave their dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a pious shield of public rectitude. They’ve left the real stuff of their reputations bleaching behind them in the sun in this country….

We wish that a merciful God could wipe away our own memories of that service as easily as this administration has wiped away their memories of us.”

And John Kerry wants to WIPE AWAY THE MEMORY of HIS SPEECH!

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at February 24, 2004 11:39 PM

Jeff:

Thanks for the links. I appreciate your willingness to provide links.

// Just had a nagging feeling that Anthony won’t do the research. //

This statement is unfair. I’ve done quite a bit a research and have more often then not posted links to substantiate my claims. My time is also limited. Please understand that I won’t always be able to read whatever you are presenting due to family obligations.

Lexis Nexus? Is there an inexpensive way to search it?

BTW, you might want to check out this out. It is much more extensive recount of Kerry’s speech.

KERRY’S TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE, APRIL 22, 1971

Posted by: Anthony at February 25, 2004 03:40 AM

“Please understand that I won’t always be able to read whatever you are presenting due to family obligations”

That tis what I meant really…. I had the feeling you wouldn’t do the research. For whatever reasons I don’t really care.

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at February 25, 2004 01:43 PM

Jeff:
I didn’t say I would not do the research. In fact, did you notice that I handed you a link that is the complete Kerry statement to the Senate. Did you think this pop out of thin air?

Please note the bold-faced word following the statement I made earlier. This is the same statement you quoted.

Please understand that I won’t always be able to read whatever you are presenting due to family obligations.”

I will read Kerry’s Statement in its entirety - will you? We can discuss if you’d like.

Posted by: Anthony at February 25, 2004 02:38 PM

Jeff, that’s a cheap shot. I don’t always agree with Anthony, in fact, I rarely do. But as Democrats go, he’s a pretty sharp guy, who almost always reads the links people post, and posts many reliable, unbiased ones of his own. I’d rather have one of him here than the rest of these trolls put together. Your comments make it too easy for conservatives to be pigeonholed as meanspirited.

Posted by: johnnymozart at February 25, 2004 05:31 PM

Liberals will call conservatives, mean spirited and bullies and ruthless and vile no matter what we do. We could all be lap dogs and carpets and the liberals would still scream Mean Spirited hogwash.

So… It’s my goal to show them what meanspirited ‘actually’ is.

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at February 25, 2004 06:21 PM

Another thing is that I can not tell the difference between a Peacenik and a Terrorist. Why should I waste my breath and give these people any credibility let along respect??

The same group of people against the war in Iraq are the same group that blocked a shipment of supplies that were being sent out to our troops in Iraq. Thus endangering our troops lives over there.

The same Anti-war, I’m against the war, peaceniks are the same people that fell silent and deadly silent about every single one of Clinton’s wars and thus there PARTISAN Hypocricy is unquestionable.

These are the same people Saddam Hussein hired. These ar the same people Saddam Hussein depended on. These are the people of Vietnam.

I am with Ted Nugent when he said it felt good to punch out a Hippe. I wish I was old enough to have lived in that era and punched out a couple hippes myself.

It appears to me that Anthony has probably looked at the entire thing and come away with the ‘notion’ that Kerry was telling the truth and was just angry about the administration and leadership.

It is easy to read the entire piece and completely forget how much his words stung in the side of Vietnam Veterans, because it is so lengthy and slightly confusing.

But the gist of it is that Kerry went way overboard on this speech. He attacks the administration (all of them) and he even later goes into a diatribe attacking all vietnam soldiers.

He attacks the Marines and the Army. “Where is the leadership? Where are they now that we, the men they sent off to war, have returned?
The Army says they never leave their wounded. The marines say they never even leave their dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a pious shield of public rectitude. They’ve left the real stuff of their reputations bleaching behind them in the sun in this country….

No sir. John Kerry has bleached the human spirit out of this country. And all of his followers, in my eyes, are just as bad as he is.

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at February 25, 2004 06:31 PM

I deliberately did not post the transcript Anthony; I was confident you’d look it up yourself.

The Village Voice, hardly a GOP house organ, is currently accusing Kerry of covering up POW-MIA in the Senate.

http://villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php

Posted by: Gabriel Hanna at February 25, 2004 06:54 PM

Jeff:

I find you diatribe vulgar. You dismiss me before I get a hearing? What are you afraid of?

// Another thing is that I can not tell the difference between a Peacenik and a Terrorist. //

Really? I’m curious. Tell me more.

// The same group of people against the war in Iraq are the same group that blocked a shipment of supplies that were being sent out to our troops in Iraq. //

What are you talking about? I didn’t block any shipments to troops. Would I? No. You must be talking about someone else.

// These are the same people Saddam Hussein hired. These are the same people Saddam Hussein depended on. //

Who are ‘the same people.’ Saddam didn’t promise me any oil?

You want to paint liberals with one broad stoke (stereotyping). Is that the way you see conservatives? Do you all ‘think alike” on every issue? I don’t think so. I suspect you think that anyone who criticises his own country is a traitor and/or unpatriotic and/or a communist etc… Is that right?

Posted by: Anthony at February 25, 2004 07:52 PM

Anthony, as your libertarian-right conjoined twin, I got your back—literally—and Jeff is out of line.

Posted by: Gabriel Hanna at February 26, 2004 12:42 AM

Thanks Gage. And I’m a liberal with conservative-libertarian leanings. I geuss that makes me a political mongrel.

Posted by: Anthony at February 26, 2004 08:36 AM

I really screwed that one up. Just got up; no coffee in my veins.

Thanks Gabe. I’m actually liberal with conservative-libertarian leanings. I guess that makes me a political mongrel.

I have found some conservative/libertarian ideas compelling (for real). As conjointed twins, I know we share alot. Now I know why I find these ideas so compelling. (joking)

Posted by: Anthony at February 26, 2004 08:43 AM

jm - thanks.

Posted by: Anthony at February 26, 2004 02:19 PM