Here’s a nice little article about Kerry. He was groomed by the best…..Ed Kennedy.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110521,00.html

Posted by: Jeff B at February 13, 2004 09:38 AM

I don’t want to hear any crap about how this is a ‘dirty trick’. He likes to make beds all over the place, fine. He can sleep in ‘em. Either it is true or it is not true, and as I see it, he has been accused of having an adulterous relationship. It would be a ‘so what’, except we’ve been through this with one Democrat already. ‘Buck up’, BigBoy. Adultery ain’t the only thing you may be guilty of.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at February 13, 2004 09:52 AM

DOC: Mornin’ Sounds like a dirty trick … Sucks we must of cross-posted.

Posted by: Anthony at February 13, 2004 10:05 AM

Anthony
what do you mean by “Mornin’ Sounds like a dirty trick”

Posted by: carl at February 13, 2004 10:37 AM

Hey Cap’n Doc

Look out, you might be getting snookered. You know I respect your position(s), so please don’t take offense. This is how the dirty tricks use you…

One anti-candidate “news source” makes an allegation and others report the story of the allegation. Then a scumbag like Ann Coulter takes the allegation out of context and reports it like fact.

The allegation has enough slime and disgust that decent people clap their hands over their mouths…”you don’t say, well then i can’t support that bad person.”

And the allegation might be true. OR NOT. It just hangs there like a pile of crud.

Just “media” manipulation. that’s fine, it’s America. And there are no laws against it.

The question is - “what can decent people do?”

Posted by: carl at February 13, 2004 10:46 AM

As far as I see, this is just black propaganda by the Kerry campaign ahead of Dean’s last chance is WI. You can count on primary voters rallying around him now.

Posted by: The Yangban at February 13, 2004 10:58 AM

and just to take one more step in the direction of cynicism…
two days ago, the media and the left that were shouting ‘awol’ were on the verge of having to face reality, defend their statements, and perhaps even apologize (ahh, just forget that last one). but now, kerry will undoubtedly be unfairly treated (irrespective of the truth) if only because there are simply too many people out there that need to behave. how fortunate for various members of democratic party - they can save face by claiming tit for tat (that’s not some sort of weird pun either). don’t hold your breath for that awol apology. i do believe that the world has just moved on.

this need not be a republican dirty trick - particularly so if its a baseless rumor easily defended.

Posted by: wafflestomper at February 13, 2004 11:10 AM

Yes, carl, we’ve just seen how dirty tricks are done:

re: Bush
“Not that you’d necessarily want to go to the trouble, but compare Bush’s autobio with those recently released records. Don’t add up. Kinda like a lot of things, huh? Oh, also heard that the Boston Globe got those documents from the guy who runs www.democrats.com. Is this the kind of tainted information you want to use to try to exonerate Chickenhawk in Chief?

vis:

re: Kerry

“And the allegation might be true. OR NOT. It just hangs there like a pile of crud.”

You have been the steadiest, most ardent supporter of the tactic in recent days.

The question is - “what can decent people do?”

Good question - one that you are incapable of answering, as has become obvioous by your attempts to smear Bush with the deserter/AWOL brush using innuendo and ‘artful’ witticisms.

When are you going to retract those statements and apologize for them, and the others like them? Decent people don’t fling crap at the wall, in the hopes that something will stick.

Posted by: CERDIP at February 13, 2004 11:10 AM

CERDIP
i’m prepared to back up anything that i’ve written with research and links.

1. In “A Charge to Keep”, Bush’s representation of his flying status is in direct contradiction to the statements and records from his NG service. Don’t have the book handy, but will give you exact quotes soon.

2. Boston Globe got the information from the website i mentioned. it was in the BP article. And www.democrats.com is an anti-Bushy site, not sponsored by the DNC.

3. I was pointing out that the information being used to clear Bush was being supplied by someone who JUST MIGHT have a reason not to want him exonerated. That it might be worth a look to see if the story fit the headline.

Deserter and AWOL have specific definitions in UCMJ. It still appears that this one isn’t dead, huh?

“and others like them.” What others are you talking about? Or do you just not like having stuff brought up about Georgie Porgie? If you have a problem with anything I have written, please let me know what it is. I will be happy to do your work for you.

typical trick to take comments out of context…

“just hangs there” refers to the media game of reporting allegation and turning then into fact. But of course, you knew that.

thanks for the compliment—i thought that my hard comic work was being wasted.

no retractions will be forthcoming. i apologize when appropriate, and have done so. I see nothing in your post to apologize for.

And ain’t this another conservative ploy? Get those soft-hearted, soft-headed liberals on the run. I’ve been through way worse than you are dishing.

And my question still is “What can decent people do?” Didn’t see any response in your post. Decent people tell the truth about the crap; others say that the person telling the truth caused the crap.

Here’s another one that you have conveniently overlooked - “What are y’all so proud of?” Your Boy George is a loser. Starting with Harken. Do you really need a link on that?

Posted by: carl at February 13, 2004 11:34 AM

Carl - you may not realize it - and from reading your response I think you don’t - but your use of the “And the allegation might be true. OR NOT. It just hangs there like a pile of crud.” tactic is so painfully obvious. Pretty every post of yours drips with its use in attempting to smear Bush, and other people that object to your use of it. It doesn’t matter how much research you’ve supplied, or not.

The ANG issue is dead-except in the minds of those that want it to continue. The records are there, and public, and have been available to the accusers since 2000, but kept suppressed The “records-cleansing” crap has been shown to be propogated by a liear with an axe to grind. You wonder how I know this ? Do you rown careful research.

What’s your axe?

Posted by: CERDIP at February 13, 2004 11:44 AM

Remember when having sex with an underling was sexual harrassment by definition? The inbalance of power argument? What happened with that btw? Only applies to the evil CEOs? Democratic politicians are good people, so for them its just a private affair. Where is NOW? Oh thats right, out trying to figure out what happened to their credibility when they defended Bill Clinton by doing the polar opposite of everything they claimed to stand for.

Posted by: mark buehner at February 13, 2004 11:50 AM

the boston globe is backing up from the awol meme.

doubts raised on bush accuser

its the same source, carl. but in your opinion - compared to the awol story, does this story have the more, less, or about the same level of creedance?

Posted by: wafflestomper at February 13, 2004 11:56 AM

sorry cerdip, i wouldn’t have provided that link if i would i would have carefully read your post.

Posted by: wafflestomper at February 13, 2004 12:00 PM

cerdip:

Frankly I’m not interested in Bush’s NG record. McClellan has released enough records now to make it abundantly clear that the establishment bent over backwards to keep W nominally in the Guard.

What I really want to know about is the cocaine.

Posted by: xfrosch at February 13, 2004 12:13 PM

yeah, i don’t think he will be able to hook you up

Posted by: wafflestomper at February 13, 2004 12:17 PM

Waffle
How do you like my cool HTML stuff? It’s always the teacher who’s responsible, and the student who gets the cred. Thanks a lot!

Didn’t read the whole thing, but lessee here…
he happens to be in the office when the secret, inflammatory call comes in.
it’s put on the speakerphone
his corroborator says, “zero, zip, nada”
Burkett has an axe to grind with the Guard.

Nah, i don’t think so.

The AWOL story is juicier. The missing documents were reported by the BG, but they came from an anti-Bush source. The explanation offered by the WH still sounds like the kinda crap i used to try to get away with in junior high. The records don’t quite jibe. dental records are definitive proof. Dates are off. Bush, et al are using waffle words (no offense intended) And the volume from the WH is on 11. fishy. probably won’t be resolved.

have to admit that another scenario crossed my devious mind (must be something about people named carl/karl). rove set this up to put the issue to bed. “see this AWOL thing is all a big lie, anyone can see through this. now can we get on with the people’s business?”

so i have a high level of confidence that Burkett is BS. will wait and see on the AWOL. it’s not done. researching one little tidbit on the draft dodger thingy.

Posted by: carl at February 13, 2004 12:17 PM

“And the allegation might be true. OR NOT. It just hangs there like a pile of crud.” - carl

Posted by: CERDIP at February 13, 2004 12:20 PM

Waffle

No issue. I had already seen the story. CERDIP wants me to put links in my posts to back up every assertion. we got a pissin’ match goin’ on. i can see his point.

it’s good training for me. with all those links, i get to practice my HTML.

Posted by: carl at February 13, 2004 12:22 PM

posts are looking sweet, carl!
still don’t agree with most of what you have to say,
but a damn lot more pleasureable to read!

Posted by: wafflestomper at February 13, 2004 12:22 PM

got penmanship 101 down

brb, gotta go to logic class

Posted by: carl at February 13, 2004 12:32 PM

you can probably extend thanks to pass the gas, too. he (perhaps unknowingly) taught me most of the tricks i know. (he doesn’t agree with most of what i say either)

Posted by: wafflestomper at February 13, 2004 12:37 PM

On another thread, I mentioned another
Demo story that they KNOW is False.

The TOTAL crap about “Bush’s personal
gain” with no ownership, etc. etc. etc.

The Army Corps of Engineers used
Halliburton in Kosovo because of
special skills.

I will have to check again but I believe
I have seen that they have been gov.
contractors since at least the 1970’s.

They are used BY ALL Administrations
because of what they can do.

In other words, Haliburton and the gov.
relationship started before Reagan.

Posted by: leaddog2 at February 13, 2004 12:41 PM

Leaddog-

will stand by the Halliburton question. overcharges. no compete contracts. company zoomed in terms of gov’t contracts when Cheney got there. They’ve been around forever. Cheney’s arrival helped them a bunch. It appears to be continuing. Why shouldn’t that be questioned?

WaffleStomper
I’m not allowed to talk with Pass The Gas anymore. Apparently I’m a sycophant or a pissant.

Posted by: carl at February 13, 2004 12:56 PM

Carl - ‘I’m not allowed to talk with Pass The Gas anymore.’

When did THAT happen? Is it something YOU said, or something HE said? LOL.

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at February 13, 2004 01:27 PM

it was a joke Cap’n

I was accused of being ready to go to MA to marry Gas because i agreed with him. i was called “sycophant.” along with Arrogant and Repugnant and Liberal. for some, name calling takes the place of honest thinking and dialogue.

because some think that i’m a liberal (not entirely-“Compassionate Conservative” actually got my attention), they think that i’ll turn and run from getting beat up. It’s another one of those sleazy tricks. “put words in their mouth, thoughts in their heads, emotions in their heart and then beat the crap out of ‘em for being that way.”

This is why Bush might win, some people would rather fight than think.

On that “Compassionate Conservative”…i was going along with it, until Boy George stole McCain’s Reformer campaign button and CC disappeared. That was the first time i can recall thinking that i might have been jobbed.

Posted by: carl at February 13, 2004 02:07 PM

Leaddog says “stay on topic!”

Have you seen the damning link on Drudge Report? “Dad: I think he’s a sleazeball…”

The link takes you to a high class British publication Guess Georgie Porgie is ahead in the UK.

from the article:

“by the parents of a young woman he allegedly tried to woo” [to be part of his campaign.]

“There is no evidence the pair had an affair, but her father Terry, 56, said: ‘I think he’s a sleazeball. I did kind of wonder if my daughter didn’t get that kind of feeling herself.” Didn’t he ask her before he got all the Republicans in the country lathered up?

Posted by: carl at February 13, 2004 02:19 PM

So its the lady-in-question’s father that is now the target of Carl’s poo-flinging.

Classy.

Kepp on grinding that ol’ axe, carl.

Posted by: CERDIP at February 13, 2004 02:26 PM

Ex-Guardsman Says Bush Served in Ala.

quote:

“A retired Alabama Air National Guard officer said Friday that he remembers George W. Bush showing up for duty in Alabama in 1972, reading safety magazines and flight manuals in an office as he performed his weekend obligations.

“I saw him each drill period,” retired Lt. Col. John “Bill” Calhoun said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press from Daytona Beach, Fla.”

Posted by: CERDIP at February 13, 2004 02:51 PM

CERDIP-

Those were quotes from the article. I didn’t originate them.

thought i made that clear

from the article:

Posted by: carl at February 13, 2004 03:07 PM

CERDIP
I just got this horrible sinking feeling.

You’re being purposefully obtuse. You’re doing that Karl thing to me.

I bet you knew that those links were from a rag in the UK. You’re just trying to get me going, aren’t you?

You sly dog. You almost got me there.

Posted by: carl at February 13, 2004 03:12 PM

What are you on about ? That link goes to a Yahoo posting of an AP story.

Posted by: CERDIP at February 13, 2004 03:17 PM

A United States Senator calls up a 24 year old girl to work for his campaign?

Personally?

He’s set his feet in concrete in any event. “Nothing to report, No.” If he doesn’t skate completely, he’s opened himself for the double charge of adultery plus outright lying. Deja vu.

Posted by: jeffers at February 13, 2004 03:17 PM

Oh, BTW - cartoon here

Posted by: CERDIP at February 13, 2004 03:20 PM

CERDIP I think Carl is a tad new at the BlogGame, so he doesn’t yet know you’re playin’ for the Expos. :o)

Love the ‘toon. Love the Calhoun quote, too.

When you gonna switch to the Lightweight tackle?

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at February 13, 2004 03:58 PM

CERDIP-

don’t know what you got with the link to the UK rag. If you’re interested, go to drudgereport.com and click on “Dad..sleazeball…”

i just tried it.

And to think that these people are for Bush.

CERDIP is that your blog? You been hiding in the weeds. Why aren’t you voting? Are you a furriner trying to influence U.S. politics? Man, i’m watching out for you.

I heard that something like 70% or more of your fellow country Canadians are hoping for a regime change in DC.

Man i can’t believe how you snookered me.

Gullible liberal…same guy who believed Compassionate Conservative.

Dumb S*&ts for Bush…we don’t know any better, and we deserve what we get.

Posted by: carl at February 13, 2004 04:15 PM

Carl It’s the Air. Get up close and personal with the Grand Tetons. CERDIP is not the only one who visits here with FriendlyFire. His English is excellent. :o)

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at February 13, 2004 04:24 PM

“brb, gotta go to logic class”

Take your time.

Posted by: mark buehner at February 13, 2004 04:52 PM

Mark

OWIE that really hurts! Mommy, Markie is hurting me!

Did you have something to say? Do you have something to offer that indicates that i need to spend more time in logic class?

Glad to be of service as your punching bag.

Posted by: carl at February 13, 2004 05:52 PM

Woolie-Bullie… :o)

Posted by: Cap'n DOC at February 13, 2004 06:14 PM

Big dump of records from the White House. “hundreds of pages” according to overwhelmed CNN reporter.

Stay tuned for barking moonbats of the lunatic left to move the goal posts again.

“Yeah but, Bush flew the F-102. Why didn’t he fly the F-4 or F-105 ? huh ? Huh ? HUH? The American people have a right to know! “

Posted by: CERDIP at February 13, 2004 06:37 PM

Glad to be of service as your punching bag. The pleasure is ours.

Posted by: lewy14 at February 13, 2004 08:11 PM

Been pretty busy here, Carl, several times your usual posting volume.

Feeling the need for a little damage control, are we?

Save the spew.

We got 9/11 and an embarrasing impeachment out of the last perv you fielded, never again.

Posted by: jeffers at February 14, 2004 06:59 AM