Trying to steal the thunder from Kerry, I bet. Disrupt Kerry a bit, and get him to spend money earlier than is wise.

Posted by: FH at February 5, 2004 01:30 PM

I believe this could be a very wise thing for the President to do. I would advise Dubya that the best way to settle this once and for all is to make “total war” on the problem, to not only confront it, but attack it, and challenge Levin and Rockefeller and that drunken windbag Kennedy….Dubya should totally frank about the intelligence failures and why he is still convinced that he made the right decision, even if the CIA and NSA (and every other intelligence organ in the world) mis-informed him (and Clinton and Bush 41 and the U.N. and France, etc) ….he should insist, demand and scream for an immediate congressional investigation into the intelligence failure, and dare the Dems once and for all to prove their charges that he was lying or misleading…he should offer to go so far as to break precedent and offer to testify before that committee himself…take on Carl Levin and Jay Rockefeller and Ted Kennedy head on, let the American people see them in action and then see him in action….they’ll see right through the gamesmanship and power-mongering of the Dems…he’ll make them look like the small people they are…He can tell them he was acting on the best information he had in the interests of the safety of the American people, and tell everyone he’d do it again if the circumstances were exactly the same, and then say to the American people “I’ll leave it to you to let me know in November whether you think I did the wrong thing.”

He needs to not only settle the issue but suck the oxygen out of his detractors’ argument….I tell you the American people would rally behind him, I’m convinced of it….

Posted by: Chris at February 5, 2004 02:40 PM

Well said, Chris.

I nearly cheered just reading your post. I suspect you’re absolutely right.

Posted by: johnnymozart at February 5, 2004 04:14 PM

Bush will crush Kerry.

Bush will win 60% of the electoral votes.

I’m willing to consider a friendly wager…

-nikita

Posted by: nikita demosthenes at February 5, 2004 04:31 PM

“he should insist, demand and scream for an immediate congressional investigation into the intelligence failure, and dare the Dems once and for all to prove their charges that he was lying or misleading…”

i agree that he should appoint an independent investigation into how and why he was given faulty intelligence. he should make heads roll.

but he won’t. why? because that’s admitting that he made a mistake, something which herr leader does not have in his character.

Posted by: x at February 5, 2004 04:37 PM

X

You’re Trolling again! Oh well,
it’s to be expected, I suppose.

Nikita, I hope you are right
but X is an example of why
I believe the election will be
closer than that.

Kerry is NOT as far left looney
as McGovern. Wait a minute!

Maybe he is! Time will tell.

Posted by: leaddog2 at February 5, 2004 05:09 PM

“
The top official at the Central Intelligence Agency Thursday said that his agency never claimed Iraq’s weapons program was an immediate threat to the United States.
“

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040205-015646-7035r

Bush would never do what you suggest because if he threatened the people that gave him the intel, those people would turn on him in a second. I doubt he has people with enough loyalty to “Ollie north” (i.e. take the fall) for him.

Posted by: dave at February 5, 2004 05:22 PM

But having been dissed, crawfished, starved for funds and now denied access even to the notes made by four commission members chosen to see a key Presidential briefing—the one at which Mr. Bush learned, five weeks before 9/11, that Osama bin Laden and his terrorists were an imminent threat—at least some of the commissioners feel insulted.

From:
Bob Kerrey Says 9/11 Group Meets With Condoleezza

Posted by: scoooby at February 5, 2004 09:21 PM

Cheerleader from Andover

Posted by: scoooby at February 5, 2004 09:23 PM

Chris, Johnny Mozart…

It is not going to happen. Bush is a puss. He will get someone else to fight just like “Bring ‘Em On” in Iraq. And McCain ambush in South Carolina. He’s a chickenhawk. I don’t know what you see, but I have never seen “totally frank.” I see budgets that are understated without even support for the folks giving their lives in Iraq. This budget is not the truth; could it be a lie? Is it small to accuse the Commander in Chief of lying? Yes, Bush; No, Clinton.

This guy prances for photo ops. He is a Northeastern privileged character just like Kennedy and Kerry and Dukakis. The only difference is that his helmet fits.

He’s a one termer. Rove’s lying, underhanded Texas crap won’t work any more. Unless people don’t think or don’t remember or continue to believe the R party line. Biggest increase in unemployment, surplus to biggest deficit in one term, international relationships damaged. Why would you possibly want more? Unless you’re big business or potential campaign contributor, you’re getting screwed.

Posted by: carl at February 6, 2004 01:00 PM

This just in…

take a look at this information on GWB’s military service

http://www.calpundit.com/archives/003189.html

The re-election folks have a big problem—the military service question. course GWB and Karl started it with that aircraft carrier photo op—here’s the CinC; he was a military man.

They are his records. He’s the Commander in Chief. Why doesn’t he release the records and be done with it?

Posted by: carl at February 6, 2004 01:18 PM

Someone doesn’t read more than the DNC website, I see.

Regarding Bush’s service: Turnipseed RECANTED, mister. He now says he DOESN‘T REMEMBER whether or not Bush checked in when requested.

This came up after the NY Times, CNN, and the VFW all checked the records, including interviewing his fellow Guardsmen. Bottom line: Bush served MORE than the required amount of time, and his fellow pilots described Bush as “one of the best”.

As for the USS Lincoln, Bush trusted his safety to a Navy pilot, and gave a big morale boost to the sailors, just as he did when he visited Baghdad. I can see how that sticks in the craw of Democrats, but the fact is, Bush sticks up for his troops, and they know it.

As for the war, he planned it well, directed it well, and gave credit to the men who fought it well.

It’s telling, really, that the Democrats are reduced to trying the same stunts they did in 2000 (look it up and you will see the same claims, lies then just like now), which tells me they are afraid to face Bush on the record.

I’d be a whole lot less happy if I had to figger out how to spin Kerry’s record as a Senator, than Bush’s record as President.

Posted by: GDubya at February 6, 2004 03:20 PM

calpundit is not the DNC website. Haven’t been to the DNC website. Not a Democrat’s craw…rather Republican from Wyoming…a rancher getting screwed over by Ann Beneman’s policies favoring big business agriculture.

Same claims as in 2000, because they weren’t answered then. Release the records, instead of relying on friends to spin the story. The records are complete…somewhere. The CinC could just ask that they be released…end of story.

Spin this…from surplus to deficit in one term. GWB saying we are going to use just a tiny bit of the surplus (look at RNC site for address to joint session on budget), and SURPRISE! it’s all gone.

Spin this…increase in DoD budget, but nothing for Iraq or Afghanistan. Fairy tales. And, here’s a good one, let’s blame Kerry for not supporting the troops.

Gave credit to the people who fought it…maybe. Got rid of Saddam, fantastic!!! directed it, nope. planned it, nope. told the truth about it, we’ll see what the commission says. certainly didn’t plan what to do when our boys beat theirs. And now, after “Screw coalition”, “Kofi, please help me get out of this mess.” Too bad, he can’t insider trade the mess in Iraq like he did with Harken. Oh, wait…he got a pass on that too. That was all vetted during 2000.

And then let’s talk about the record (and please don’t bring up Clinton, he’s gone. Just stick to the GWB record. “Better than Clinton” won’t wash). From surplus to deficit (but it’s not my fault). No WMD (yet…but we can never know for sure, Iraq is a pretty big place; Kay probably is a gay liberal from Massachusetts, why else would he be behaving like one of those DNC bleeding hearts? AND it’s not my fault). Loss of more jobs than anyone since Hoover. (but it’s not my fault) Oh wait, there’s Homeland Security. Hold on, this just in. There’s an orange alert! Don’t you feel so much safer?

Hey the record is clear. Political gain, thumbs up! Contributors, thumbs up! Lot of feel-good words so that conservatives can feel safe that those Democrats are gone. Talk is cheap; what record are y’all so proud of? Facts, not ad hominen attacks…unless you’ve got a weak case.

Posted by: carl at February 6, 2004 04:20 PM

”Well, then it comes rating time, and someone says, `Oh…he hasn’t fulfilled his obligation.’ I’ll bet someone called him up and said, `George, you’re in a pickle. Get your ass down here and perform some duty.’ And he did,” Lloyd said. That would explain, Lloyd said, the records showing Bush cramming so many drills into May, June, and July 1973. During those three months, Bush spent 36 days on duty.”

Not desertion. Not anything terribly evil or heinous. Maybe not even actionable. Mostly its just typical ‘W’ irresponsibility and lack of character. I still wonder, why are we conservatives fighting so hard for this spoiled Daddy’s pet? Hell, he’s not even a real conservative — he’s spending bucketloads of OUR money ‘cause he’s too wimpish to veto the pork. He’s nation-building in Iraq—and weeping about their lack of rights till I think I’m hearing Jimmy Carter. He wants to spend MY money bringing home more moon rocks till I think I’m hearing a damn Kennedy. He hasn’t got one fiftieth the sense that his father had. And he’s clearly lying about his National Guard time. If he won’t release his records, if he won’t bother to get his own story straight, why are WE going to the mat for him?

http://billhobbs.com/hobbsonline/003235.html

Posted by: scoooby at February 6, 2004 05:05 PM

Scoooby’s quote comes from the Boston Globe…apologies for the long URL. Oh wait, that’s Kerry and Teddy territory…they are probably lying Northeastern Liberals.

http://web.archive.org/web/20000619121358/http:/www.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/One_year_gap_in_Bush_s_Guard_duty+.shtml

Lloyd is referring to the torn record referenced at http://www.calpundit.com/archives/003189.html. Question that it is even GWB’s records.

Not for Kerry; am for an honorable President. thought that’s what we were getting in 2000. Fooled again.

Posted by: carl at February 6, 2004 05:31 PM

Well, every time I see an accusation that Bush lied, I investigate it and find that the lie isn’t there. It’s very easy to call someone a liar, especially when you say it to people who hate that person already, but when it comes to providing concrete proof of Bush’s lies, everyone clams up. Democrats just love to badmouth Bush, and your average moderate is sick of it. Sure, I disagree with some of his policies, but I disagree with the Democratic candidates a lot more.

I guess if you hear something often enough, and it’s what you want to hear, you’ll accept it without any serious consideration.

Posted by: Alex Dale at February 6, 2004 05:58 PM

“Ad hominen”, hmmm. This from someone who won’t even ask why General Turnipseed recanted his claims, why the Boston Globe (yeah, THEM) admitted Bush has an honorable discharge and appears to have served all his requirements, why the NY Times (a true Right-Wing rag, I’m sure) says there is NO VALIDITY to claims against Bush. But I guess the news just isn’t as, what “cool” as Mr. Moore and his lies?

Funny, since I was explaining the flaws in the claims against Bush, that makes them unsubstantiated. And an unsubstantiated claim is very like an Ad Hominem attack, now isn’t it?

Want to talk about Iraq? Ask the men who’ve served there, or better yet, notice how they react to Bush when he visits them. If you rely on Dan Rather, you’re buying Rather’s Ad Hominem attacks on Bush.

Want to talk about the Economy? Unemployment is the lowest in 2 years, not great but getting better, GDP is up, Wall Street is up, Housing Starts are up, Consumer Confidence is up.

Gee, there’s nothing left for the Democrats, EXCEPt Ad Hominem attacks.

What a surprise!

Posted by: GDubya at February 6, 2004 06:14 PM

Okay, not that it will make a difference, but…

Turnipseed said he didn’t recall. Not the same thing as “recant”. I have posted several pieces in this thread, including Boston Globe, that disagree with your well-reasoned arguments. Indisputable that GW has an honorable discharge; that is not the point. There is still some unexplained missing time that he could clear up immediately and directly. Not someone who might have heard or they think they remember. That’s eyewash. “Appears to have served…” is accurate, rather than just spouting back, please check out the link to calpundit. If this was Clinton, we’d be having impeachment hearings next month. Oh, one other thing…honorable discharge from the National Guard or not, you’ve still got a draft dodger.

If you read what I wrote, my ad hominem comment has nothing to do with the ragging about GWB military stuff. The question is “What are y’all so proud of?” Facts.

Unemployment lowest in 2 years? Try “most jobs lost since Hoover” Did he lose them so that he could be proud of finding them? Surplus to deficit; this is not ad hominem, this is your money…or your kids’. Budget that makes things look better than they really are. This is not unsubstantiated, this is on the White House website. Where is the money to continue the nation-building in Iraq? This budget is a fairy tale. In his campaign, did GWB say or did he not say that he was not “into nation-building”?

Let’s not even get into WMD. Somebody got hoodwinked…must be those sneaky CIA guys. Bush wouldn’t lie; he’s not smart enough to keep the lies straight. And neither would Cheney; he’s from Wyoming, and people from Wyoming don’t lie. (full disclosure - I’m from Wyoming). Now, Cheney’s staff, that’s another question. We don’t know yet, but there appears to be some suspicion that they outed a CIA operative to get even. Oooooh, bad behavior. Almost Clintonesque, don’t you think? And Powell, he was misled too. Or was he just used?

Can’t ask the guys in Iraq. Press is limited. They don’t give the straight scoop anyway. I do seem to recall a story about National Guard in Iraq (in harm’s way, unlike Texas and Alabama during Vietnam) not re-upping as expected. Haven’t watched Rather in years. Don’t care what Michael Moore says; he’s an entertainer. Wants to sell books.

Posted by: carl at February 6, 2004 07:15 PM

Iraq war was and is the right thing and we need to stick it out another year. ‘Nuff said.

A vote for anyone else other than George W. Bush will end up being a vote for all of the Peacenik, Teeny Boppers, prancing around with signs while blocking traffic and causing tons of Homeland Security money to flow down the drain.

The same liberals screaming about deficits, and wasteful spending, are the ones who were out there prancing around with signs and forcing police officers to do over-time.

A vote for George W. Bush is a vote that could very well crush the Democratic Party like nothing ever before.

I can’t wait till this President is re-elected.

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at February 7, 2004 01:11 AM

Carl, if you aren’t big on Moore, why are you quoting him? That “most jobs lost since Hoover” is a fib created by Mikey Make-Up himself. Or perhaps, you were recalling it used by Dean or Clark. In any case, it is neither truthful nor unbiased. It DOES identify a bias, however.

Frankly, Jeff, while I do expect Bush to be re-elected, the Democrats will sooner or later come to their senses. The party which gave us JFK and FDR will sooner or later rediscover its soul, and we’ll be done with Clinton-esque pretenders.

I have to say, that while there is no one as qualified to hold the White House as Bush is, and the Iraq War was exactly the right thing to do, I am not happy with the recent immigration postures and extreme spending; the GOP needs to read up on Reagan.

Posted by: GDubya at February 7, 2004 02:28 PM

Does anyone remember the Heller pop quiz? I did when I heard Laura B recently say that the prez and she read the paper in bed every morning as a ritual spanning their entire married life, it reminded me of his score on that one. She said that they never read op ed, but this makes me wonder what section shrub does read.

Mr. MacMillin,

I have a fear of one party states (call me unpatriotic) even if (in some ways especially if) it were the Democrats in total control. I hear a lot of advocacy for a one party state in post on this site. I have a lot of friends and aquantances from the PRC. It sounds like a recipe for a long term pathology to me, or maybe like heroin addiction, which seems pretty good to the uninformed with the first jones, but hey, it’s not too pretty after awhile. The picture of the democrats here is a fun attempt at character assasination, but it’s not a truthful picture. Dessent is natural and healthy in a democracy, even if it does lead to over-time expenses by police departments. I wish there was someone other than Kerry at the head of the Democratic ticket. However, I don’t think in a pre-9/11 situation he would be interrupting cabinate meetings for spontanious discussions of banial issues like embryonic stem cell policy and think that our relationships with Mexico ranked a the very top of the list. This is what I think of when I hear republicans talk about the relative merrits of the foriegn affairs experience of the Democratic candidates. Compared to what?

I also hear the defense of Bush’s military record being that he had an honerable discharge* and this clears up everything. My God People, he is a Bush family member!! It is prima fascia evidence for absolutely nothing. I don’t know what he was doing at that time. It’s small potatos as far as I’m concerned, like his supposed drug use, pro-choice stand in the 70’s and facilitation of an abortion with an ex-girlfriend. These could just be smear. However, the idea that people could throw *THIS up as a defence is amazing to me. I would believe that he pulled his weight or not, given more evidence, which I am not yet decided on despite a lot of (wasted)words about it of late.

Posted by: mac33 at February 7, 2004 03:01 PM

I can’t wait to see if Russert asks GW a direct question about the no-show non-service with the ANG. Last I checked there was a big fat reward posted by Alabama Air National Guard folks who were there during that period, say that Bush never served his obligation, and they have hard cash ready to any one who can prove that he was even there.

As for Bush being re-elected handily, he would never taken the Meet The Press gamble if he wasn’t desperate.

As for his record, GW’s lies and reneges on promises make Clinton look like an amateur.

If he wins, it won’t be on his record. His record is what will be the major factor in his loss.

The most apt quote I heard is from a Texan, who said ‘He is all hat and no cattle.’

Posted by: George at February 7, 2004 10:29 PM

Was anyone else here under-whelmed by the Pres?

Posted by: mac33 at February 8, 2004 02:24 PM

Bush was slick and glib, well prepped for anything that was asked.

Most revealing statement by Bush: Said he would not change his views and philosophy merely because the polls show disagreement.

Interpretation: Those who disagree with him have to be wrong.

Meaning: The sheer enormity of the blunder in Iraq does not permit the administration to admit they could have been wrong. So, because Bush decided to go to war it must be right. No other possibility is allowed to exist.

Conclusion: The current administration must be sent packing this Fall, because they have lost touch with reality. Emotionally invested to the hilt and blinded by hubris, they have proven themselves to be unfit for leadership.

Posted by: J. Love at February 8, 2004 04:52 PM

>Bush was slick and glib, well prepped for anything that was asked.

Slick, no. Repeatative, obtuse and glib I will give you.

>Interpretation: Those who disagree with him have to be wrong.

Interpretation: See, Still not Bill Clinton!

The rest was pretty good though.

Posted by: mac33 at February 8, 2004 05:29 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:49 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:49 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:49 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:50 PM

Utterly astounding! Stuttering stammering and blathering bullshit! “Blah,blah blah and terrorists this,terrorrists that,the terrorists are coming to get you! Fear,fear, fear only I can save you!”
Listening to him speak, let alone reveal his thought process, is truly terrorizing! We now know that over 9000 people are dead, not because Saddam had WMD but because he imagined or thought about them! Let this be a lesson to all rogue nations,as long as the Smirk junta is in office——“What you DON‘T think can’t hurt you!” If this administration decides you MIGHT think something you are in serious trouble. Brilliant! Explainations about the deficit and his AWOL were also profoundly underwelming convoluted drivel! God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 8, 2004 08:51 PM

LOL!

I guess B.A. believes if you say something enough times, people will believe you, no matter how loony it really is!

Funny, how so many people can’t get their attack straight: One time Bush is so stupid, he can’t speak effectively, but in the next breath, they tell us he’s got this detailed conspiracy all organized and running according to some intricate plan.

And if God decides to save us, I rather suspect it will be by keeping Bush in office, not by replacing him with hypocrites like Kerry or Edwards1

Posted by: GDubya at February 9, 2004 09:56 AM

For some reason when I put up my note the post button stuck and that is why there is so many repeats.I notified the webhost as soon as it happened.It was not intentional.
Beyond that your moniker GDubya is perfect because like your mentor you use exactly the same technique as he does. When you have no point or can’t defend your actions, make up and change topics! NOWHERE in my post do I accuse Bush of being intelligent! Because anyone that saw his Meet the Press failed defense of his actions,would NEVER claim that! He is just the talking head for his PNAC (Project for the New Ameican Century) handlers.Once the public realizes that 10 members of,or related to,the Bush administration signed on the PNAC doctrines then they will see the war on Iraq was preplanned back to 1998! FIVE YEARS before 911!! Conspiracy? If you can’t connect the dots there, then you are blindly partisan,ignorant or a jingoist.This war is without merit or justifiable cause.Saddam had conceded to allow unlimited inspections of Iraq before we attacked and Bush caused the war anyway.Saddam WAS contained and his major attrocities occured 14 years ago before Gulf war 1. No doubt he was a despot but the nearly $200 billion we have spent to oust him when he had NO WMD and NO international terrorist connections,has pillaged our national treasury and should have been spent on domestic projects.The Bush administration hyped and rushed the war to get their PNAC plans in place.Hans Blix should have been allowed to do his job and 9000 people who lost ther lives in this attack and occupation would be alive today! The Bush Administration experiment has been nothing less than a failure.
God save us!

Posted by: B.A. at February 9, 2004 04:30 PM

Nice try, B.A.

I wonder how long you can spin that war your way. We got rid of a vicious tyrant who gassed his own people and a neighboring country with the weapons you say he never had, who signed a treaty SPECIFICALLY warning that force was an option if he failed, not only to disarm, but to do it under the inspection of supervisors. Saddam had “rape rooms” and two prisons JUST TO TORTURE CHILDREN of dissidents, for crying out loud!

Over two DOZEN mass graves with 10,000-90,000 bodies EACH have been found, and you still think getting rid of Saddam was not a good idea?

According to David Kay’s report, there were a lot of attempts to hide weapons research, including a network of laboratories and safehouses, a prison laboratory apparently desigend to test Bioweapons on prisoners, strains of banned biological organisms stored in a scientist’s home, new research on Brucella, Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever, Ricon, and Aflatoxin never reported to the UN, and of course, missles with a far great range than the ones Saddam used to attack Tel Aviv in the First Gulf War.

Give it up. Bush was EXACTLY right and you know it!

And oh, by the way, I have not bee “changing the subject”, but it appears you have been ignoring Reality. But that’s a common symptom of the Left these days…

Posted by: GDubya at February 10, 2004 09:45 AM

It occurs to me that the whole National Guard thing could be cleared up if a couple guys who served with GWB during his tour in ‘72 would just come forward and say, yeh, I fueled one of the planes he flew that summer, of something. Has anyone come forward? This would be a lot more convincing to me than paper records, like tax forms. I would let it go if just one guy comes up to the microphone and vouches for him.

Posted by: mac33 at February 10, 2004 11:23 AM

mac33, back in 2000, this whole thing DID come up.

The NY Times and the Boston Globe BOTH printed stories showing Bush served as required.

The NY Times went back in July 2000 and got quotes from Bush’s fellow GUard pilots, who called him “One of the Best”.

Marhsmallows are made of stronger stuff than this “AWOL” claim is…

Posted by: GDubya at February 10, 2004 02:07 PM

I agree with you on this one GDubya, it looks like he did his duty in the guard like a lot of other good people at the time. I will not go out on a limb here and say that he was able to serve there instead of Nam because of who his Dad and Grand Dad were. He probably would have gone to Nam if his unit were called up. None of this matters. I won’t suggest that he got a pass on the Harken Energy stock dump because poppy was the VP, Neil probably didn’t get a smooth-over of the Silverado S&L deal either. I mean, all those aligations about the nose candy and womanizing are just youthful indescrition before jesus saved him, he probably didn’t inhale anyway. I will say that Hillery ordered a hit on Vince Foster and that White Water Real Estate Deal was the most dasterdly crime since Teapot dome or Watergate. How are my conservative credentials coming along? Now that I see how much money conservatives can go through, sign me up!

Posted by: mac33 at February 10, 2004 05:38 PM

LOL mac33
Yes, you sound like you would make an excellent wReckpubliclone CONservative! Just like the bleating sheeple lemming GDubya who is so partisan that he would follow Smirky off of a cliff! He is the same type of sheeple that can’t get over the “devastation to our legal system” caused by Clinton for lying about a sexual encounter! However,with them it is just fine to cause a war without merit or justification(over 9000 now dead) and bold face lies to the world about the reason when the junta was going to start the war from the moment they got in the White House.See PNAC I wrote about above, it is a must read and you can BET GDubya won’t read it or will deny the irrefutable proof that it reveals.
Oh and BTW GDubya,if Smirky found fellow guardsman in 2000 to prove he was not AWOL then where in the hell are they now?? Not one officer or anyone has come forth to verify he was there. If you were in the service and one of your buddy’sbecame President it seems SOMEONE would remember seeing you! The issue at hand now is credibility and Bush said he WAS there.He clearly was not so he is a LIAR! Find one guard to prove otherwise!
Also GDubya you DID change the topic (re-read my post and yours) then you say I said Sadddam never had WMD?? Well of course he did,we gave them to him and trained them how to make WMD during the Reagan administration but he never used them again after Gulf War 1.But,who cares about facts,history and truth right GDubya? And your numbers in the mass graves(even though an atrocity that occuried 14 years ago) are not verified and you have way overstated all your “facts”.Typical for wReckpubliclone CONservatives!

Posted by: B.A. at February 10, 2004 08:15 PM

BA,

I’m real busy right at the moment, could you do me a favor and find out if George Herbert Walker Bush (overgainst his son, George Hoover Walker Bush) quashed a senatorial resolution calling for sanctions against Rummy’s buddy Saddam for (here comes my conservative crock tears) gasing his own people? I’ve seen it mentioned several times on C-SPAN (sorry GeeDubyaaah! I have never seen it on FOX, so being a good conservative and all, I doubt its credibility). I Heard that it actually passed the house and was killed on the way over to the Senate because of a letter from the Bush 41 administration.

God, did The Prez ever make one so proud to be an American? stammer, blank stare, could you repeat that? Lengthy droning to eat up time, just like Carl told me. Me me me me me me me me my leadership, I was sure tough enough, Saddam had some scientist on his payroll, had to drop the bombs and run up them beaches, he might not have been an eminant threat, but he had the capacity to be one in the future… This reminds me of the tax cut excuses. There is always a brand new reason and retrenchment, not because the descision we based in reality, but because it was based in base desire. Have you ever heard a kid asking for a toy for christmas and the parent says the first reason isn’t good enough. If you are unfamiliar with this scene, just look at GWB and co on the topics of this elective war and the tax cut and you don’t need to see the child to know what I’m talking about. GOD DAMNIT! This being a good conservative is really really hard. I have back slide, got to go to Church this sunday fer sure.

Posted by: mac33 at February 10, 2004 08:47 PM

mac33
Well I did a little investigation for you and found out that prior to the appointment of George Hoover Smirky “W” Bush that indeed George Herbert Walker Bush did in fact squelch a santions resolution on Dr. StrangeRums buddy Saddam!! Please understand though that executive trumpsmanship HAD to be put in to play here. As you know daddy Bush like his chimp-off-the-old- block son was also a “compassionate CONservative” in his deep felt understanding of the common man! He also understood that his compassion had brought him an approval rating of 17%!!! What else is such a sensitive man to do? So he found a forum in Saddam who had run his country into the ground battling the Ayatolla in Iran on our funding,weapons and WMD and decided to reclaim a warm water port in Kuwait ( an original part of Iraq) in order to stimulate his economy and feed his people( well the ones he didn’t gas).He asked to talk to our U.S. diplomat (re:attacking Kuwait) April Glaspie who daddy’s team had told her to tell Saddam we “had no policy” in that matter so she gave him the green light! Several weeks later (to Saddam’s name calling the U.S. the “Great Hypocrite”) George Herbert Walker brought war on Iraq for their action on Kuwait! Hypocrite’s hell!! George the 1st saw his approval rating sky rocket with support from 17% to the 90% area. Saddam the evil (with proper training from Ronnie and George the 1st) and his country were brought under the illusion of control just in time for daddy to enjoy his newfound popularity before having his ass kicked out of office by Bill “the perjurer” Clinton.
So now you see when it comes to the Bush family a few hundred of ours and a few thousand of theirs killed for failed political survival is just FINE! Bush family values are much like Saddam’s recent WMD in the sense that———————THEY DON‘T EXIST! Speaking of Bush family values you should check out brother Neil’s story past and present,it’s quite impressive! Bottom line?You should feel proud to be counted along with the Bush family to be a proud CONservative!

Posted by: B.A. at February 11, 2004 01:05 AM

Dubyahhh!

I was watching the News Hour last night and Robinson from the Globe, who has been on the Guard story for the last 4 years, said that he had found AL guardsmen who ‘emphatically denied’ ever seeing GWB show up for duty. Is Robinson the same guy you were quoting above?

I also see that NewsMax is pushing a photo of Jane Fonda and Kerry having sex in a big love in on the Washington Mall. Guilt by association is a pretty attractive ploy, for fascists. We all know that a) Kerry opposed the war and b) the Vietnam war was not a particularly good idea or good for America.

BA,

I’m starting to feel really slimmy, what’s a young conservative to do, one of those post-rape shower scenes?

Posted by: mac33 at February 11, 2004 10:29 AM

mac33
Slimmy huh? I can imagine you do, after all today’s group of CONservatives have put the CON back in the name CONservative! Perhaps a mild acid dip every hour for the next week might help.Good luck!

Posted by: B.A. at February 11, 2004 11:58 AM