You haven’t seen the followup yet? White House phone logs show that the Lil’ General never called Karl Rove. Another tall tale from the imploding campaign of Wesley Clark.

Posted by: Vox Populi at September 23, 2003 12:02 PM

It also doesn’t make sense. Why would he call Rove? He can be a Republican without Rove’s assistance. It’s not like he could run for President as a Republican in 2004…

Posted by: CERDIP at September 23, 2003 12:35 PM

This guy is utterly and completely DOA. Theres a friggin picture of him pallin around with one of the Serb commanders that ordered the massacres. They swapped hats for cripes sake. Plus he was in charge of UN forces in Rawanda, and recommended pulling them out. Soft on genocide, yeh thats a great bumper sticker.

Posted by: Mark Buehner at September 23, 2003 04:13 PM

Here’s what America’s favorite Machiavellian toe-sucking consigliere, Dick Morris has to say:

Clark will not wear well. His early gaffes show his inexperience. He would be a bit like a latter-day Dwight D. Eisenhower, except that nobody can quite recall what war it is that he won. The initial enthusiasm for his candidacy really came from Europe, where this general-who-opposes-war is the kind of guy only the elites of Paris can truly love. The only primary he has locked up is Democrats abroad.

Stick a fork in him. He’s done.

Posted by: lewy14 at September 23, 2003 04:44 PM

Why is the media buzzing so much about this guy. Seems like most people dont care. Bush is going to win anyway so all this typing is a big waste of pixels.

Posted by: gijoe at September 23, 2003 05:44 PM

He’s a Clinton tool and the embrace of him by the (D)’s is utter hypocrisy… Clark is an
egomaniac
delusionally spouting gossip that Bush intends to conquer 7 countries in the MiddleEast,
who’s troops burned Waco,
who’s linked to Islamic terrorists in Kosovo’s KLA,
who Hob-nobbed with ethnic
cleansers, who’s both for
& against the war, who said Saddam
was no criminal.

This is the saviour of the left? This man of so little conviction a mere
slight drove him from conservatist-individualism into the waiting arms of
collectivist-socialism?

Oh wait…  I guess he’s a true (D) after all.

Posted by: DANEgerus at September 24, 2003 12:01 AM

DANEgerus, that’s halfway to being a decent rap… I hear some Public Enemy beats in the background… you need to work on the allterative rhyming a bit though.

Oh, and the content? Right on. Cool blog you’ve got.

Posted by: lewy14 at September 24, 2003 03:40 AM

unreal that you all buy into the GOP smear campaign that has been mobilized since clark announced he’s running… you people are like lemmigs!!

“oh, he hob-nobbed with so and so in Kosovo, almost started WWIII single handedly he did!”

“oh, he’s controlled by the clintons. clintons bad! clark bad!!”

“oh, L’il general never called karl rove, i have seen the phone records!! tee hee hee his campaign is IMPLODING before our eyes!!”

fact of the matter is that this man has done more to serve our country that Shrubya ever has contemplated… more than shrubya can even understand fully — and he will do even more to set things right as soon as he gets into office

this whole “i would have been a republican” thing is a non issue, cooked up by GOP spinmeisters to try and discredit what they see as the first real threat to their grip on power

wake up people — if you somehow think that republicans = conservatist (not a word) - individualism and that democrat = collectavist-socialism you need to hop back on the small bus with your special helmet

Posted by: wtf at September 24, 2003 05:42 AM

announces a week ago and Already ahead of bushie
in the polls…Ummm..The supreme court is going
to have to nuke Clark. Maybe the CIA will find
out he is a KGB agent. They can find Anything.
WMD’s, 9-11 terrorists, Regans jelly beans. Great
theater for a 3rd world country..

Posted by: VF at September 24, 2003 06:29 AM

Hey VF,

Clark was ahead of Bush 49% to 47% in a poll where 48% of those surveyed were DEMOCRATS, and only 70% were registered to vote.

If Clark is only ahead by 2% in a poll where the stupid (Democrats) and lazy (those not registered to vote) are so heavily overrepresented, I’d say that W doesn’t have much to worry about. After all, only likely* voters really count in November, and only 34% of *all registered voters are Democrats. (36% are Republican.)

This poll overstated Democrats by 40%, understated Republicans by 45%, and threw in a bunch of people that cannot vote.

Posted by: Mark L at September 24, 2003 09:56 AM

Hey WTF, lemme give you some advice. You cant just scream ‘Smear Campaign!!!’ and expect anyone to take you seriously. You need to address the very real, very concrete accusations being made against Clark. Are you, perhaps, suggesting this is not true?

“Clark was a three-star (lieutenant general) who directed strategic plans and policy for the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Washington. On Aug. 26, 1994, in the northern Bosnian city of Banja Luka, he met and exchanged gifts with the notorious Bosnian Serb commander and indicted war criminal, Gen. Ratko Mladic. The meeting took place against the State Department’s wishes and may have contributed to Clark’s failure to be promoted until political pressure intervened. The shocking photo of Mladic and Clark wearing each other’s military caps was distributed throughout Europe. “
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030922.shtml

If so, either provide documentation, or explain to us why its not important. I’m afraid you will also have to explain Clarks well documented flip flopping of his support (or lack thereof) for the Iraq War.

Posted by: Mark Buehner at September 24, 2003 10:06 AM

Clark is just an opportunist, when he saw that running republican wouldn’t get him any where he flip-flopped to the Dem’s because at least there he stood a chance.

Posted by: Bkay at September 24, 2003 12:18 PM

“I’ve known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I’m not going to say whether I’m a Republican or a Democrat. I’ll just say Wes won’t get my vote.” - General Hugh Shelton, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on the maverick soldier now running for the presidency.
http://andrewsullivan.com

Clark is an opportunist, a shameless self promoter who plays fast and loose with the facts, seemingly changes his views as the political winds blow. Those things are Bad™ in a general, which is why a lot of military people loathe him. I wouldnt say he has a lot of enemies, because that requires taking a stand from time to time. More like people around him saw him for what he was, a man whose eyes were always focused on his ambitions to the detriment of what he was doing. He shares a lot of similairities with Bill Clinton, but lacks his political touch and common sense. I would characterize him as having the moral compass of Clinton and the self agrandizing, booksmartness of Al Gore. Bush would feast on him.

Posted by: Mark Buehner at September 24, 2003 02:25 PM

Wtf wrote,

“unreal that you all buy into the GOP smear campaign that has been mobilized since clark announced he’s running… you people are like lemmigs!!”

Oh yea it is ALRIGHT and FAIR and OK for Liberals to conduct a Smear campaign against President Bush. But should we ever look at the background of Wesley Clark and criticise him, then we are ‘lemmings.’

Oh please. If you have any substance to prove our assertions wrong, then please place your energy there. Placing your energy towards disliking the way we conduct our background checks is not very intelligent.

This is politics. If we have something to say about your Candidate. We will say it loud and clear. We will fight whoever is your front runner.

Especially when that front runner is threatening to raise our taxes. (which all 10 60’s hippes) are doing just that.

Posted by: Jeff MacMillan at September 24, 2003 03:19 PM

Clark is an opportunist. What politician isnt? Swarsnagger—- Hello!!!

Clark is not experienced but you cant say Bush was in 2000 either. His aides ran his governorship like they run his presidency.

Democrats/Republicans they are all the same. No surprise that Clark switched and the Democrats want him. Truth is they are all the same. They do whatever to get and mantain power. You would too.

Clark is the only one who will give Bush a fight though. A new sheriff in town. A new game of Cowboys and Indians. Maybe under Clark we will let the Indians fire their arrows first again.

Posted by: John at September 24, 2003 05:04 PM

“Clark is an opportunist. What politician isnt? “
Very true, but there is a difference between being an opportunist and being shameless. Do you think Bush would abandon the war on terror if he thought it would win him reelection? I dont for a second, but it seems Wesley Clark will say anything to win.

“Clark is not experienced but you cant say Bush was in 2000 either.”
Bush was an experienced politician. Which in the end is more important than being an experienced manager (look at Bloomberg). Clark has no experience making a government run, which is why we elect governors so often.

“Democrats/Republicans they are all the same”
Demonstrably false. Look at the current mess we’re in.

“Clark is the only one who will give Bush a fight though. “

Clark wont survive the primary. Too dumb, too arrogant, too many skeletons. I bet he is out before Iowa.

“Maybe under Clark we will let the Indians fire their arrows first again. “

There’s nothing worse than a fair fight.

Posted by: Mark Buehner at September 24, 2003 05:19 PM

I always knew you guys were Republicans before you were Conservatives…I think Clark could easily be a moderate Republican…but the only thing you guys see (those who are bashing his charcter) is the Democrat after his name…be honest after everything we know about Bush Jr. and his past (and present) and you guys are still in line to sniff the sweat from the crack of his “you know what” you guys follow the Party and spit on principles…

conservatives, yeah right, more like Party Puppies!

Posted by: Luther at September 24, 2003 07:26 PM

I doubt that Clark will last too long. That photo op with Gen. Mladic is about as good as Dukakis in a tank. Dr. Dean will win the day.

But don’t discount Dems’ chances in 2004. Nobody with sense would have voted for Clinton in 1992. Nobody with morals would have voted for him in 1996. And nobody with either would have voted for Gore in 2000. But we got Slick Willie twice, and Gore almost once.

Bless their stinking feet and flabby black hearts, the swing voters out there don’t want freedom — they want to be SAFE. And as many freebies from Uncle Sugar as they think they can get. They are also not particularly well-informed. Iraq? Isn’t that a title of a video game?

The question is: will Bush’s power of the presidency and his warchest be enough to overcome the bias of Big Media?

Posted by: Jeff P. at September 24, 2003 07:39 PM

Hey Luther, I’ll thank you for not assuming you know jack about me or my affiliations. It turns out that I supported Clinton in 92 (I was too young to vote), and in fact still lean democratic on several issues. You wanna know why I despise Wesley Clark? For exactly the reasons you assumed I would like him. He panders to the center, and obviously so. Hey, at least when Clinton did it he had some style. He was like the jerkoff everyone knows that never picks up a check but you cant help but like him. Still not the guy you want leading you when the chips are down, cuz chances are he’ll be hiding under the table. Clark is of the same mold. He’ll say and do anything he thinks you want. So which party these days wants a straight shooter, would you say, the Clinton Party or the Bush Party? People say Bush ‘lies’, but no-one questions his motivations or his goals. The same could never be said about Clinton or Wesley Clark. We are at war. We need a leader that has a vision and will do what he believes necessary even if it costs him his job. Like Churchill, like Tony Blair, like George Bush.

Posted by: Mark Buehner at September 24, 2003 09:51 PM

Now we wonder why Clark was begged to run? Hello! What do the Liberals have to offer? John Kerry, Joe Leiberman, John Edwards, or Howard Dean…Boring! They saw military and went crazy. Now it really is going to get bad for the left wing. With Ted Kennedy running around shooting his mouth off, the American people know who the real leaders are for the new world order…Conservatives. No more pussy-foot tactics for terrorists like Osama. These are the tacticts that got many Americans killed…not just on Sept 11. Go back to the embassy bombings. Then look at the operations in Mogodishu. Yeah, its just a movie, but it has been proven to be true. Those people were the same people that drove jets into the Trade Towers. And Clinton screwed it up!!

Its no wonder there are 60% of Democrates that can’t name who is running for office. They don’t care, and they are really not inspired.

Posted by: Ben at September 25, 2003 11:59 AM

Clark seems to have scared the bejesus out of conservatives. Why else would they spend so much energy laying into him? I think it may be partially due to the fact he has been prepared to take a bullet for his country - not something that GWB, Cheney, Rush Limbaugh or most warmongering neocons can boast of. Whether he’s nominated or joins a ticket as VP, he scares the crap out of Republicans. Who can they counter with? Colin Powell? They’ve spent the last couple of years humiliating the guy. That presentation to the UN ‘detailing’ Iraq’s WMD threat was the definition of sadness. The guy should be too ashamed to leave his house. Maybe Arnie should run with GWB as VP. Try accusing an Austrian of draft-dodging. He’ll annex your ass. “Vote for me if you want to live”

If I may quote Big Schwarz in Kindergarten Cop: “Who is your daddy and what does he do?” Well, my daddy was President until those damn voters rejected him. I’ll show those ungrateful fools by winning a second term myself.

Good luck GWB. 300 dead and counting. 300 who died doing what you weren’t prepared to do. Serve their country rather than themselves.

Posted by: dirk strom at September 27, 2003 10:33 PM

Oh, yeah here’s a liberal talking about those who are prepared to die for their country. GWB didn’t ROTC—Retreat Over To Canada when he was in college and GWB didn’t make comments that he “LOATHED” the military. Why would Powel be ashamed of anything that we did in the War on Terror. The fact is Sept. 11, 2001 would not have occured if Al Qeada didn’t set up in the US on Ol’ Slick Willies watch. World Trade Towers in 1993 the the embassy bombings in Africa, Clinton couldn’t use the military for what they are made for…to kill people. In stead he sends Wesly Clark in the former Yugoslavia and uses is for his own personal war…talk about Vietnam.

Posted by: Ben at September 30, 2003 03:59 PM

GWB didn’t ROTC, he hid in a Texas Guard unit, much more honorable of a choice. You’re going to compare Yugoslavia to Vietnam? How many troops did we have on the ground there acting as security forces? How many do we have in Iraq? Jeez, if Yugoslavia is a personal war, what the heck is this Iraq war? Oh right, it’s a war to capture WMD….no no no, it’s a war to oust a brutal regime….no no no, it’s a war to give Haliburton (a company VP Cheney has ties to?) Billions of dollars in contracts. Clinton did not always use the military properly, and cut funding far too much to keep the force effective enough for potential conflicts…but Bush is going to risk what happenned after Vietnam, all the good soldiers who signed up to fight wars, leaving b/c they’re tired of playing police officer…. if Clark panders to the middle, maybe that’s a reasonable idea for a change. Someone who has some common sense. And you can’t say the guy is stupid. Valedictorian from West Point, four star general. And if he has character problems, well then Rumsfeld should like him, he’d replace his former TIA appointee John Poindexter well…who was after all convicted of conspiracy, lying to Congress, defrauding the government, and destroying evidence in the Iran Contra scandal. Yet he only got removed from his post when he proposed a Terrorism Futures Market… how did he slip through the system? It’s time someone from the middle got in and showed some practicality…Bush hasn’t yet, and neither did Clinton.

Posted by: txhorn at September 30, 2003 06:12 PM

Yeah, 4 stars doesn’t mean he’s Eisenhour, as he’s trying to be. And if stars count then lets poll those that are currently serving as generals. I believe there has been numerous reports that the pentagon staff all stated he was a flake! As for Vietnam…The liberals are the ones that are quick to bring up that war. Which doesn’t make sense, wasn’t that a war run by liberals—JFK, LBJ, McNamarra, ect. Oh yeah, let’s not bring up the past. But what’s odd is the reaction to Wesley comming into the race. Not a big hooray. And that scares the Dem’s. I love the T-Shirts “I MIss Clinton”. I laugh for it really doesn’t matter who would run againts Edwards, Kerry, Clark, Leiberman, ect…they would win.

Posted by: Ben at October 2, 2003 11:56 AM

All I know is that the most decorated career military man alive ret. Colonel David Hackworth doesnt have too high of an opinion of gen. wesly clark . And thats good enough for me. vote Bush in 04 and quit being a bunch of REMF’s . If people would get their balls back and realize we just cant jump out of iraq, this wouldnt even be an issue. Yes we have lost 300+ people since the war started but we lost soldiers in iraq how many innocents did we lose in 24 hours sept. 11 at the towers. C’mon people get your heads out of your asses.

Posted by: john at October 30, 2003 02:47 PM

When my father left six kids behind to serve in Vietnam George Bush was awol in the National Guard. Clark was over there getting wounded in service to his country. I know you guys are Republicans and it is hard to take that there is finally someone who can defeat your candidate. But ask yourself if the men who serve in the millitary are better off now under Bush. Some aren’t getting medical care. He is threatening their veteran’s benefits. He thinks supporting our troops after they are done fighting is a big waste of money.

It is so hard for me to understand what people like about President Bush. He lied to get us into the Iraq war. He does not care about all the men who are over there getting killed — every day — in Iraq. He’s got his own agenda, only he and God know what it is. He is so very willing to lie and get people killed in order to achieve it.

I hope that Wes Clark wins. So I can feel proud to be an American again. I don’t care if he is Democrat, Republican, Independent, white, black, or purple. He cares about this country and he wants us to be successful, not lying scheming manipulators like Bush.

I’ll pray for all you folks. I just can’t understand why it is so hard for you to see through the lies Bush keeps generating to fool you.

Posted by: TLD at October 31, 2003 11:40 AM

TLD, you better do a little more reasearch on your star candidate clark when you say bush doesnt care i dont know how many good military men i have heard say clark is a screwup and you want him in charge? i gotta wonder sometimes

Posted by: john at November 1, 2003 01:03 PM

What Hackworth says about Clark NOW after he did some research

http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Frontlines/Clark.htm

Reporting for Duty:
Wesley Clark
By David H. Hackworth

With Wesley Clark joining the Democratic presidential candidates, there are enough eager bodies pointed toward the White House to make up a rifle squad. This bunch of wannabes could make things increasingly hot for Dubya – as long as they don’t blow each other away with friendly fire.

General Wesley Clark for President of the USA

Since Clark tossed his steel pot into the inferno, I’ve been constantly asked, “Hack, what do you think of the general?”

For the record, I never served with Clark. But after spending three hours interviewing the man for Maxim’s November issue, I’m impressed. He is insightful, he has his act together, he understands what makes national security tick – and he thinks on his feet somewhere around Mach 3. No big surprise, since he graduated first in his class from West Point, which puts him in the super-smart set with Robert E. Lee, Douglas MacArthur and Maxwell Taylor. TOP

Clark was so brilliant, he was whisked off to Oxford as a Rhodes scholar and didn’t get his boots into the Vietnam mud until well after his 1966 West Point class came close to achieving the academy record for the most Purple Hearts in any one war. When he finally got there, he took over a 1st Infantry Division rifle company and was badly wounded.

Lt. Gen. James Hollingsworth, one of our Army’s most distinguished war heroes, says: “Clark took a burst of AK fire, but didn’t stop fighting. He stayed on the field till his mission was accomplished and his boys were safe. He was awarded the Silver Star and Purple Heart. And he earned ‘em.”

It took months for Clark to get back in shape. He had the perfect excuse, but he didn’t quit the Army to scale the corporate peaks as so many of our best and brightest did back then. Instead, he took a demoralized company of short-timers at Fort Knox who were suffering from a Vietnam hangover and made them the best on post – a major challenge in 1970 when our Army was teetering on the edge of anarchy. Then he stuck around to become one of the young Turks who forged the Green Machine into the magnificent sword that Norman Schwarzkopf swung so skillfully during Round One of the Gulf War.

I asked Clark why he didn’t turn in his bloody soldier suit for Armani and the big civvy dough that was definitely his for the asking. TOP

His response: “I wanted to serve my country.”

He says he now wants to lead America out of the darkness, shorten what promises to be the longest and nastiest war in our history and restore our eroding prestige around the world.

For sure, he’ll be strong on defense. But with his high moral standards and because he knows where and how the game’s played, there will probably be zero tolerance for either Pentagon porking or two-bit shenanigans.

No doubt he’s made his share of enemies. He doesn’t suffer fools easily and wouldn’t have allowed the dilettantes who convinced Dubya to do Iraq to even cut the White House lawn. So he should prepare for a fair amount of dart-throwing from detractors he’s ripped into during the past three decades. TOP

Hey, I am one of those: I took a swing at Clark during the Kosovo campaign when I thought he screwed up the operation, and I called him a “Perfumed Prince.” Only years later did I discover from his book and other research that I was wrong – the blame should have been worn by British timidity and William Cohen, U.S. SecDef at the time.

At the interview, Clark came along without the standard platoon of handlers and treated the little folks who poured the coffee and served the bacon and eggs with exactly the same respect and consideration he gave the biggies in the dining room like my colleague Larry King and Bob Tisch, the Regency Hotel’s owner. An appealing common touch.

But if he wins the election, don’t expect an Andrew Jackson field-soldier type. Clark’s an intellectual, and his military career is more like Ike’s – that of a staff guy and a brilliant high-level commander. Can he make tough decisions? Bet on it. Just like Ike did during his eight hard but prosperous years as president.

The address of David Hackworth’s home page is Hackworth.com. Sign in for the free weekly Defending America column at his Web site. Send mail to P.O. Box 11179, Greenwich, CT 06831. His newest book is “Steel My Soldiers’ Hearts.”

© 2003 David H. Hackworth.

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