No, Its bad ideas make for a bad campain.

Like attack the president as the commander in chief when you hope to be one.

Like attacking the humanitarian stuff we do on humanitarian grounds.

Like voting for a war you hope to base your whole campain about.

Like saying your voted for the war in hopes that the UN would restrain the president.

Like being an idiot and a Democrat, far as I know, thats two strikes already….

Posted by: Sunami at October 10, 2003 09:27 AM

“Like being an idiot and a Democrat” That’s straight from the office of redundancy office.

Posted by: Tecate Jack at October 10, 2003 01:48 PM

Tecate Jack, that’s the Department of Redundancy Department

Best wishes and best wishes, Phil Proctor

Posted by: torpedo_eight at October 10, 2003 06:23 PM

torpedo_eight, how can you be in two places at once when you’re not anywhere at all?
Porgy Tirebiter

Posted by: 357 at October 19, 2003 11:47 AM

RE: Sunami’s comments: Consider the source when reading, as apparently this person is an idiot and needs to return to grade school to learn grammar and it’s usage. This person also needs to learn to spell the word “campaign” before calling other people idiots! Especially when the word “campaign” was already spelled out for him above this section!
~Maria Maiorano

Posted by: nonblonde at October 19, 2003 10:24 PM

This is in response to an email written to me regarding the post I wrote in question written to me by the poster immeitely above this one.

I saw you posted comments at the command-post.org website. I would like to respond to your comment: “Like being and idiot and a Democrat, far as I know, that’s two strikes already.”
The first thing wrong with your comment is that statements suggesting that being a Democratic is a “strike” is a generalization and promotes a type of hate/discrimination. Second thing wrong with everything that you had to say was that before you label other people as idiots, perhaps you need to learn to spell and how to use the English language as it was intended. You can not be too bright yourself, being that you misspelled the word campaign two out of two times in your comments. You also stated, “Like saying your voted for the war in hopes that the UN would restrain the president, and by the way, the word President, should be capitalized when referring to the President of the United States, or any other time it is representative of a position of office. I underlined your other error in that sentence…perhaps you can figure that one out?
After you learn to improve these skills, grammar usage and spelling, maybe then reading your comments would be worthy, otherwise people will consider your own stupidity before taking what you have to say too seriously…you have heard of the phrase, “Consider the Source” haven’t you?
By the way, I am proud to be a Democrat!
~Maria Maiorano

My Response…

If I coul write, then I wouldn’t be working. In other words; If you can’t do something but run your mouth or squiggle a few words out on a blank page, then you should write. But this sort of elitism escapes me. If in fact liberlaism does stand for tolerence and against intolerence, a place for all perspectives and all voices represented at the table of communion, then you fail at being a liberal. You do say in fact that you are proiud to be a democrat, and as far as I know, they are the party of liberals and much as I wish they would all move to Cali-fornia and the San Andreas fault does what has been promised since the sixties an fall of the left side of these great fourty-eight contigious states, it just never seems to happen just when you need it too… I digress.

Of course, let me spell it out for you, I used a keyboard I found on the streetcorner and one of the keys is always stuck, my daddy never had the money to send me to one o’dem IVY LEAGUE schools so that I got to spend some time learing how to type, I could care less about stupid grammar rules and I can write one of the longest runon sentences ever written. I dare you to top that!

Still, your criticism is quite valid and consider that If I had the power to review and edit my earlier writings, I would. Thank you for your critiscizm and I value your input. I like that you used an ad hominum attack, so I think that it would be equitable to retaliate on the grounds of lowest common denominator, but as I have already stated, I have no talent for writing, I have a talent for doing, working and paying $850 in child support a month, Maria. I always think of something clever and witty to wrie that owuld have made my post better after I have pressed the Post button.

Perhaps you would like to continue our aquaintance and maybe we could correspond about our differences. Maybe, If you feel up to it, I may allow you to review my posts before they destroy everyone’s ‘mellow.’

I dont care if you are a hypocrit, just dont hide behind the ‘school marm’ personna, unless of course you actually are a teacher and NEAA supporter and have paid all your dues up to date and have lineed the pockets of Senator Ted Kennedy, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sen. John Kerry. Perhaps you may then excuse my poor writing ability and take pity on a poor unfortunate worker, left behind by the rising of all ships in the minority day parade floats…

I tend to imagine that some are more inclined to believe what they feel, rather than the facts. Like our Senator Kerry here… Being corrected could be a good thing, but I am more inclined to believe that what is happeneing is the failure of all liberals and democrats to bring anything short of treason and sedition to the table. Can you think of a contrary example to further the debate instead of an ad hominum attack on my poor keyboard skills?

Posted by: Sunami at October 19, 2003 11:09 PM

First, allow me to address one of the three talents you mentioned in your reply: paying child support. Since when did being held accountable for something, that by nature you should do, become a talent? I noticed that in your choice of wording, you did not state that you financially support your children, but instead “pay child support”. To the one reading this statement, one would suspect that you do so because the law enforces you to do so. My perception and interpretation could be wrong in that you actually care for the welfare of your children, and that perhaps you did not evaluate how you presented yourself when making this statement. Either way, do not expect to get a gold medal for utilizing the opportunity to do what is expected and right by nature.
I forgive you for not having the ability to think things out better before impulsively pushing that “Post button” it’s a Republican trait. Perhaps that is why you are paying $850 per month in child support…a premature “push”, an action that one did not fully consider the consequences of before engaging.
Regarding believing facts vs. believing what one is inclined to feel: In all fairness, Mr. B., we, Republicans, Democrats, Green Party, Liberals, we all choose what facts to believe. You can even find statistical information that will support or not, whatever you wish to find. It is my opinion that politics has failed us all, as we mostly scavenge to separate the half-truths from the lies. I cannot say for certain what is true in politics today, I can only speculate from the facts that are presented to me as factual. Because, Mr. B., the truth is something us common folk/voters may never realize.
On that note, let me point-out some documented facts about your leader that most Americans may not be aware of, including yourself: Subject, the connection between Arbusto Energy/George W. Bush/BinLaden/Harken Energy/ George Bush Sr.: http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html

On a personal note, there’s one thing that I learned of great importance about Texas oilmen, not the rig hands, but those running the show. They are like salesmen, if they open their mouths, they are probably telling a lie! And yes, it is also a generalization, so in that sense, perhaps I am a hypocrite. But, I also acknowledge my statement as a mere generalization; surely not all oilmen are liars.
Regarding your statement mentioning IVY LEGUE SCHOOL, are you implying that I went, and that the stereotypical Democrat can afford to do so? Son, you need to do some research on the Democratic Party, perhaps even on the party for which you think that most closely represents yourself! You could be wrong! Quit whining about having to use a refurbished keyboard, recycling is a good thing…it helps to keep our landfills down and helps cut down overspending, something especially Republicans need to practice more these days! And yes, I do practice the use of recycling on a daily basis myself, and I am proud of my finds!
While you are performing additional research, let me also point out Mr. Bush’s statement to the country not so long ago to consider. He stated that we (the country) need to increase production…not jobs my friend, but production…there’s a difference! In other words, let’s work our blue-collar workers to unreasonable limits. Not the same as creating new jobs. But, you are not a blue-collar worker are you? (Which I am extrapolating from the fact that you pay so much in child support and it is based upon income.)
For the record, I am not a teacher, but perhaps you should have respected yours more. Also, as I stated in my last posting; claiming to be of the Democratic Party does not imply ignorance. Which also means that I do not support, nor have I ever supported, Teddy, and especially not Hillary! I do think before I push that “Post” button, Mr. B.

Posted by: nonblonde at October 20, 2003 02:59 AM

Oh god, I am going to have to frame this!!!

I am still laughing… HELP … got.. to.. have..air!!!

Bwhahahaahha!

Sorry its late, I am going to have to get some rest. I promise to give this more serious thought tomorrow. Thanks for that and I think I agree with some of it, I just cant stop chuckling…

Hoo!

Posted by: Sunami at October 20, 2003 03:19 AM

Dear Ms. Liberated,
Allow me to be frank and comment on the tone of judgementalism in your post. It sounds to me that you have a particular axe to grind and as far as I am concerned, Mr. B has just stepped into some mighty big shoes. I trust that the image that is projected upon me is not the garden variety schmuk or snook but that you are talking from your own personal experience. But what you may not have cared to address was that anecdotal evidence is in no way indicative of the model, nor even should models be used to overgeneralize the issue. However, democrats do seem to be speaking in one overcritical voice about our President and Commander in Chief with one voice. It would be unfair of me to overgeneralize and say that you were indicative of the democrats position. I might even like democrats more if it were the case, however what most democrats seem to have been aware of, is that they are far short of ideas and are operating on the sum of all fears. I sense a palpible paralysis in the democratic party and on a wide range of topics today, the most that they can offer is that they feel that they were lied to, that it was tough to actually acceed to support for the defence of our country to begin with, but all this is far too much. Hey, I can understand this. I can even empathize with it, but when it crosses the line into outright political mud slinging which could concievably get soldiers killed today with the constant bickering and the belief that one more death of a soldier in our armed forces could politically twist the arm of our current president and he would march every one of those soldiers back up the gangway that brought them, then victory out of a brilliant military defeat is the true reality.
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.htm
An excerpt is lifted from this page below;
The right to freedom of speech is one of our most cherished rights. It is also a double-edged sword: the same right that allows us to criticize our government’s policies without fear of reprisal also protects those who endorse and promote racism, anti-semitism, ethnic hatred and other socially divisive positions.
Rarely is this dichotomy so evident as when a democratic nation engages in war, and the protection of civil liberties clashes head-on with the exigencies of a war effort. Protesting a government’s involvement in a war without also interfering in the prosecution of that war is a difficult (if not impossible) feat, a situation that has sometimes led the government to curtail the freedom of speech, such as when the U.S. Sedition Act (passed during World War I) made criminals of those who would “willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States.” Under this law, peacefully urging citizens to resist the draft or simply drawing an editorial cartoon critical of the government became illegal. (The Sedition Act was later overturned.)
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With regard to your quite appropriate analogy and my cash involvement, I should think that I should be the example and not the rule. My personal reasons for marriage were the consequence of the pregnancy and that an abortion would be legally performed had I not lied my ass off to save my little girl. You can think it dispicable of me, and that I was a fool, but perhaps if you looked into my own childs eyes and said that she did not deserve to live, I could dismiss your opinion on the grounds that your callous disregard for descency puts you in a class all your own. I cannot even concieve of this happening, however niether could I conceive of the matter ever being addressed publicly before.

With regard to whose facts are consistent with whichever belief is in question, I think that the rules of socratic dialog and logic should suffice, however regarding the changing of belief structure, I find that personal faith has much to do with it. I chose along time a go not to waste my effort trying to change the world to enforce my personal philosphy upon it, but rather to change and adapt to the circumstances which surrounded me to such a degree that my personal honor and duty to perform as would be expected by reasonable people would be satisfied but that which does not serve to bring honor to myself or my clan would no longer be needed. It was futile to continue chasing windmills. Basically, what works for me, belongs with me and what no longer works, I throw away. To have lived my life as a Democrat, a Progressive and a Green, I personally feel that all such parties have left what I stand for behind, in time of war, which particularly brings up a specific greivance which I can find no card carrying liberal to own up to the deception that has been perpetrated on me. Fool me once, my bad; fool me again, shame on you.
When Monica Lewinsky became a household name and so many liberals stepped up to defend a sex act in the white house, they brought that type of behavior out into the open and into my living room. I am also aware that it came into my daughters life. For whom do I address my grievance for having suffered the loss of innocence of my daughters ears? Yet everyday, the sound of the democratic and tolerent left sounds more dispicable, taunting, depraved and meanly cruel. I think that you may know what I am talking about. There does seem to me to be a serious lack of respect for opinion and serious debate.
I have tried in my own small way to contribute whatever I could when the timing called for it into the duty of all Americans to pose serious questions of others and to ponder their replies within due consideration. On balance, I have found my discourse here most informative and highly enlightening. Perhaps you will find it equally rewarding, however - only if you are willing to challenge your firmly held belief.
There is much to what you say about the nature of truth in factual representation through the press and that some are discouraged by the necessity of getting enough factual evidence in order to form a well balanced opinion. I should like to offer one maxim that seems to encourage me in my efforts however strong, whenever I feel challenged as to discerning which position is mostly supported by the evidence. That maxim is this; You Get The Government That You Deserve. Politics is not a stop-loss proposition, there are great dangers in this world that need to be addressed by serious debate and well informed positions. It takes considerable effort to remain informed, therefor the challenge is to remain as firm as flexibility allows. One cannot count on being completely error free, nor given over to grace without some serious understanding of God’s Plan on earth (faith), so one must be open to being challenged on some level. Truth, in itself cannot be found in its rawest form here on earth, but that factual phenomena can offer intuitive awareness of where it is leading. Speculation itself is not truth, it is a mere opinion based on fact. The post in question, which you have every right to debate me on, is just that. If you would care to debate them, I would be more than happy to help out and bring whatever I may in contribution.
Now, it may interest you to know that my opinion has changed in the past and that it may change again in the near future. I am no political hack, nor do I live and die by any particular party, however certian facts cannot be ignored as one party in particular seems to prefer. Would you care to address some of the concerns of my fellow contributors and my own concerns? I truly feel that the most incredible evil is more than a certainty if these same facts are ignored for any period of time. In fact, the whole future of the human race is in question. This doubt is supported by these facts, that if certain Islamic Fundamentalists obtain possesion of catastrophic weapons of war, then civilisation will cease to exist as it has been known. The consequenses are dire as are the predictions of what civilisation will be forced to do to protect itself from such a threat. And what does one party seem to be be saying the loudest and the most stridently? That these are all lies.
I have asked several of these political operatives on these pages to present me the facts, what I get is speculation and allegation, which are of dubious supporting evidence, when no one could doubt the resolve of the terrorists to engage in the slaughter of innocents.
So, I ask you, what does the Bush-Bin Laden correlation have to do with the survival of millions alone in the arabian peninsula if these weapons fell into the wrong hands? What does any connection to oil have to do with the fact that over 3,000 innocent lives have been taken from our countrymen alone by these murderers?
I mostly enjoyed your post, specifically your raw wit and intelligence and truly wish it could go on in some other format if in fact this one is not to your choosing. I must however ask, is it not important to pay attention to what is most dire first? Are not lives equally grieved by their loss? Should nothing be done to spare such suffering when we alone have the power to stop it?

Warmest Regards
Sunami

Posted by: Sunami at October 20, 2003 10:02 PM

I am also of Irish Catholic decent, so if you were flirting with me, I just wouldn’t get it…

Bwhahaha!!!

Thanks, I have chuckled to myself all day over this!

Mr. B

Posted by: Sunami at October 20, 2003 10:33 PM

there should be less campaign subjects and they should focus on much larger indisputable subjects i.e. 1)America was attacked by 19 muslems(give country makeup)—what does President do—commit America’s military and economic stability to attack Iraq based upon fabrications and exagerations.-Is this what you want in a military leader??? 2) america’s image gained after years of sacrifice(name people) as a country that would not invade but stand for what is right.(quote polls-where is it now??Even 64% of english do not approve of our administraion.3) ignorence and arrogance— who said a) the middle east problem is beween israel and plo we want no part of it(look at the results) b) who said -no more 3-way soft meetings between North and South Korea and the Us-look at what it got us.C) which administration said france and Germany are the old regime-who needs them?d) who said that the Us doesn’t need anyone-we will deal with IRAQ by ourselves—and then went begging hat in hand for money and troops???even after we had to get commitments for 70% of the cost for the first gulf war!!Who uder estimated the cost(both in $$,men and time To take Iraq??THe other big campaign point should be about the economy——Have large charts depicting s.s.,medicare being pushed down by the costs of the war,costs of reconstruction,costs of commitments to aids,prescriptions,supporting other companies that the President has said that he would rebuild their society,or their military, supply them with arms or forgive their national debt to the US, his tax cuts—is it any reason why our people will have to sacrifice—and even yet—the majority of our expences are not being directed at fighting terroists but gettig us out of the holes that our President is getting us into.__If the themes were drive home time after time—the republicans would be on the defensive and much of their theme(the war on terrorism) would loss its sting

Posted by: kelly mitchell at March 12, 2004 04:06 PM